With all due respect, renown/infamy data are not the only indicators of whether someone has been rank farming. I don't think anyone is suggesting using only this kind of data to establish a burden a truth. Usually, people look for correlation and indicators in multiple data sets before drawing conclusions.
Originally Posted by Sapience
I take great offence to condescending tone regarding "players 'simple' version of how to do things". Tarring us all with the same brush, making it look as though we are making facile suggestions, then putting them down as "terrible policy", is playground politics at its worst and the educated among us see right through it.
I think all you are doing is grandstanding.
Let me set out a scenario for you. Several players report an individual, let's call him PlayerA, for rank farming. They present multiple screenshots of PlayerA killing a set of 10 unranked reavers over and over again. One player even provides a 15min video of this taking place which includes PlayerA admitting to his actions in [OOC], then claiming that nothing will be done about it so it must be acceptable behavior, hence the protestations of the community are unfounded. Indeed it can be seen from the "data", that the number of kills that PlayerA has on reavers compared to other classes, is disproportionately high when compared to the normal distribution shown by the wider community. The location ID's of the majority of his kill events are all practically in the same place and the fine scale renown gain over time is rhythmic, like a heartbeat. However, the dailiy total renown gain of PlayerA, compared to some of the top (or full-time) PvPers show that PlayerA's gains were "middle of the road".
Would there be any action taken against PlayerA? Or because one particular piece of data does not support the undeniable fact that this player has rank farmed, could no action be taken? Based on the feedback we have received in this long debate, the community has been made to believe the latter is the case. I doubt that this is your intention, but the line you have chosen to pursue can only lead me and others to believe this.
Now that is beside the point; here is the real issue. People don't want to you to come up with some infallible automated protocol that fishes out rank farmers. Of course we understand that that is practically impossible. We want you, or somebody, to make a statement whereby players can categorically know what the consequences of rank farming will be IF a burden of truth IS established. There needs to be a deterrent.
Too many times we see Turbine turning a blind-eye to morally questionable, potentially game-breaking, behavior. Not only with rank-farming, but the whole school exploiting, or the flight exploiting or whatever. I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with players who participate in things like this where the go to line is always, "Turbine doesn't do anything about it so it must be fine". Furthermore, they think that because others are doing it, the MUST do it too in order to "keep up". Inaction has led to toxicity becoming more and more the norm on every single server.
I'm not asking for Turbine to become a kind of cyber police force, just make it clear that if you do bad stuff, it gets reported and there is enough proof, there will be consequences. Even retrospectively, even if you buy and spend 10k TP's a month, it shouldn't matter. People must take responsibility for their choices.
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