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Thread: The New 1v1er's

  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Shau'nac View Post
    Tar is only a one to one and a half minute CD. LMs (freeps in general, for the most part) are pretty OP right now, that they decided to use tar is lolworthy.

    I believe that's Atboth.
    Hmmm interesting, someone told me before it was 5 minutes, oh well. I remember however the good LMs never used tar much. Thx tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shau'nac View Post
    Tar is only a one to one and a half minute CD. LMs (freeps in general, for the most part) are pretty OP right now, that they decided to use tar is lolworthy.

    I believe that's Atboth.
    Yeah considering all an LM has to do now a days is spam waterlore to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravyrn View Post
    Yeah considering all an LM has to do now a days is spam waterlore to win.
    If you have to spam waterlore, or use tar, or ents in a 1v1, you're doing something wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blakacdvl View Post
    If you have to spam waterlore, or use tar, or ents in a 1v1, you're doing something wrong.
    I've only been playing my lm all serious like for about 2 days but I like to think I'm a halfway decent player. I was 1v1ing the mighty Conjmeplease yesterday and he beat me just about every time and I used all of those things you said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usernamealreadyinuse View Post
    I've only been playing my lm all serious like for about 2 days but I like to think I'm a halfway decent player. I was 1v1ing the mighty Conjmeplease yesterday and he beat me just about every time and I used all of those things you said.
    All you have to do is whisper sweet Aussie-accented-nothings in Vent and he'll put his back to you for an easy "kill."

  6. #56
    LMs HAVE to use waterlore to some extent to win against reavers (that in combination with fire lore)... because, honestly, a good reaver is gonna cut right through an lm's morale in a few seconds by using common damage -- sundering blow + impale + dev strike = probably up to 7k morale gone instantly.

  7. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Bond007 View Post
    LMs HAVE to use waterlore to some extent to win against reavers (that in combination with fire lore)... because, honestly, a good reaver is gonna cut right through an lm's morale in a few seconds by using common damage -- sundering blow + impale + dev strike = probably up to 7k morale gone instantly.
    Yup, very clever deducing that Swift. I used to have a couple reavers spec common damage against my guard sometimes to throw me on off when I would use my fire spec gear from the 3 man back in SoM, but I caught on to it pretty quick.

    Thing is, not every reaver is going to run around just using common damage for the means of fighting a LM that uses waterlore. Maybe if the LM didn't use waterlore, the reaver wouldn't need to spec for common damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bond007 View Post
    LMs HAVE to use waterlore to some extent to win against reavers (that in combination with fire lore)... because, honestly, a good reaver is gonna cut right through an lm's morale in a few seconds by using common damage -- sundering blow + impale + dev strike = probably up to 7k morale gone instantly.
    I'm not saying NOT to use waterlore. I'm saying there is no need to SPAM it. Realistically, there's no need for a liberal usage of it either. Nor is there need for tar, ents, or endless kiting.

  9. #59
    Some thoughts on LM 1v1s...

    My LM is not really well geared. I use 2nd Age LIs with t6-7 relics and my virtues are all between 8 and 12. While I do have full audacity, I have 0 golds (not even the easy-to-acquire Rohan rings).

    Water lore is necessary, but I find stacking itx3 is too OP. If you're competent with your debuffs and movement, 1-2 iterations of waterlore is more than enough. I find with 1-2 WL hots, I win 99% of fights and I win them rather easily.

    Is the skill OP? Probably yes. I was able to solo IP t2. Is it acceptable in 1v1s? I would say also yes. Reavers have Impale - which, when all the bleeds crit - is also quite OP. Should they not use that skill in the case it crits? WL is only a ten second cooldown. I think spamming it is poor taste, but also saying it is unacceptable in a 1v1 is kind of ludicrous. Without it, LMs would be the worst class in the Ettenmoors (at least when it comes to 1v1) by a wide margin. Yes, CC was improved somewhat with the reversion of the diminishing returns table, but with anti-cc measures (pots/resilience) the LM still needs more defence apart from CC and debuffs. Water Lore could be slightly nerfed (perhaps a 15s CD?) to repair the balance.

    In conclusion, I think it's fair to use water lore in a spar to a certain extent. If you're competent, tar is unncessary, but tar is also by no means OP.

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