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    Captains CANNOT dismount Warband leaders while other classes can

    I have spent a great deal of time soloing the new Warbands and have noticed that we are unable to dismount the warband leaders in the new Wildermore instance. I get an IMMUNE display when a crit is supposed to dismount while in riddermark stance.

    My experience has come from being able to solo every Warband including Shaguk and Conog in the new instance. These two mobs take an extended period of time to solo, ~20 minutes during which I am able to spam our two dismount skills over and over again while in Riddermark and yet they NEVER have been dismounted nor have I dismounted any other mounted warband leader in the new instance. I can however always dismount the adds.

    I do not know which classes all have a dismount skill but I have verified the Hunter class is able to dismount warband leaders so it is not an issue of the Warband leader being immune to dismounts but rather immune to captain dismounts.

    I have not checked as of yet if we can still dismount any of the old warband leaders but it is fairly evident that captains have received a nerf in this regard. It may be due to the fact that 1 of our dismount skills can be an ae and they felt it was too powerful if we could dismount bosses as well. This is just a guess of course but it does appear that this is an undocumented nerf to this class that I would like others to verify.

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    wide circles make me dizzy but we do a lot of damage still. if you rush in for a melee hit you run the risk of a major hit and you get dismounted...just hit hit last stand and repeat...mundane 20 min solo is not uncommon!
    ps wth happened to my sig?

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    Odd. I run with a Heavy steed, so I haven't noticed any differences myself. But I know a bunch of other Cappies do use Lights, so maybe they can chime in. I'd think they would have mentioned it by now, though.

    Initial thought: Are you in a group when you see this happen? Could be that Stun Immunity (which could be triggered by LMs applying their mounted stun, for instances) also affects Dismounts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by furtim View Post
    Odd. I run with a Heavy steed, so I haven't noticed any differences myself. But I know a bunch of other Cappies do use Lights, so maybe they can chime in. I'd think they would have mentioned it by now, though.

    Initial thought: Are you in a group when you see this happen? Could be that Stun Immunity (which could be triggered by LMs applying their mounted stun, for instances) also affects Dismounts?
    My post is in regards to a light steed build so I'm not sure if there is any difference between different steed types as I haven't played around much with the medium and heavy builds yet. Do they even have a dismount ability? If so can you confirm that you have dismounted a warband leader with your skills and it wasn't someone else around you?

    I am not in a group when this happens so it has nothing to do with stuns as I have none. I do have slows but they are not immune to these as they are necessary to kite Conog successful as he dismounts you once in melee range. I have tested it dozens of different times as I started to grow suspicious that the leaders wouldn't dismount. It became apparent to me that regardless of how many times I spam dismount skills, up to several hundred per encounter during testing, did I not once dismount a warband leader. I have tested this for about a week now and seeing as how the patch is only about two weeks old this nerf could have easily been overlooked as most people do not solo the tougher warbands and thus you wouldn't have the right situation to even know that you aren't the one dismounting as a captain.

    I can call over a hunter friend to attack him at anypoint during a kite and the warband leader is dismounted within a minute or two. The riddermark skill tree for a light steed gives 25% to dismount on crit(after the patches nerf). I have 5% legacy traited for that skill plus another 5% for the standard dismount. My crit % is ~30-35% for these skills. I have no problem dismounting all adds to a warband encounter but cannot dismount the leader at all even if I sit there kiting him for over 20 minutes trying to do so and my stats would indicate I should do so once every 10 attacks or so. If leaders have a built in resistance to being dismounted over others it does not explain the lack of being able to dismount at all after literally hundreds of test attacks while I can call over a hunter at any point of a kite and have him dismount the leader within a minute or two.

    I am still able to kill all warbands so this isn't a post about not being powerful enough, as we clearly are even after the patch but rather about how captains may have had a stealth nerf that hasn't been acknowledged as of yet.
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    I have the same impression. Light steed cappy also and have yet to get a dismount on Voz, Shaggy or Conog. I've tried all these WB's multiple times without getting a dismount. I'm glad you brought this up as I was wondering to myself if something was wrong. I have also gotten all the adds dismounted while the leader stays mounted.

    I have seen these leaders dismounted, just by other classes.

    I will try again tonight, including Bug and Val to see if is an across the board issue or just isolated to the new regions WB's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gungus_coyote View Post
    I have the same impression. Light steed cappy also and have yet to get a dismount on Voz, Shaggy or Conog. I've tried all these WB's multiple times without getting a dismount. I'm glad you brought this up as I was wondering to myself if something was wrong. I have also gotten all the adds dismounted while the leader stays mounted.

    I have seen these leaders dismounted, just by other classes.

    I will try again tonight, including Bug and Val to see if is an across the board issue or just isolated to the new regions WB's.
    Glad I'm not the only one who was thinking this. Let me know what you find out, I am about to do warbands again today and will test again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gungus_coyote View Post
    I have seen these leaders dismounted, just by other classes.
    Only some classes can do this, they're not all created equally.

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    I think one of the biggest things here is a change to the Yellow line capstone on a light steed.

    It went from 50% dismount chance on a Critical to a 25% dismount chance. That's huge, because your effective chance to dismount (assuming maxed crit) is now around 10% - so there really needs to be a second or third player helping with the dismounting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    I think one of the biggest things here is a change to the Yellow line capstone on a light steed.

    It went from 50% dismount chance on a Critical to a 25% dismount chance. That's huge, because your effective chance to dismount (assuming maxed crit) is now around 10% - so there really needs to be a second or third player helping with the dismounting.
    The change to 25% from 50% is big but even at a 10% overall dismount chance per attack you would on average dismount once every minute or less as our dismount skills are on fairly short cool downs plus one is an ae that hits 6 targets. There is no reason why a second or third player needs to be around to dismount when our skills are on such short cool downs as this nerf really isn't that big if we can still dismount 1 out of every 10 attacks and can do ~20 attacks that can dismount per minute.

    I do see this 10% as being approximately correct on all warband adds but again I have casted these on the same bosses during the same kiting sequence and they never dismount unless I have a hunter friend come over and do it. So it isn't really an issue of needing more people to help dismount but rather needing others to dismount at all even though we have a dismount skill.
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    A few of the new warbands seem immune to dismounts. I certainly haven't been able to dismount a few of them as a Champion on a light steed. I *have* seen the new ones dismounted, but I don't know which class did it. Rest assured, Captains are not alone. And it may be a bug that another class was able.
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    Quote Originally Posted by furtim View Post
    Initial thought: Are you in a group when you see this happen? Could be that Stun Immunity (which could be triggered by LMs applying their mounted stun, for instances) also affects Dismounts?
    I don't know about LM skills specifically, but at least some skill/effect preventing dismounts sounds like a plausible theory to me. I can't recall issues dismounting other warbands, but I had never seen Voz dismounted until today and thought he was in fact immune to dismount until I dismounted him today. I've only gone through wildermore and done the warbands on my warden, and am not sure what classes may have been in on the kills on voz, but I think I may have been the only one there when I killed him today.

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    At this point, the dismounting seems weird and inconsistent enough that I think it should get /bugged. Either because they're not supposed to be immune and are to us or (more likely?) they're supposed to be immune to everyone but aren't immune to Hunters for some reason.
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    I agree with Furtim, that does sound like a bug.

    Are there mechanics with the bosses where they can't be dismounted until the adds are down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeldarb420 View Post
    wide circles make me dizzy but we do a lot of damage still. if you rush in for a melee hit you run the risk of a major hit and you get dismounted...just hit hit last stand and repeat...mundane 20 min solo is not uncommon!
    ps wth happened to my sig?
    I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with this statement and how it relates to my post. Your sig is probably experiencing the same problems as mine... works sometimes doesn't work others. The forums appear really slow today so could be related.

 

 

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