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    They guy who started this thread said AND I QUOTE "Can we see a bit more skin...ok a lot more skin."
    Which roughly translates to "I want chain mail Bikinis"

    I`m sorry but this guy is OBVIOUSLY asking for clothing in LOTRO that appeals to a 30 year old as he said...but a PERVERTED 30 year old...
    Turbine is trying to keep this game kin friendly without hussys running about... the point is he`s a DIFFERENT gender asking for "a lot more skin" so I think we know his intentions and also if it WOULDN`T appeal to him mother then that`s a bad sign...

    EmyrSelyf thank you for standing up and assuming the best. Some peoples views can be this way but this guy and what he means is pretty clear...thank you for assuming the best of him...I mean in NO way to offend you EmyrSelyf but to be blunt this guys post is offensive...It`s treating Women like objects and not people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReadStar View Post
    It`s treating Women like objects and not people...
    i agreed with what you said about the guy intention..but i need to stress this out...this is old first wave feminism..we are way past that ...cause in this era of postmodernity the Object dominates ..aside that subject and object pure dichotomy is out of date ...sorry for my useless derail , had no class today , had to let it out someway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReadStar View Post
    They guy who started this thread said AND I QUOTE "Can we see a bit more skin...ok a lot more skin."
    Which roughly translates to "I want chain mail Bikinis"

    I`m sorry but this guy is OBVIOUSLY asking for clothing in LOTRO that appeals to a 30 year old as he said...but a PERVERTED 30 year old...
    Turbine is trying to keep this game kin friendly without hussys running about... the point is he`s a DIFFERENT gender asking for "a lot more skin" so I think we know his intentions and also if it WOULDN`T appeal to him mother then that`s a bad sign...

    EmyrSelyf thank you for standing up and assuming the best. Some peoples views can be this way but this guy and what he means is pretty clear...thank you for assuming the best of him...I mean in NO way to offend you EmyrSelyf but to be blunt this guys post is offensive...It`s treating Women like objects and not people...
    Oh, for crying out loud. You cannot be serious. Just where did the OP argue for all women to be forced to wear chain-mail bikinis? He argued for a choice to be presented that women can choose to buy, or choose to not buy. *sigh*
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReadStar View Post
    They guy who started this thread said AND I QUOTE "Can we see a bit more skin...ok a lot more skin."
    Which roughly translates to "I want chain mail Bikinis"
    Instead of "translating" what people say, how about we respond to what they actually say?

    I`m sorry but this guy is OBVIOUSLY asking for clothing in LOTRO that appeals to a 30 year old as he said...but a PERVERTED 30 year old...
    Oh nevermind about that, you're here to call people perverts and get the thread locked. Super cool dude!

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    This video may be a bit informative on the subject (NSFW due to some language):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dworin View Post
    And yet skimpier outfits exist on NPC's. So folks need to make up their minds, because if skimpier outfits on NPC's do not break the lore, then skimpier outfits on player characters do not break the lore. If skimpier outfits on player characters does break the lore, then skimpier outfits on NPC's also break the lore. Yet folks will make excuses for the NPC's that they will not make for player characters. That's what I find perplexing. It's inconsistent, at a minimum.
    Who says that they belong in the first place? What the female brigands wear is silly - anything with a bare midriff is given the setting, it's a modern 'fantasy' look rather than anything even remotely genuine. Certainly not something that needs to appear on player-characters as well just because a few NPCs have it. But as a rule of thumb, if the bad guys don't dress like the civilised folks then it's hardly to be wondered at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManaBone View Post
    It has to do with issues brought up in other posts, not just just the first one.
    It's an irrelevance, wherever you got it from.

    So when I said "practical light clothing" you thought of Elves dancing in their underwear?
    Not that bit specifically but if you want something skimpier than the default clothing then yes, we're talking underwear.

    I'm glad that Turbine has taken the time to design tons of outfits. This means that we do not have to choose between extremes in which everyone is covered up like a ninja or wearing a thong. They can add things in the sensible middle ground without it causing some bizarre slippery slope where the designers are possessed by a computer ghost that forces them to also add chainmail bikinis and plate mini skirts.
    The sensible middle ground isn't the OP's 'a lot more skin'.

    As for "how about we respond to what they actually say?", when the OP asks for 'a lot more skin' people have simply taken that as face value because he did say "a lot". Not just a bit. And that does imply something out of place, the sort of thing of which chainmail bikinis etc. are merely the most extreme example. Given that this is LOTRO we're talking about, the bounds on what's sensible are a lot tighter than they usually are because it's not a generic fantasy full of people in outlandish costumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReadStar View Post
    They guy who started this thread said AND I QUOTE "Can we see a bit more skin...ok a lot more skin."
    Which roughly translates to "I want chain mail Bikinis"

    I`m sorry but this guy is OBVIOUSLY asking for clothing in LOTRO that appeals to a 30 year old as he said...but a PERVERTED 30 year old...
    Turbine is trying to keep this game kin friendly without hussys running about... the point is he`s a DIFFERENT gender asking for "a lot more skin" so I think we know his intentions and also if it WOULDN`T appeal to him mother then that`s a bad sign...

    EmyrSelyf thank you for standing up and assuming the best. Some peoples views can be this way but this guy and what he means is pretty clear...thank you for assuming the best of him...I mean in NO way to offend you EmyrSelyf but to be blunt this guys post is offensive...It`s treating Women like objects and not people...
    While i'm not for the skimpy outfits, that is one big and prejudiced assertion.
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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Whart View Post
    Ceremonial dress, Elf-queen dress, elegant formal dress, anniversary dress (called revelers something or other), the summer festival dress, and many others, all have what you might consider a 'proper' neckline. Elf-queen probably gets closest to the look in the picture you posted.
    I'll keep those in mind As unfortunately I lost my first account (missed the Codemasters --> Turbine transfer) I have to create and level my characters again (mostly an elven huntress and a human champion); but I think I remember having some of those for Rowy, first incarnation... well, I'll get there in time. And as a girl of course I love clothes shopping - oh, all those joys ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Whart View Post
    What I'm concerned about preserving is a feeling of Middle-earth as Tolkien envisioned it, which is why I play this game. I have a sexy warrior in Guild Wars clad in a metal bikini. I'm a 43-yr-old mom, and I have to admit I like imagining I look like her . But that's not what I want to see here--for me personally, my time in this game is about giving life to Tolkien's amazing female characters, whether described as wearing gowns or armour, always beautiful and strong, not 'sexy' in modern pop culture terms. As long as we stay away from items that would never under any circumstances would have been worn in Tolkien's Middle-earth, I see room for lots of different ideas.
    Agreed here too - including the sexy warrior in the metal bikini (although it still makes me flinch everytime someone points something sharp and pointy at her) - but, heck... she just looks good. In Guild wars. Not in LoTRO.
    My still yet to be re-created champion will wear nice, full, heavy armour.

    Quote Originally Posted by ManaBone View Post
    If we're gonna talk realism, I imagine that if my captain tried to swim somewhere she could wear the default clothing all characters have, sink to the bottom and drown trying to wear a heavy cloth outfit that is afraid of showing too much neck, or die on the way to go swimming because of her nonsensical heavy armor design. Not even from an orc attack or anything, I think tripping on a rock while wearing the chestplate of the gallant commander could be fatal.
    Alright - that last mental image actually made me laugh out loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Whart View Post
    It's possible that not everyone thinks that the brigand outfits are lore appropriate either. But in terms of the larger question of boundaries between npc and player wear, I think it depends on how the rules are applied. The 'skimpy' outfits on npcs in the game are only seen on human or ancient evil npcs, never on elves, dwarves, or hobbits. While I can see a human character playing someone from an outcast group or primitive culture and wearing the npc clothing items to fit in with that group, I can't see any way that you could justify an elf wearing such things in a lore-appropriate way, can you? Brigands or Dunlendings wearing revealing rags/skins are an idea that most people could see as reasonable in this world. But imagine that outfit on a dwarf that isn't even supposed to reveal gender if female. Isn't it possible that outfits that are lore-appropriate for SOME npcs are lore-appropriate for SOME player characters but not others, and that the reverse would be true as well (I would be unpleasantly surprised to see a Dunlending walking around in an elven gown for example)?
    That's why a variety is needed, according to the different characters.

    Still referring to my old characters, lost in some database nirvana... my elven huntress, when in town, preferred elegant, feminine elven dresses. Like the ones mentioned above.
    My champion, on the other hand, was human and a bit on the rough side, especially as she grew up in the more shady parts of town - so what I'd love most for her as town clothes would be pants (she just doesn't feel comfy in a skirt) together with a nice blouse or tunic (nothing indecent, cause that wouldn't fit into the surrounding) that shows that she's still a woman.

    And now imagine someone wanting to RP a human girl that works as... mmmhm... let's say a tavern maid? Maybe not at the Prancing Pony, but in one of the shadier sides of town? Or a beggar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whart View Post
    I am one of those who prefers not to wear a dress into battle (or while farming, fishing, etc.), so I can't really say much on that front. I'm a big fan of wearing clothing that is appropriate to one's current activity.
    /signed


    Quote Originally Posted by ReadStar View Post
    It`s treating Women like objects and not people...
    Um, apart from the fact that you're just making things up - I can't read that into the OPs words... As said before, I'm a woman too... so do you think that when I'm wearing something that shows... mmmhm, my legs or my bare shoulder or - every higher being beware - even some cleavage I'm making myself into an object? That's - a daring statement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    Who says that they belong in the first place? What the female brigands wear is silly - anything with a bare midriff is given the setting, it's a modern 'fantasy' look rather than anything even remotely genuine. Certainly not something that needs to appear on player-characters as well just because a few NPCs have it. But as a rule of thumb, if the bad guys don't dress like the civilised folks then it's hardly to be wondered at.
    Of course! After all, they are brigands, and there is no chance they would steal the dresses of travelers and wear them instead.

    Seriously, it does not matter. I doubt seriously that Turbine is going to change the wardrobe you ladies get to choose from except for some minor style changes. You'll still get to keep your ankles covered and it's very unlikely you'll have to scold any of the younger ladies for showing their ankles, either. And there are scarves and shawls to wear to cover up your neckline. You're safe, so be happy.

    For folks who do want something different, there are other games out there. The Ladies League is firmly in control here. Every time this subject comes up I am reminded of that scene from the old movie *Stagecoach*, where Dallas is escorted out of town by the Ladies League.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReadStar View Post
    They guy who started this thread said AND I QUOTE "Can we see a bit more skin...ok a lot more skin."
    Which roughly translates to "I want chain mail Bikinis"

    I`m sorry but this guy is OBVIOUSLY asking for clothing in LOTRO that appeals to a 30 year old as he said...but a PERVERTED 30 year old...
    Turbine is trying to keep this game kin friendly without hussys running about... the point is he`s a DIFFERENT gender asking for "a lot more skin" so I think we know his intentions and also if it WOULDN`T appeal to him mother then that`s a bad sign...

    EmyrSelyf thank you for standing up and assuming the best. Some peoples views can be this way but this guy and what he means is pretty clear...thank you for assuming the best of him...I mean in NO way to offend you EmyrSelyf but to be blunt this guys post is offensive...It`s treating Women like objects and not people...
    That is just mean. Even though I do not agree with the OP's suggestion I did not read it as "treating women like objects". And insulting him is just wrong.


    Edit: I went back and read the OP's exact words, and I don't see anything perverted in his post. I don't agree with it, but it's not offensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Al-Thor View Post
    Can we lower the market appeal to someone in their 30's not 80 pls? Love the look of my grey robe except for the turtle neck. Can we see a bit more skin...ok a lot more skin. Your dresses are HOT but these new items are so prude. Would like to buy more cosmetics but the rest would appeal to my mother more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    It's an irrelevance, wherever you got it from.
    No issue with stories of elves dancing in their underwear in WOW then?

    Not that bit specifically but if you want something skimpier than the default clothing then yes, we're talking underwear.
    Depends, underwear can actually be quite covering in colder climates. However, the original poster wasn't complaining about the default clothing, he was complaining about the cosmetic outfits in Lalia's market, which have a lot more room for adjustments before they reach skimpy underwear levels.

    The sensible middle ground isn't the OP's 'a lot more skin'.

    As for "how about we respond to what they actually say?", when the OP asks for 'a lot more skin' people have simply taken that as face value because he did say "a lot". Not just a bit. And that does imply something out of place, the sort of thing of which chainmail bikinis etc. are merely the most extreme example. Given that this is LOTRO we're talking about, the bounds on what's sensible are a lot tighter than they usually are because it's not a generic fantasy full of people in outlandish costumes.
    You're taking a big jump with that implication, but anyway, I'm less interested in cosmetic changes now than I am with people throwing around terms like pervert.

    In games that DO have outlandish costumes to say that the players who like them are perverts has many disturbing implications too. Wearing a skimpy outfit to fight magical monsters is absurd, but do remember that in real life people wear skimpy outfits like that in more appropriate settings. Some cosplayers wear exact replicas of character outfits, even.

    Are they perverts? Is it ok to dress like that hanging out at comic con, but it's perverted to dress an avatar like that and dance on a virtual mail box?

    Is it perverted for virtual people to dance in their underwear, but totally cool for a woman at the beach in a more revealing bikini to dance?

    Some pretty terrible things have been done in the real world to people who dressed in revealing clothes, and if someone thinks virtual underwear is so perverted, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are totally fine with real women in their underwear, or less.

    It certainly ruins a serious fantasy setting and we don't need that silliness in lotro, but when people use words like pervert they're usually not complaining about scantily clad women ruining the atmosphere of their orc hunt. They just have a problem with scantily clad women, it doesn't matter if they're at the beach, dancing in a club, or larping in the woods and pretending to hunt orcs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    We're not playing peasants, are we? The point was a simple one: no plunging necklines or showing a lot of skin, because people wouldn't. And the OP did ask for 'a lot more skin'. Well sorry, no. What best fits the setting is something attractive but at least halfway believable, semi-realistic rather than the usual outright fantasy outfits.

    If we want to use the reference time period as a realistic frame for the clothes as some have done, it is a fact that the vast majority of the people in the reference time period WERE peasants. Over 90% were rural. They took their animals in their houses at night so they wouldn't get stolen. I'm sure that made getting milk easier in the morning.

    The op did not ask for a lot more skin. The op asked for a lot more than a turtle neck. Period. If they had wanted more skin, would they have bought, and liked, an ankle length robe? I happen to be a glass is half full type of person, but don't let fear get in the way of reason.

    I don't think the op would disagree with your last sentence and neither do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmyrSelyf View Post
    If we want to use the reference time period as a realistic frame for the clothes as some have done, it is a fact that the vast majority of the people in the reference time period WERE peasants.

    Be that as it may, we aren't playing them! Highly-trained professional warriors aren't peasants, neither are intellectual types like loremasters.

    The op did not ask for a lot more skin.

    The OP damn well did, 'a lot more skin' is a direct quote. Not a bit, a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManaBone View Post
    No issue with stories of elves dancing in their underwear in WOW then?
    It's entirely relevant if you want skimpier outfits AND we know how some players act when given the least encouragement.

    Depends, underwear can actually be quite covering in colder climates. However, the original poster wasn't complaining about the default clothing
    He wasn't, but you were.

    You're taking a big jump with that implication, but anyway, I'm less interested in cosmetic changes now than I am with people throwing around terms like pervert.
    What's that got to do with me? And it wasn't 'people' in general saying that, it was one person. Don't try to make a big thing out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dworin View Post
    Of course! After all, they are brigands, and there is no chance they would steal the dresses of travelers and wear them instead.

    Seriously, it does not matter. I doubt seriously that Turbine is going to change the wardrobe you ladies get to choose from except for some minor style changes. You'll still get to keep your ankles covered and it's very unlikely you'll have to scold any of the younger ladies for showing their ankles, either. And there are scarves and shawls to wear to cover up your neckline. You're safe, so be happy.

    For folks who do want something different, there are other games out there. The Ladies League is firmly in control here. Every time this subject comes up I am reminded of that scene from the old movie *Stagecoach*, where Dallas is escorted out of town by the Ladies League.
    I think that's taking things to an unnecessary extreme. I haven't seen anything in this thread that says ankles are somehow offensive. It's just as bad to project metal bikinis onto the OP as it is to project nun habits onto those who prefer the clothing that Tolkien describes.

    This isn't about morality, it's about the degree of immersion that people prefer. Every player is going to have a different opinion on that, and that opinion neither makes one a pervert, nor a prude, just a player with his/her own image of Tolkien's world and what he/she wants to see when playing a game based on that world.

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    I think that's taking things to an unnecessary extreme. I haven't seen anything in this thread that says ankles are somehow offensive. It's just as bad to project metal bikinis onto the OP as it is to project nun habits onto those who prefer the clothing that Tolkien describes.

    This isn't about morality, it's about the degree of immersion that people prefer. Every player is going to have a different opinion on that, and that opinion neither makes one a pervert, nor a prude, just a player with his/her own image of Tolkien's world and what he/she wants to see when playing a game based on that world.
    Unnecessary extreme? Not really, more like a logical conclusion. Ankles are not shown now. If a resounding "NO" comes to showing more skin, then ankles are a "NO".

    I do not mind arguing for those who desire more variety in their wardrobe choices, but all in all, I don't particularly care. There is one player who has a battle outfit for fighting, and when we go to dances she dresses to the nines as best she can, given the limitations of the present selections. Other players can wear burlap or burquas and it's all the same to me. But it's my opinion that more choice is better than less.

    When it comes right down to it, we'll take what Turbine gives us and if it's unacceptable, go elsewhere. I can play Rift if I want to see exotic looking female avatars. For the most part here it's fashion you can imagine your grandmother in. A lot of folks like it that way. *shrug*

    *edit* I would also point out that the OP did not mention chainmail bikinis; that was folks in opposition to his original post. I did not mention nun's habits, either. Just saying.....
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    Okay what I said with my last post was a bit mean and uncalled for...I'm sorry for that but this guy DOES seem a lot like a pervert...sorry...
    This guy asked for "a lot more skin" so that`s basicly a pervert thing...sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReadStar View Post
    Okay what I said with my last post was a bit mean and uncalled for...I'm sorry for that but this guy DOES seem a lot like a pervert...sorry...
    This guy asked for "a lot more skin" so that`s basicly a pervert thing...sorry
    Girls on the beach. Some in one piece bathing suits, others in bikinis. The guys who prefer the girls wearing the bikinis are perverts? It's a *pervert thing*?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    And it wasn't 'people' in general saying that, it was one person. Don't try to make a big thing out of it.
    How many people need to be offensive in a thread before I have permission from you to reply to it? Is it a flat number or like a certain % of the total number of people posting in the thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReadStar View Post
    Okay what I said with my last post was a bit mean and uncalled for...I'm sorry for that but this guy DOES seem a lot like a pervert...sorry...
    This guy asked for "a lot more skin" so that`s basicly a pervert thing...sorry
    Uh, where are you from? The way you are phrasing your objection is like, one of the rudest ways possible for people in a lot of English speaking locations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManaBone View Post
    How many people need to be offensive in a thread before I have permission from you to reply to it? Is it a flat number or like a certain % of the total number of people posting in the thread?
    Don't try to take what that one guy says and try to say that's what 'people' are saying. 'People' are saying something else, the thread isn't about that one guy and his extreme view. In particular, why reply to my post and then start going on about what he said? I don't agree with him at all, what he's saying is way over the top.

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    I think the market is fine and the cosmetics are ok.

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    As I have said...my other post was totally uncalled for and we do not need my "translating".
    On the same note we also do not need "more Skin". as I said and quoted (Not translated ;3) he said "can we see a bit more skin...ok a lot more skin" which only have a few meanings... and many of you may be fine with the changes he asked for but others are not... mainly I beleave Tokien would not... others find it offensive so I think it shouldn`t be an option...
    I think lalia`s market is fine as it is...I`m not saying DO NOT UPDATE it...just saying what he is asking for is offensive to me and quite a few others...

    As I had said earlier I find it treating Women like objects and not people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManaBone View Post
    How many people need to be offensive in a thread before I have permission from you to reply to it? Is it a flat number or like a certain % of the total number of people posting in the thread?



    Uh, where are you from? The way you are phrasing your objection is like, one of the rudest ways possible for people in a lot of English speaking locations.
    I do agree that was very rude of me...and I did apologize for it. also keep in mind asking for "a lot more skin" is also pretty rude

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    *facepalm* Never again. I told myself last time I was not gonna get involved in one of *these* threads and here I went and ignored my own better judgment. But never again.
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