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    A Question of Morality

    If, in the course of one night in the Moors, a player earns 6k commies on freep side, stops fighting at precisely this point, waits five minutes, then logs creep to pick up a rank of audacity:

    For which side did this, clearly messed-up-in-the-head player, fight?
    [b]Lythiea of Dwarrowdelf[/b], Member of [url=http://dd-asylum.info][b]Asylum[/b][/url] - R8 85 RK
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    No Idea Lyth...howerver I would say they were playing for their side. Until turbine gets rid of the com cap and makes it per toon this is going to happen. It did with DP it does with coms.. To be honest as coms are supposed to be rewarded for you helping out the side you are on I have always felt it should def be restricted to a per toon thing.

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    Cool

    I remember of a group that would flip the map on the opposite side on purpose, to then flip toons and re-cap everything. Rinse and repeat. Good way to farm deeds and comms.






    I think we are passed the stage of questioning morality in the moors. Short answer is only a few of us still have it. The rest will do as they please.






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    Last edited by mgm1o1; May 20 2013 at 09:52 AM.

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    I'm thinking of getting the three month sub and multiboxing a load of freevers so I can farm r13. I've got my rig set up for the occasion and everything.


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    Should be hanged at OC

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    Quote Originally Posted by dagneyandleo View Post
    If, in the course of one night in the Moors, a player earns 6k commies on freep side, stops fighting at precisely this point, waits five minutes, then logs creep to pick up a rank of audacity:

    For which side did this, clearly messed-up-in-the-head player, fight?
    Which side did they play for? Their own side, as does everyone who plays mmo's. Everyone has their own agenda in pvp, here are a few I have noticed:

    Topping leaderboards
    Community building
    Increasing the perceived power of a guild
    Personal kick-butt-ness
    Overall good, fair, quality pvp
    Faction pride (freep or creep)
    For funz/personal growth
    Trolling

    With the exception of trolling (though that is also debatable), all of these are perfectly good reasons to pvp.

    As you can see, this list is quite long, and any given player may be engaged in pvp for any or several of the above mentioned reasons. Based on your post Lyth, it looks like you play for community building, overall quality pvp, and perhaps a little faction pride (freeps). So, your morality is relative to your reasons to pvp.

    Me personally, I tend to lean toward overall quality pvp and fun/personal growth.

    As we well know, there are a number of players who lean towards Trolling, topping leaderboards, general fun, and personal-kick-butt-ness. If someone decides to leave freepside to spend their comms on creep audacity, so what? They are probably playing to just improve their toons (plural), and they are not legally bound to remain as freeps.

    The one exception to this is if you are part of a kin function that is specifically geared towards freepside pvp. Then, depending on the nature/policies of the kin, it may not be ok to flip to spend comms. However, that is a violation of kin morality, not pvp morality.

    Have a good day all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revanrecast View Post
    Which side did they play for? Their own side, as does everyone who plays mmo's. Everyone has their own agenda in pvp, here are a few I have noticed:

    Topping leaderboards
    Community building
    Increasing the perceived power of a guild
    Personal kick-butt-ness
    Overall good, fair, quality pvp
    Faction pride (freep or creep)
    For funz/personal growth
    Trolling
    Wow, what an awesome way to sum up our PvP!

    Everyone has reasons behind what they do. It's hard to debate someones choice when you may play for a different reason.. For example: Someone who plays for team pride, wont understand why someone who plays for fun would flip sides to spend comms, thereby forsaking team pride. In the same manner someone like me who really just plays for fun and good/fair PvP, has a hard time relating to the choices of a player concerned only with topping leaderboads. It takes looking back at things without your 'playstyle goggles' to really be able to view these decisions, without judging them based on your 'playstyle rules'... <<Something that I think if we all did, would lead to a better server community.

    I know that doesn't make a whole lot of sense haha, but I think you guys see what I'm sayin' xD

    It's all about the way you look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agost View Post

    I know that doesn't make a whole lot of sense haha, but I think you guys see what I'm sayin' xD
    Nope..no idea.

    AINT NOBODY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriotp3a View Post
    Nope..no idea.

    AINT NOBODY.
    no qq or i gonna cj u harder!

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    Cant tell ya. I freep and creep on separate servers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patriotp3a View Post
    aint nobody.
    got time fo dat'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agost View Post
    It takes looking back at things without your 'playstyle goggles' to really be able to view these decisions, without judging them based on your 'playstyle rules'... <<Something that I think if we all did, would lead to a better server community.


    But seriously, I think that's another version of what I was trying to say. We all play our own way, and can't control how others play their way. So, just enjoy how they play as best as you can... Though there are a few exceptions, but many threads are devoted to that.

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    "The rest will do as they please."

    Here is a picture of me and my hot NPC gf lying on the beach, as I get ready to immerse myself in the Dwarrodelf forums.



    This is what I do when I'm not busy hanging froobs and croobs at Orc Camp. #nolife






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    Last edited by mgm1o1; May 19 2013 at 01:42 PM.

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    Aww yea Southsun! Free content updates ftw.

    (Hi Lyth!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgm1o1 View Post
    Here is a picture of me and my hot NPC gf lying on the beach, as I get ready to immerse myself in the Dwarrodelf forums.



    This is what I do when I'm not busy hanging froobs and croobs at Orc Camp. #nolife






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    I'm the Asura that took this pic... #ThunderboltzNeedzAtan

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    The timing of this thread is perfect.

    I signed onto my defiler on this server after a long absence and saw that I was only 8 map quests away from good TR completion. Since good Isen isn't that important, and I have the other 3 good maps, I'd really appreciate it if freeps could practice their very strong moral values and not interfere if they see a r4 defiler named Ijustpassedgas running around. I'm confident that the wonderful and dignified freeps on this server are not the type that would gank a lowly solo defiler who's only out to do pve in a pvp zone, right?

    Thanks guys!

    <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by elderlygamer View Post
    I'm confident that the wonderful and dignified freeps on this server are not the type that would gank a lowly solo defiler who's only out to do pve in a pvp zone, right?

    Thanks guys!

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    Oh no you didn't just go there :P

    When I was a wee spider I tried to complete pve quests and got ganked loads of times. Trying to do HH was a joke. But, when that happened, I would usually call it on ooc that someone was there. The hungry creeps then will probably chase off that freep (or kill him) and you can happily quest.

    Granted this is my opinion, but in a pvp zone, pvp > pve. So, though it is needed to get those maps, I would never prioritize it over the noble art of pvp.

    But then, I don't pvp in this game anymore so I'll stay out of it from here on.

    Happy hunting everyone.

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by Revanrecast View Post
    Oh no you didn't just go there :P

    When I was a wee spider I tried to complete pve quests and got ganked loads of times. Trying to do HH was a joke. But, when that happened, I would usually call it on ooc that someone was there. The hungry creeps then will probably chase off that freep (or kill him) and you can happily quest.

    Granted this is my opinion, but in a pvp zone, pvp > pve. So, though it is needed to get those maps, I would never prioritize it over the noble art of pvp.

    But then, I don't pvp in this game anymore so I'll stay out of it from here on.

    Happy hunting everyone.





    When I was a low rank wargling, while doing HH quests I got ganked once, by Viduo. I learned my lesson, Disappear failed to save me from Epic Conclusion.






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    On the topic... answer: we get so many commies we might as well put them somewhere. After I got my minnie-that-I-never-use to Audacity 13 I decided to log to my Rank 5 Reaver-that-I-don't-use and give him Audacity 12 so far... what am I supposed to do with them? I might actually try creepside again someday.

    And Revan, I ganked a Rank 0 BA trying to poison the Hoardale yesterday, and being the dwarf with the biggest heart in the moors, I felt bad when he was at a quarter health so I decided to let him go... A few moments later he jumped off the cliff and killed himself and I got the renown anyway... Moral of this story is: I am not sure but Thren spent the rest of the day trying to get into Grams so he could talk with your leaders there. I think there is room for more love in the Moors.

    Oh, and speaking of love, I was solo camping Grams yesterday and got called out and attacked by at least 7 creeps, including Globalwarming and Nibble. I negotiated with them for a while as I ran in the other direction, and then I decided to hit them with my shield over and over. I stunned many of them multiple times with the Shield Smash and Shield Bash and lasted well over 30 minutes before dying heroically with warg intestines in my beard.

    I revived and ran back and the entire group was still celebrating their historic victory over Threndinir, and Nibble and Globalwarming decided to spar together to recreate the great battle. Globalwarming eventually left Nibble with 200 morale and the group began to break up to go soil the stonework of Lugz. Threndinir seized the opportunity and ganked Nibble for some well earned renown! I laughed for 10 minutes straight and Threndinir considered logging over to creepside to apologize to Nibble. Moral of the story is: not sure but I like Nibble because he bounces alot!
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    Threndinir - Retired Old Dwarf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revanrecast View Post
    Oh no you didn't just go there :P
    Oh yes i did go there

    In all honesty I don't expect freeps to ignore *any* creeps, but I thought, given the title of the thread, that I'd try to worm my way into the hearts of the freeps by complimenting them on their high degree of morality in hope that they'd remember that post and leave me alone. lol

    it can't hurt to try!

    Anyway, it's nice to see people here handling this thread's discussion with maturity, and this time I'm not just blatantly sucking up.

    As for the warg intestines in the beard, butter and a fine-toothed comb work wonders.

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    Boltz/Zulu - I'll be back to GW2 in a bit. I'm flitting between three different towns with varying levels of computing capabilities this summer and I'm also flitting b/t LOTRO, GW2 and now WoW with Mimb. LOTROwise, I finished Wildermore and have very limited patience for PVMP. I like going out there healing on RK when I'm with a fellow and more creeps than freeps... But anyone who thinks that this game isn't seriously imbalanced in favor of freeps right now really should roll a low rank filer. The healing capability and variety isn't even remotely the same unless you stack like 5 of them in the same group. Which means that as soon as the rest of the freeps stop playing in Wildermore, I will cease to have even brief moments of enjoyment in PVMP. And there are no new instances and the Wildermore dailies take about 5 min to complete. Southsun looks like fun... And I still haven't played since the WvW update. I'll be back once I can get to a computer that runs the game.

    Revan- I probably qualify for all of those. But my highest motivation is not being bored and I find rez camps boring as all get out. Only "kin policy" I'm aware of is that if you see a Ceaseless member on the "other side" it is your sworn duty to kill him. Then defile his corpse. Then troll him the next time you're both together in kin chat. Extra points for creative means of accomplishing any one of those actions. Though I do have a personal policy I am trying to get Kraum to extend to the rest of the kin: Jonp only gets 5 rezzes a night.

    Gas passer - I feel for ya... I tried questing on my filer for maps. I got a few running around with kinnies on their lowbies... It helps if you can get an escort as a filer. I lucked out on getting sigil bearing loot boxes though for the main maps. One memorable time, I was attempting to mass murder some flies outside of TA to build up a reserve of items. A certain truly evil rk who was a former kinmate of mine ganked and cjed me (As all former kinmates are encouraged to do. Nothing says friendship like a good cj party.) I trudged my way back to TA and went to another spot. He quickly found me again and two shot me. I found another spot and... You get the picture. This time I didn't fight back. I was a r3 filer with 7 audacity against a fully geared rk. I know when my chances are none. But at this point I was effing determined. I went back. The rk was waiting with a runestone named "IHelpYou." He waited for me to aggro a fly, then he one shot it. Then he repeated the action for all the flies in the area. Now, this could've been out of pity. It could've been because he recognized my name (my filer is very creatively named Lythfiler.) It could've been that it was 4AM and helping a filer kill flies was more entertaining than roaming around desperately trying to find another creep. The point is that getting angry at someone for ganking while your questing is pointless. It's frustrating, but that's just the way PVP works. But if you don't get angry and turn that quest into a mission beyond getting your maps, you can have some fun with it instead.

    As for me personally, I've been going out heals traited recently, so I won't be hurting any low rank defilers. I'll just stun them and slow them while my friends kill them. I'm very sweet like that.
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    Isn't that what you're supposed to do with excess comms? I got so many comms from my warg that I had to start putting them into another creep, then suddenly I had 5 creeps with all their skills up to rank 6 and started putting comms into my freeps. My hunter had a full set of moors armor before even reaching 85, all of it earned while playing on my creeps. Once I got the hunter to the moors though it only benefited freeps, even if it was acquired from creeping.

    There's been plenty of times I've had to stop playing on one side to spend comms on the other, but I always switched back after using them up. I just can't see blowing all my comms on consumable food when I could gear up or get skills for other characters, but then again I like a lot of variety. I'm not very good at sticking with one character alone for too long.
    You gotta chill to take it to the next level.

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    I'm sorry but WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR COMPLAINT????

    Quote Originally Posted by dagneyandleo View Post
    If, in the course of one night in the Moors, a player earns 6k commies on freep side, stops fighting at precisely this point, waits five minutes, then logs creep to pick up a rank of audacity:

    For which side did this, clearly messed-up-in-the-head player, fight?
    Before I make my comment - I just want to state that I seriously do not have the faintest idea who this is targeting nor do I care.

    I read this post expecting to read something that made some reasonable sense. Instead I see someone complaining that another player, who wished to spend commendations on their creep instead of their freep, logged onto the other side to spend their commendations. They probably did this because they had no need to spend comms on their freep since they most likely had all their moors gear or simply thought that their creep needed the points more. That makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense is why anyone would care to complain about that? I mean, seriously, you really felt the need to make a forum post about some guy spending their comms on their creep instead of their freep? Do they need to ask your permission to log out and do that?

    All I can say is I hope this was a joke or some sort of troll comment and not something that was an actual intended complaint.
    Because if this is a serious comment - then please step away from your computer and take a look outside and pick up a lesson or two from real life, read up on morality and what is "moral" and "immoral" and ask someone what it actually means and stop being a whiny fool on the forums. Next you'll be informing us that we are only allowed to spend our commendations on one side or the other and are never allowed to switch because that would probably be just too darn evil and nasty of us if we had both a creep and freep to spend comms on. God help anyone in your kin who switches whenever they wish to the other side to spend any comms because if it is not at the right "moral" time to spend them - then Lythiea will be onto your sinful butt about it!

    Maybe I completely misunderstood what the point of this post was - and if so sorry for misunderstanding. And I hope I really did misunderstand because if not, then this is beyond sad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaelon View Post
    Before I make my comment - I just want to state that I seriously do not have the faintest idea who this is targeting nor do I care.

    I read this post expecting to read something that made some reasonable sense. Instead I see someone complaining that another player, who wished to spend commendations on their creep instead of their freep, logged onto the other side to spend their commendations. They probably did this because they had no need to spend comms on their freep since they most likely had all their moors gear or simply thought that their creep needed the points more. That makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense is why anyone would care to complain about that? I mean, seriously, you really felt the need to make a forum post about some guy spending their comms on their creep instead of their freep? Do they need to ask your permission to log out and do that?

    All I can say is I hope this was a joke or some sort of troll comment and not something that was an actual intended complaint.
    Because if this is a serious comment - then please step away from your computer and take a look outside and pick up a lesson or two from real life, read up on morality and what is "moral" and "immoral" and ask someone what it actually means and stop being a whiny fool on the forums. Next you'll be informing us that we are only allowed to spend our commendations on one side or the other and are never allowed to switch because that would probably be just too darn evil and nasty of us if we had both a creep and freep to spend comms on. God help anyone in your kin who switches whenever they wish to the other side to spend any comms because if it is not at the right "moral" time to spend them - then Lythiea will be onto your sinful butt about it!

    Maybe I completely misunderstood what the point of this post was - and if so sorry for misunderstanding. And I hope I really did misunderstand because if not, then this is beyond sad...
    I'm sure she's totally serious, it's not like she's joking about her own behaviour or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dagneyandleo View Post
    One memorable time, I was attempting to mass murder some flies outside of TA to build up a reserve of items. A certain truly evil rk who was a former kinmate of mine ganked and cjed me (As all former kinmates are encouraged to do. Nothing says friendship like a good cj party.) I trudged my way back to TA and went to another spot. He quickly found me again and two shot me. I found another spot and... You get the picture. This time I didn't fight back. I was a r3 filer with 7 audacity against a fully geared rk. I know when my chances are none. But at this point I was effing determined. I went back. The rk was waiting with a runestone named "IHelpYou." He waited for me to aggro a fly, then he one shot it. Then he repeated the action for all the flies in the area.
    That was actually heart warming.

 

 
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