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  1. #1
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    MaxPlayingSounds?


    (No, not that Max playing sounds - silly!).

    In the userpreferences file there is an entry "MaxPlayingSounds=[some number]" in the "[Sound]" section.

    Mine is set at 28, I suppose that's the default value because I have never done anything to change it. My playback device is the motherboard integrated Realtek HD audio, and I use the default playback device setting of "Generic Software".

    However, I have seen some suggested settings putting this value as high as 64.

    Anyone knows if a higher setting works (i.e. enables you to play more sounds simultaneously)? And, if it does, are there any side effects (aside from probably eating up more processor cycles and memory)?
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    I have the same configuration (Generic Software on Realtek HD Audio) on 64bit Vista and my 'Max' is set to 64 - also without me ever touching that setting.
    I tried to find something about the capabilities of the realtek audio codecs and drivers concerning polyphony but without success.
    My guess has always been that 32 simultaneous voices should be possible but I've got no clue as to where the limiting factor is located in this mashup of hardware, windows, drivers and lotro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBarde View Post
    My guess has always been that 32 simultaneous voices should be possible but I've got no clue as to where the limiting factor is located in this mashup of hardware, windows, drivers and lotro.
    Haha, the same here! (64bit Windows 7).

    I was actually just curious as to hear what kind of setting value other people used, thanks Shahn!
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    For several years I have been plagued by the inability to hear all the notes in songs with more than 2 or 3 instruments. As far I I know, there has never been any way to check to see how many simultaneous sounds were allowed. When I noticed someone mention "MaxPlayingSounds" I went searching for it within the UserPreferences.ini file within my "My Documents/Lord of the Rings Online/" folder, to no avail. Then someone mentioned another UserPreferences.ini file in the main "My Documents" folder, sure enough it was there.

    However, having never found this item before and never touching its settings, it was set to 16! I have a fast computer with lots of RAM and a sound card as well as the standard motherboard sound, and the "default" was only 16... no wonder I couldn't hear everything!

    I set it to 126, just to be sure I wouldn't miss out

    The only effect, other than finally being able to hear ALL the notes from EVERY instrument (HALLELUJAH), is that my FPS went from 60-62 down to 41-58 depending on how note-intensive the music was.

    There should seriously be some way to set this number on the fly within the Sounds options! The only thing it would really affect negatively is raid performance... something I don't do, so makes no difference to me.
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  5. #5
    Wow. I actually know this. When you're converting songs, especially now with wind instruments only.

    Chords.

    At any one point you may have 20, 30+ simultaneous notes running concurrently to generate chords.

    Too many and it will start removing notes randomly depending on the definition in the .abc file. I would only touch this if you're playing pieces with a lot of multiple chords running, as seen by the fps hit. A balance of latency and chords.

    I just usually strip redundant octave repeating chords, like a higher octave and lower octave identical chords running at the same time. But that's musician preference, and depends on the piece/parts.

    Good to point out by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond-tinidril View Post
    For several years I have been plagued by the inability to hear all the notes in songs with more than 2 or 3 instruments. As far I I know, there has never been any way to check to see how many simultaneous sounds were allowed. When I noticed someone mention "MaxPlayingSounds" I went searching for it within the UserPreferences.ini file within my "My Documents/Lord of the Rings Online/" folder, to no avail. Then someone mentioned another UserPreferences.ini file in the main "My Documents" folder, sure enough it was there.

    However, having never found this item before and never touching its settings, it was set to 16! I have a fast computer with lots of RAM and a sound card as well as the standard motherboard sound, and the "default" was only 16... no wonder I couldn't hear everything!

    I set it to 126, just to be sure I wouldn't miss out

    The only effect, other than finally being able to hear ALL the notes from EVERY instrument (HALLELUJAH), is that my FPS went from 60-62 down to 41-58 depending on how note-intensive the music was.

    There should seriously be some way to set this number on the fly within the Sounds options! The only thing it would really affect negatively is raid performance... something I don't do, so makes no difference to me.
    Sorry it has taken me far too long to comment on this Diamond! Thanks a lot for your input!

    After I read your post I increased the value of MaxPlayingSounds to 64 (I'm more of a chicken than you! ).

    And it did work wonders, like you described. I can't really tell any adverse effects on my computer, which is a relatively modern 64 bit PC with 8 GB of RAM, good graphics, SSD and a solid internet connection. I have used that setting now for 6 weeks, even during Weatherstock 5 where I had 2 clients running.

    One small correction to your post though: LOTRO now (again) only uses one "UserPreferences.ini" file, situated in "My Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online" where it rightly belongs. MaxPlayingSounds is in the [Sound] section of that file.

    Lolorndinfey: Good observations, but it's certainly not only about chords. If you for example make a fast harp run (like a scale passage) the number of concurrently playing harp notes skyrocket very quickly, as a consequence of the fire-and-forget nature of the harp (lute, theorbo, cowbell, drum) sample playback mechanism.
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    My default setting was 64 but because I am the reckless sort I set it up at 100 to see if it made the LOTRO music system sound better.
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    Hooray! Another setting to fiddle with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurefinde View Post
    My default setting was 64 but because I am the reckless sort I set it up at 100 to see if it made the LOTRO music system sound better.
    Notice any change? Mine is already set at 64 also.
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    It may be my imagination but it did sound a little bit crisper, then again my computer is a good one and I can't say I ever noticed notes dropping out, unless it was for large chords.
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    I'm not finding a [Sound] section in my Libraries\Documents\useprefere nces file.

    Is this normal?

    Is there another one somewhere else I should be looking at instead?

    Edit: nvm, I found it in the HighTexturesPreferences folder in the main LoTRo installation folder, upon discovery it was immediately tweaked upwards
    Last edited by Ingleton; Aug 15 2013 at 10:13 PM.

 

 

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