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  1. #1
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    First Attack from Pressing Attack not critting?

    Ok tested this a lot on combat dummies and noticed the first attack from pressing attack never crits.

    This seems to be why combat analysis and other combat trackers show the critical rate for pressing is about half what it should be.

    I realize the second attack is the one that needs to critical for the death response.

    However is there any reason the first attack cannot critical.

  2. #2
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    I started a thread just a little while ago that asked about this but no one responded to this part as it also asked about crit rating and that is what people responded to. I only did a little testing but I was certain that pressing attack was critting less. If the first attack cannot crit then things make sense. It may be the case that the way the code is written that any crit on either hit would trigger the defeat response. If that is the case it makes sense for them to take away crits on that first hit as double the chance makes pressing attack incredibly powerful.
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  3. #3
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    This is slightly off topic, but with the changes to critical defense and critical rating devastating blow is no longer ahead of pressing attack in damage output in criticals. Previously DB critted for 3x damage + devastating magnitude bonus while PA critted for 2xdamage +no bonus. now DB crits for 2x damage + crit bonus+ dev bonus while PA crits for 1.5x damage + crit bonus, even we assume 0 crits on first hit from PA, that still 1+1.5 damage vs 2xdamage on crits.DB needs some love, maybe add "this skill deals devastating damage on a hit and has a higher crit damage bonus" to balance things out, or plainly make it hit for more base damage still, since with proc itens all things considered its better hit twice than once to activate procs.

  4. #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nascephor View Post
    This is slightly off topic, but with the changes to critical defense and critical rating devastating blow is no longer ahead of pressing attack in damage output in criticals. Previously DB critted for 3x damage + devastating magnitude bonus while PA critted for 2xdamage +no bonus. now DB crits for 2x damage + crit bonus+ dev bonus while PA crits for 1.5x damage + crit bonus, even we assume 0 crits on first hit from PA, that still 1+1.5 damage vs 2xdamage on crits.DB needs some love, maybe add "this skill deals devastating damage on a hit and has a higher crit damage bonus" to balance things out, or plainly make it hit for more base damage still,[BOLD] since with proc itens all things considered its better hit twice than once to activate procs.[/BOLD]
    While the first part of your post is off topic, the bolded part is not. As far as we can tell the first attack cannot crit therefore it cannot proc the defeat response. So in terms of defeat responses generated devastating blow is exactly the same as pressing attack.
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  5. #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwyxzl View Post
    While the first part of your post is off topic, the bolded part is not. As far as we can tell the first attack cannot crit therefore it cannot proc the defeat response. So in terms of defeat responses generated devastating blow is exactly the same as pressing attack.
    He's not talking about proccing the defeat response though. He's referring to an extra chance to proc the +crit procs. (Also, even if the first attack can or cannot crit, it's not supposed to trigger the DR anyway.)

    I'm pretty sure I've seen the first attack crit before, but I can't say I've watched for that in a long time.
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  6. #6
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    If I remember correctly only the second swing of PA has the chance to crit. It might be in a skill description or something, I don't really remember where I read it. Sorry I couldn't be clearer!

 

 

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