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  1. #1
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    U10.1 Power issues

    Maybe I'm just too used to the previous state of never even having to use a power pot in U10, but is anyone else experiencing SEVERE power loss after today's update? I mean, like worse than pre-U10 power problems. My power slowly drops down to 0 after about 2 minutes (if I don't use any power restores) and it pretty much never comes back. I've sat and stared at it and my ICPR is far lower than what's in the tooltip for it, at least in practice, after a minute of letting it return. Anyone else having these issues now?
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    Turbine discovered that, shockingly, giving people unlimited power pools led to people having unlimited power pools. i know, who could have guessed, right? Not Turbine.

    Now they have nerfed the Fate contribution to power by three quarters. They claim that they have adjusted bow of the righteous, but haven't in any way discernible without a microscope.

    Meanwhile if you took the power legacies off your weapons you're screwed. If I recall they also removed ICPR from gear. That hasn't been put back.

    My guess is (because it's hard to believe it is incompetence as it was obvious from the math and bullroarer feedback that this the inevitable outcome was inevitable) that Fate tomes aren't selling well enough in the Store.

    Now for a few updates they'll flail around changing it up and down to fix a problem that only existed because they created it in the first place with the pointless decision to change stats around for no good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kongas View Post

    Now they have nerfed the Fate contribution to power by three quarters. They claim that they have adjusted bow of the righteous, but haven't in any way discernible without a microscope.

    Meanwhile if you took the power legacies off your weapons you're screwed. If I recall they also removed ICPR from gear. That hasn't been put back.
    They also reverted back many classes' power return skills, but still left our Press Onward and ISOTE in the dust. We now have absolutely no efficient power return except that of a pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zalladi View Post
    They also reverted back many classes' power return skills, but still left our Press Onward and ISOTE in the dust. We now have absolutely no efficient power return except that of a pot.
    Yea. Great start for the new Hunter Dev.

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    i'm bitterly disappointed...
    going to purchase a stockpile of power potions (have never done it before)
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    Power pots aren't enough. In a relatively long fight with some power debuffs (end-boss in BoD) I ended up with no power in like 75% of the fight. We didnt have cappy in the group, so I had to burn all possible power returns - iBN, Press Onward, iSOTE and pots all the time they were out of CD and still ended up powerless and useless at the end... it's great to be a hunter in LOTRO...
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    At first I figured that he wasn't rotating power restores or something, surely things can't be worse in terms of power Pre U9 or whatever update brought forth the never ending supply of power. Needless to say this was not the case and I realized, upon using my hunter who was just sitting around collecting dust that this power problem was very real, I always knew how to rotate restores but this is ridiculous. I don't know what Turbine intends to do but this is not working.

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    While our power usage certainly isn't in a great spot right now, I don't feel it's as bad as many of you are making it out to be. It's feeling to me pretty similar to what it was pre U10 with the fate changes (sitting between 500-550 fate atm). That said, for longer fights, ie. smaug, t2 flight, a pocket LM or NFW traited cappy is pretty much mandatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenilie View Post
    While our power usage certainly isn't in a great spot right now, I don't feel it's as bad as many of you are making it out to be. It's feeling to me pretty similar to what it was pre U10 with the fate changes (sitting between 500-550 fate atm). That said, for longer fights, ie. smaug, t2 flight, a pocket LM or NFW traited cappy is pretty much mandatory.
    Except that they removed icpr from items as it wasn't needed and people took them at their word and removed power conserving legacies from weapons. I'm certainly in a worse place, having to trade off stuff i never needed to trade off before to claw back some icpr. I can get back to pre-fate icpr by trading off AG and morale, leaving me at least 1k down on pre-fate change morale and i didn't touch my legacies.

    Bow of Righteous remains useless even though they claim to have improved it.

    They are just flailing around. They don't know what the hell they are doing. they don't listen to Bullroarer feedback, they don't seem to see the most blindingly obvious of outcomes. Do you trust them to pull off the total revamp of all classes they've been threatening when they pull howlers like this? I sure don't.

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    You're just going to have to slightly modify your build to try to cope with it. I noticed a significantly higher power burn rate.

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    I went from 3.5k ICPR to 1.2k ICPR, unbuffed that is. This is really bad news for me because I use a very power-intensive build that basically focuses on shooting off as many PS as possible. Heck even with 4.5k ICPR I was running out of power in fights, if I didn't use any power restores that is.

    Now I pretty much have no hope, I'm out of power in a snap. I may have to swap out my fate legacy for the -10% power cost and trait the power cost reduction and see if they help at all, but I'm not too convinced. Really hope I don't have to switch to a 4r/3b build or something, I love my improved fleetness setup with a passion .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graycient View Post
    You're just going to have to slightly modify your build to try to cope with it. I noticed a significantly higher power burn rate.
    The answer to Turbine screwing us around all the time is always 'you'll just have to cope with being screwed'. Not good enough.

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    WTB refund on all of the Marks/Medallions/Seals/Scrolls/Shards/Relics and all other resources I spent getting a 2nd ager maxed out and not worrying about not having 4 Majors because of the U10 power problems being non-existent. PST ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckenbrand View Post
    WTB refund on all of the Marks/Medallions/Seals/Scrolls/Shards/Relics and all other resources I spent getting a 2nd ager maxed out and not worrying about not having 4 Majors because of the U10 power problems being non-existent. PST ASAP.
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    Yeah, this is definitely a screw up. Let's review:

    1. Fate is too negligible a stat, and will users have too much power. Let's buff Fate ICPR and standardize power pools.

    2. Adjust power costs and reduce power restores from skills severely to counter all that new base ICPR, because logic.

    3. Realize Fate ICPR is way too high, because alarmingly, people are USING FATE!

    4. Severely nerf Fate ICPR to the point that it's back to pre-U9 levels, to adjust to people actually using the ICPR stat because we buffed it.

    5. Forget to buff power restore skills and properly adjust skill power costs.

    Now we have no ICPR, nerfed power returns, and builds completely altered because of the fate changes. Good going Turbine.
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    cant beleive this news. the day before the update i changed my build and got ride of lots of fate. Great.

    Just wasted alot of gold on that.

    this is getting rediculous. every month u need to change ur build because of their changes.

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    So I just did a bit of testing, and based on my combat analysis results w/ the -power book and legacy, I'm using ~60 power per second, and able to regain 43 power per second without ICPR or group buffs. So without captains or LMs I'm definitely in bad shape! But I tried grouping with a cappy and seemed to be do relatively well on power, so I'm not as worried as I was initially!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephollos View Post
    So I just did a bit of testing, and based on my combat analysis results w/ the -power book and legacy, I'm using ~60 power per second, and able to regain 43 power per second without ICPR or group buffs. So without captains or LMs I'm definitely in bad shape! But I tried grouping with a cappy and seemed to be do relatively well on power, so I'm not as worried as I was initially!
    Yeah, this is about what I've been finding as well. Not a great place for power management on our own (though OCPR is just fine, and few solo instance fights require extended periods in combat), but in a group with a cappy or LM we're able to manage reasonably well.

    To those mentioning BoTR, I did a few tests with it slotted, and was able to get some parses where in terms of ICPR it was restoring a fair amount (upwards of 700), however, to get that my consumption rate was through the roof, as it's a return based on per skill use. According to combat analysis the return per skill was averaging for me at about 11.7 which is actually above the tooltip range on the skills I was using in the rotation which indicated 7-11 power per skill (which is basically where the trait was before the u10 changes). Apparently BoTRs power restore can crit (something I was unaware was possible) and had max restore values of 18 over several 2minute long parses.
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    Well, the devs obviously wanted to make hunters cry. I mean, they even named your new ability Cry of the Hunter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olfaran View Post
    Well, the devs obviously wanted to make hunters cry. I mean, they even named your new ability Cry of the Hunter.
    No. This is a universal change. Fail troll is fail and a few months behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kajil View Post
    No. This is a universal change.
    Change to fate was universal. Change to power-restore skills, OTOH, seems to hurt some classes more than others.
    Also, it wasn`t trolling - it was just a joke. Maybe a sad one - but I find the whole situation pretty sad actually.
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    April Fool?

    Hah, hah. Well played New Hunter Dev. Yes. you got us. You got us good with the new 'improved' BoTR. My combat log shows me getting 8-10 points back every 2 or 3 shots. It's gone April 1st now. Can we have the proper legendary BoTR that was allegedly going to compensate for the Fate nerf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenilie View Post
    Apparently BoTRs power restore can crit (something I was unaware was possible) and had max restore values of 18 over several 2minute long parses.
    It has been able to crit all along. Problem is, the crit and non-crit values pre U10.1 were about the same. At least they can say BotR is working fine now.

    I still say BotR should return something like 1% of your damage dealt.

    Also, Imp. Fleetness + Erebor Huntsman 2-set bonus + U10.1 Fate changes = say goodbye to your blue bar. Unless you have like, 2k Fate.
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    Right on schedule.


    you're all surprised? you expected Turbine to re-adjust the power restores of "that bow class"?
    LOL. This is right in line with projections for the bi-monthly nerf to Hunters. no surprise here. just the usual downward tumble


    Kelsan has not uttered a peep for the past few weeks (despite claiming that he will be releasing details as soon as possible)

    i've heard from the Florida meeting that the devs are already in the advanced stages with the class revamps (not that they would tell us anything or ask us for our opinions)


    the revamp needs to be nothing less than stellar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lendas View Post
    Kelsan has not uttered a peep for the past few weeks (despite claiming that he will be releasing details as soon as possible)

    i've heard from the Florida meeting that the devs are already in the advanced stages with the class revamps
    it seems that my hunter will be pretty dusty soon... *sad*

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