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  1. #1

    What are some good stats to aim for?

    Hey everyone,

    Recently returned to lotro, and was just wondering what sort of stats to aim for when I start getting new gear, in terms of might/ agility/ vitality/ b/p/e/ inc. healing and crit defence.

    As of now, i've got 2.5k vit, with ~800 might and agility. B/P/E is 7.7/7.6/6.7, but with a few self buffs, they go up to 22/30/22%.

    Thanks.
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    If you have those B/P/E stats unbuffed you should be capping once buffed I would think,

    Once Shield Mastery is active, along with Defensive Strike, Celebration of Skill etc, then Dance of War along with Surety of Death will cap Evade for you, Parry you are already there so all good.

    Crit Defence you should be aiming to reach 55%, going much higher may sacrifice other areas, you should be aiming to cap both physical and tactical mit as well, you don't state where you are for that but with that amount of Vit you should be there or thereabouts I would reckon!

    Incoming healing is just a case of as much as you can get, 20% would be a good start although I think I run a little lower than that on my build.

    Hope that helps good luck!
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    I'm shocked that I'm such a noob. Running with like 5,5/5/5,4k BPE. O well, still can tank T2C content, so that shows stats to aim for are not necassarily very high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giliodor View Post
    I'm shocked that I'm such a noob. Running with like 5,5/5/5,4k BPE. O well, still can tank T2C content, so that shows stats to aim for are not necassarily very high.
    to be honest i have 55% crit defense, capped mits, (and i consider myself to built for inc healing instead partial relics) so i have 22% incoming healing, and overcapped parry (thx to my sword), near cap block and so-so evade.

    anyways what nykki states seemss a bit impossible to me.. as we lack gear with incoming healing... i only found crafted neclace, gloves, shoulderpads from ost dunoth, and helmet.... (and ofc the relics) so for me it seems no 100% true what 2nd post said... or if it is i really lack gear so post some pics and plz plz plz tell where it dropps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leri927 View Post
    anyways what nykki states seemss a bit impossible to me.. as we lack gear with incoming healing
    Thanks for the responses everyone.

    I guess it's the human racial trait. As an elf, i have 15%, so i think that's ok.

    Edit: she's a hobbit, nevermine
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    The human racial is a big help with regards to Incoming healing as you stated I am a Hobbit so missing out on that, I am at 16% I think but I have traded out some relics on my weapons for more B/P/E Partials while losing some of it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giliodor View Post
    I'm shocked that I'm such a noob. Running with like 5,5/5/5,4k BPE. O well, still can tank T2C content, so that shows stats to aim for are not necassarily very high.
    So true, ability and understanding of the Warden are the key to doing harder content not statistics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leri927 View Post
    anyways what nykki states seemss a bit impossible to me.. as we lack gear with incoming healing...
    It's a bit easier now to reach higher numbers for inc healing, since the gold crit defense rohan ring has +1632 inc healing on it now. And also our basic spear builder applies a 5% inc healing buff.

    I'm a human and I have 19.5% inc healing unbuffed. When that ring procs together with the spear builder I will have 27% inc healing. Not bad .

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    I sit @ 18900 morale, 2470 vit, 430 might, 620 agi, 20.9% inc heal (man), BPE 6700/7400/7700, 44.8% crit.def.
    all estimated. mits @ a little over 15000.

    I have the feeling that I have quite good gear, although noooo luck at all with golden drops of any kind. I'm unsure where you folks have the equip to reach the high numbers posted above.
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    Most other tanks consider my morale to be pretty low for a tank build. I have 16.5k Morale tank specced. But, I make up for that in obscenely high base avoidance

    With only Determination up, I have roughly 8.1k/9.1k/6k b/p/e respectively. so fully buffed raid buffs etc i cap all avoidances. *EDIT* Woops, forgot to add my crit Defense... roughly 47% crit defense in determination.

    I still prefer the partial mit relics, as I found that the total amount of damage reduction is much more than that of the crit defense relics. One session of CA i logged over 900 Total physical avoids, and only 19crits. of 1300 attempted attacks on me, only about 500 landed *including dot ticks* of the landed attacks, crits count for about 5% of the total landed attacks, or just over 1% of total attempted attacks, but my partial block/partial parry accounted for right around 10% of total attempted attacks (136 total partial blocks and parries). Using an arbitrary number for each hit of damage, I found that leaving the runes with partial mits static, the gems of faith offered more total damage reduction than the gems with crit defense.

    I'm still tweaking my build... but it seems there's really only a few pieces that can upgrade my build, and alas, I have some of Middle Earth's worst luck in looting gold equipment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khallan View Post
    Most other tanks consider my morale to be pretty low for a tank build. I have 16.5k Morale tank specced. But, I make up for that in obscenely high base avoidance

    With only Determination up, I have roughly 8.1k/9.1k/6k b/p/e respectively. so fully buffed raid buffs etc i cap all avoidances. *EDIT* Woops, forgot to add my crit Defense... roughly 47% crit defense in determination.

    I still prefer the partial mit relics, as I found that the total amount of damage reduction is much more than that of the crit defense relics. One session of CA i logged over 900 Total physical avoids, and only 19crits. of 1300 attempted attacks on me, only about 500 landed *including dot ticks* of the landed attacks, crits count for about 5% of the total landed attacks, or just over 1% of total attempted attacks, but my partial block/partial parry accounted for right around 10% of total attempted attacks (136 total partial blocks and parries). Using an arbitrary number for each hit of damage, I found that leaving the runes with partial mits static, the gems of faith offered more total damage reduction than the gems with crit defense.

    I'm still tweaking my build... but it seems there's really only a few pieces that can upgrade my build, and alas, I have some of Middle Earth's worst luck in looting gold equipment
    You don't need that much unbuffed avoidance, its a complete waste in my opinion. You should look to cap avoidance in combat with gambits which can be done with around 7k/6.5k/5k. Also 16.5k is too low if you want to do BFE t2c where you will get hit for 20k with the 47% Crit D you have if 200% buffs are up.

    My raiding build has capped avoidance and partial mit in combat.
    20.3k unbuffed morale ATM, will be at 21k after getting 1 or 2 more pieces.
    60% unbuffed crit D (65% in combat) and 21% inc heals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintagh View Post
    You don't need that much unbuffed avoidance, its a complete waste in my opinion. You should look to cap avoidance in combat with gambits which can be done with around 7k/6.5k/5k. Also 16.5k is too low if you want to do BFE t2c where you will get hit for 20k with the 47% Crit D you have if 200% buffs are up.

    My raiding build has capped avoidance and partial mit in combat.
    20.3k unbuffed morale ATM, will be at 21k after getting 1 or 2 more pieces.
    60% unbuffed crit D (65% in combat) and 21% inc heals.
    I havent yet had a problem in T2 content, however we've not attempted t2c yet either. Either way, I do what works for me, and you do what works for you, I find it more valuable to not have to spend time with certain avoidance buffs leaving more time for other things, its just my personal preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khallan View Post
    I havent yet had a problem in T2 content, however we've not attempted t2c yet either. Either way, I do what works for me, and you do what works for you, I find it more valuable to not have to spend time with certain avoidance buffs leaving more time for other things, its just my personal preference.
    What other things might I ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintagh View Post
    What other things might I ask?
    It just fits my "rotation" better is all. I dont really have a set in stone rotation, but I just like having the time to pop other threatgen gambits, or more heals. Like I said, haven't tried t2c with my group yet, so I may have to change how I operate, but I won't do so until what I'm doing no longer works for my playstyle.

    It's kind of hard to say I do exactly *insert random gambit(s) here* with my extra time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sp33dccm View Post
    What are some good stats to aim for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frisco View Post
    36-24-36. If you are like a certain famous knight, you will also want them to be 5'3".
    And no high heels..

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    Good stats depend on your choice regaring which defensive gambits you want to keep up all the time and which legacies (+BPE) you care to slot in your Weapons.

    According to my sheet, the ideal BPE values for my personal playstyle are approximately:

    6785 block
    8758 parry
    5362 evade

    Originally, a few days ago I created the sheet with the intention of writing an update for the old and rotten heal and defense management article, but anything new I came up with is either self-explanatory or serves no practical application.





    As I said, the desired ratings reflect my playstyle, so all values are tainted by my own gear (out/inc heal; LIs), but you are welcome to download the sheet and use it for your own purpose.
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    Comment on partial bpe relics

    I believe that partials prevented more damage than crits but a partial hit never hits hard. And the relics only add to the damage prevented not the chance of a partial. With that said healing a partial hit is trivial where healing a crit can be a game ender if not done quickly. So in my opinion the partial relics are not needed as the damage they prevent will not be felt in any noticable way where a bpe relic or crit etc relic will lessen or prevent what could have been a big hit.

    As for numbers to work with. Go with ballance. The more bpe you get the more time you have to self heal and keep threat because you wont need to keep a defence gambit up. 1212 3232 are 2 i would like to not need to rely on. If i keep 2 big self heals up conviction aggression shield mastery and dow up that gives me time to react to adds or position or what ever the fight calls for wile keeping myself survivable. Untill you start doing t2c raids 18k moral is plenty for anything if your bpe total 60% pre gambits. Shoot for over 20% tac resistance and inc heal...my inc heal is lacking at about 17%. You want your crit def over 50% in combat and 55% is not too hard to get. 60%+ is ideal but will probably take a gold item or three. The gold warden shield is probably the best single item for crit def short of the horse stuff.
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    when im lvl 85 what should i try to get my agility and vitality and morale and other stats up to? im 82 atm
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