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  1. #1
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    House auto-abandon after 1 years inactivity * Petition *

    Hello, as Tirian-Hammerfist wrote here
    please clean the trash in the Housing Instances.
    There are already three years that I never see somebody in my Housing instance, except my Kinship.
    Other Kinship members must buy their Houses in other instances because in our Kinship Housing Instance are no free houses, although there are no soul in them.

    The other three (3) free Kinship Houses can't be sold out because there are no Player Houses free, so they are still there empty, about three years.

    So please make us a favor and change this ugly situation to auto-abandon after 1 years inactivity on the account.

    Thank you



    Last edited by Capt.Hunor; Jan 15 2013 at 02:17 PM.

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    /signed

  3. #3
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    Sounds like foreclosure..... One year?

    Still, if their stuff is put in escrow, and they get the proceeds from the sale over the rent, why not?

    /signed

  4. #4
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    Would be nice
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  5. #5
    /signed,

    to have a more populated -well populated suits better as it is empty now neighborhood.

    I just hope that they put all the items to escrow for an unlimited time.

  6. #6
    /signed

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  7. #7
    /signed

    please,please,please do it.

  8. #8
    /signed

  9. #9
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    /sign
    More houses to buy, less ghosthouses!
    1 year should be enough time IF someone still wants to play lotro.
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  10. #10
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    1 year is reasonable.

    /signed

  11. #11
    /signed

    Would be better for the inactive Player too, imagine how much you have to pay after 1 or more Years

  12. #12
    I a not sure if it'd be ok to comment in here but if you remember, the houses used to be auto-abandoned instead of being locked. One of the reasons they changed it was because the escrow held the decoration items and chest items for only 2 weeks and then destroyed. I doubt this can be handled better now.
    Imo, it would be better if they changed the rules of auto-creating new neighbourhoods - if all houses of a certain type are 0, then create new neighbourhood. If I understood correctly, currently the neighbourhood needs to be bought out completely for a new one to appear.

  13. #13
    /signed

    Barrier to this has been how to handle *all* the stuff that they push out of it in a way that a player doesn't come back and have it mostly deleted after the 1 year auto-move.

    Secondarily I don't understand why they can't open up more housing more often.
    I'm sure it's about data budget, people only buying kin houses and creating more and more new housing instances that are empty. So right now they have a balance. I heard someone say don't go to a big server because you won't be able to get a house. That shouldn't even be a consideration by players really.

    I would also like to see it be more feasible for an entire kin to move into a housing area. Again technical features to balance with priorities but it has been a hot button for years.

    PS - One reason given for the original change from abandonment to permanent foreclosure is US Military who are gone for months on end. I don't really think that reason holds water so much any more (due to more freedom of access to internet while on assignment).
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  14. #14
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    Firstly they will not read this as petitions violate forum rules. Secondly reimplementing auto abandon would cost turbine potential players some of which are in the military so I dont think they would do it anyways.

  15. #15
    /signed

    Only player housing available on Brandywine is Dwarven.

  16. #16
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    One year might be a bit short. As stated above, a lot of military guys played and playing the game.

    However, it would be reasonable if it had a VIP-block in there somehow.
    In other words: anyone can rent a house regardless of account status but unless the account at some point is or has been VIP, the house becomes available after 1-2 months of unpaid rent.

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    /signed
    give those neglected homes new owners!
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  18. #18
    I've been annoyed by this situation for years, so I guess I /sign.

    Regarding potential problems caused by players returning to abandoned houses, the ugly solution is to never auto-abandon, a better one is to create a new housing instance at the end of the list and move inactive players into it.[1] This would create a full instance worth of houses spread among existing neighborhoods so people can move into homes in neighborhoods that are neither empty nor dead.[2]

    As soon as their are no houses of a given size available, repeat for another instance worth of houses.

    In pseudo-code:
    foreach housing-region(
    if available-small*available-large*available-kin == 0 (
    _create_neighborhood(Zig%1);
    _foreach address in a neighborhood (
    __move(Zig%1) find-longest-unpaid(address) unless unpaid-time(address) < 1year;
    _)
    )

    Optional: Hide all the Zig instances from the list unless a player owns a home in it, and don't use a sequence for %1. (No reason to advertise how many people have abandoned the game, right?)

    I suppose if someone does return and want their address back in a live neighborhood there should be a waiting-list system for them to get the next available instance of it; A system to get their exact address in their old neighborhood back is probably overkill. I think this much more fair than a purely time-based system and least likely to have anyone complain.



    [1] I mean move everything, decorations, layout, chests, etc. Same address, different neighborhood.
    [2] Maybe some of the newly available addresses will be in mostly abandoned neighborhoods, people who don't care about that can buy them anyway, and the life will eventually follow them in.
    [x] Heck, now that I think about it, there could be a waiting-list for unkept homes too, for folks who do want to get into a particular neighborhood. And the wait-list could factor into the move decision if they are over two-years unpaid.
    Last edited by Algorithm2; Jan 17 2013 at 03:16 AM. Reason: Can't format nicely :(

  19. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macroscian View Post
    One year might be a bit short. As stated above, a lot of military guys played and playing the game.
    Sorry but that's not a viable argument. People which has no time to login more then 1 year, they need no Houses or they are free to buy another one. Their items are anyway sorted out by the Keeper.

  20. #20
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    /signed

    people who are facing an absence for more than a year could ask some ingame-friends to pay the rent.

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    /signed
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  22. #22
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    I'd go closer to 2-3 years myself--no reason someone shouldn't be able to take a year off.

    That would open up a ton of housing immediately. There is a huge chunk that would open up if the cutoff was *5* years.
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  23. #23
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    Some people doesn't really understand the primary reason.
    The primary reason is to clean the trash in the running/existing housing instances, to give the possibility to be rent from active players, in most of the cases from kinship members which most of them own houses in the housing instance and where is the Kinship House too.

    That many Lotro players are in the US-Army.....sorry but that's not a reason to keep thousand of trash houses, only because they can not login once in a year. I don't thing that they are so many.

    The escrow held the decoration items and chest items for two weeks. Sorry but these items has a much more value as the house self.
    Just think about the good old trophies such Colnor, Skybreaker and many others or many Class items. What is 15-17 Gold compared to this old trophies values?

  24. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMORPG_Gamer View Post
    /signed

    Only player housing available on Brandywine is Dwarven.
    Grab 3 Frothing Road if you can. It's a regular house, so it has less space than a deluxe, but it sits on its own little island. If I hadn't felt the need to have the extra housing chest and the extra decoration spots, I'd have locked down a 3 Frothing Road the moment my transfer to E went through a few years ago.

  25. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck1771 View Post
    Firstly they will not read this as petitions violate forum rules. Secondly reimplementing auto abandon would cost turbine potential players some of which are in the military so I dont think they would do it anyways.
    I don't think that petitions violate forums rules, but I do believe that Sapience has stated that forum petitions are essentially pointless. (I'm paraphrasing, as I can't recall the exact quote.)

 

 
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