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    The Incredible Double Standard of Dwarrowdelf

    Due to recent events, several things have come to my attention, and in return brings back several memories. Many people accuse a certain person of cheating with a certain glitch. While this may or may not be true, I find it increasingly funny because some of these people that are calling them "cheater" "fail" ect have in fact cheated themselves.

    Remember when the fury pot was bugged for creepside? 1 minute cc immunity. This was an exploit, and many creeps used it all of the time. The same creeps who are accusing people of cheating and calling them fail because of it. Not to mention all of the OTHER people who are going after these guys for cheating, when I don't ever remember seeing the amount of qq and hate towards the creeps for using the fury exploit.

    Some of you will argue that the stat glitch =/= fury pot bug. While this is true stat wise, the fact of the matter is is that they are both exploits. The hypocrisy of people calling out certain people and making a huge deal over stat glitching, while the exact same people used the fury exploit and others never griefed the offenders over the fury pot bug.

    I'm wondering why these people are so upset over it when they used exploits themselves.
    I'm wondering why the same people who didnt grief creeps exploiting the fury pot are now griefing the people supposedly exploiting stats.

    Its disgusting.

    So please, explain this double standard.



    Also, while I was writing this, I found me a half full bag of chips. So now I will go to bed happy knowing that I was able to eat a yummy bag of cheddar and sourcream ruffles.

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    Before you talk about something you have to make sure you know what you are talking about, otherwise you will look like a fool for the people that do know the facts.

    You made this thread in an attempt to defend farmers and supposed (supposed because i didn't personally see them glitching stats, only saw it on screenshots of other people) exploiters - because they are your friends - comparing a minor bug with an extreme exploit where they have the ability to have all stats capped, which your friends are being accused of doing. And not only you compared a minor bug with an extreme exploit but you went as far as saying something that isn't true about the minor bug, maybe because you don't know the facts, maybe because you do know but just intended to make the minor bug look more critical and comparable to the stat exploit. The Fury pot never gave 1m cc immunity, after 10s you could still be dazed, rooted and stunned. The only thing that lasted for 1m was the slow immunity.

    I will finish by saying that people who talk about any subject not knowing the facts are far more ignorant than people who don't know anything about the subject but don't talk about it like they knew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardal View Post
    Due to recent events, several things have come to my attention, and in return brings back several memories. Many people accuse a certain person of cheating with a certain glitch. While this may or may not be true, I find it increasingly funny because some of these people that are calling them "cheater" "fail" ect have in fact cheated themselves.

    Remember when the fury pot was bugged for creepside? 1 minute cc immunity. This was an exploit, and many creeps used it all of the time. The same creeps who are accusing people of cheating and calling them fail because of it. Not to mention all of the OTHER people who are going after these guys for cheating, when I don't ever remember seeing the amount of qq and hate towards the creeps for using the fury exploit.

    Some of you will argue that the stat glitch =/= fury pot bug. While this is true stat wise, the fact of the matter is is that they are both exploits. The hypocrisy of people calling out certain people and making a huge deal over stat glitching, while the exact same people used the fury exploit and others never griefed the offenders over the fury pot bug.

    I'm wondering why these people are so upset over it when they used exploits themselves.
    I'm wondering why the same people who didnt grief creeps exploiting the fury pot are now griefing the people supposedly exploiting stats.

    Its disgusting.

    So please, explain this double standard.



    Also, while I was writing this, I found me a half full bag of chips. So now I will go to bed happy knowing that I was able to eat a yummy bag of cheddar and sourcream ruffles.
    Quite a bit of a difference between using a consumable pot which as an inadvertent side effect gave instead of 10 seconds of total cc immunity (hence a brand) gave I believe 1 min of slow immunity on top of the 10 seconds of cc immunity and someone going out of their way to do whatever hocus pocus it is that makes them have ultra inflated stats, the latter basically makes you a walking god which cannot be taken down by an entire fellowship, the former whether you intended it or not had a small minor effect on gameplay and plenty of people died with or without it on. Props for trying to make the 2 appear as equals because some of your associates seem to enjoy manipulating the game more than playing it, but that doesn't make you right and furthermore doesn't make inadvertent side effects of consumables = purposely manipulating the game to make you a walking tank. Also the pots were commonly used just for the stated buff listed on the tooltip and not for any unintended side effect, Im sure however it is that the stat glitch is being pulled off has nothing to do with a commonly used game item and furthermore has a very methodical approach (or money, yes I know there are sites with p2w hacks) used to properly get the effect. One is an unintended side effect of a commonly used potion, the other a little known glitch in the system which people who live to exploit things find and then pass on to buddies on the proper manner of how to use them.

    In closing I consider both ways of exploiting if it was purposely used in that manner reprehensible, but I doubt very many people bought Akulhuns Fury just to get the non listed side effect, however I'm 100% sure if someone did the stat glitching buff via skirms or however it is that they did it (don't know specifics and don't want to know, just understand its not something someone would do by accident) that they totally meant to cheat.

    Oh and Lunch, Thanks for listing my Weaver as best in class, I know your trolling and got a big head when you killed me at OC, but as I stated in OOC and will state again, I created that Weaver less than 30-36 hours ago, you have played yours more than a year....Don't give me a message that I fail/need to learn to play via some creep buddies and then send whoever it was to harass me/make personal threats when you know darned well someone just starting a class isn't up to par to compete with someone at the top of their game on a class they almost exclusively play.....We'll retry this in a Year and see how it goes when im rank 9-10 on my weaver....
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    Two wrongs do not make a right.

    Exploiting is ridiculous in any form. Stat glitching is ridiculous. Fury pot glitching was ridiculous. Ledging Saruman is ridiculous. All these defeat the whole point of the game in my opinion, which is working together to beat a challenge - Shiny loot is a bonus, not the entire point of the game.

    Using an exploit to continually grief players goes beyond ridiculous territory into rude. The level of the rudeness and outrage is directly proportional to the amount of annoyance it causes... For instance, a raid of freeps could easily take down a pot glitching creep. The same statement cannot be made for a raid of creeps against a stat glitching freep. That's assuming that there are enough creeps to 'take down' said freep, which our server decidedly does not have in the nighttime hours.

    The weirdest part is that the offenders involved could have done the same action sans glitch and have effectively held their own in a way that would've been productive to the overall action in the Moors (as stated previously, none of these people are actually bad at playing their class). If the point of such an action was, as stated, to prevent people 1v1ing - Well, they missed the forest for the trees. If the point was, as I suspect, a way to "get back" at people for killing "their" crops or for criticizing farming, so that they could farm in peace... Well, frankly, they define 'petty' and I would expect better from people I like.

    But what is absolutely reprehensible is a gaming company receiving reports of said actions, and doing nothing to acknowledge the reports or to prevent future repeats of these actions, but instead actively preventing discussion of the offender's actions in the forums. The disdain with which Turbine has treated their own players recently sickens me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dagneyandleo View Post
    Two wrongs do not make a right.

    Exploiting is ridiculous in any form. Stat glitching is ridiculous. Fury pot glitching was ridiculous. Ledging Saruman is ridiculous. All these defeat the whole point of the game in my opinion, which is working together to beat a challenge - Shiny loot is a bonus, not the entire point of the game.

    Using an exploit to continually grief players goes beyond ridiculous territory into rude. The level of the rudeness and outrage is directly proportional to the amount of annoyance it causes... For instance, a raid of freeps could easily take down a pot glitching creep. The same statement cannot be made for a raid of creeps against a stat glitching freep. That's assuming that there are enough creeps to 'take down' said freep, which our server decidedly does not have in the nighttime hours.

    The weirdest part is that the offenders involved could have done the same action sans glitch and have effectively held their own in a way that would've been productive to the overall action in the Moors (as stated previously, none of these people are actually bad at playing their class). If the point of such an action was, as stated, to prevent people 1v1ing - Well, they missed the forest for the trees. If the point was, as I suspect, a way to "get back" at people for killing "their" crops or for criticizing farming, so that they could farm in peace... Well, frankly, they define 'petty' and I would expect better from people I like.

    But what is absolutely reprehensible is a gaming company receiving reports of said actions, and doing nothing to acknowledge the reports or to prevent future repeats of these actions, but instead actively preventing discussion of the offender's actions in the forums. The disdain with which Turbine has treated their own players recently sickens me.
    I totally agree, but the worst problem atm is the attitude of some of these people not their actions, meaning they go out of their way to flip sides, start arguments, troll, Threaten to come to peoples houses and do bodily harm (which in and of itself shows the people not only to be cheaters and exploiters but on the edge of being thrugs and felons) and just overall bad conduct. I say if you got beef with me or with anyone else, take it out in the game, or as they would say in boxing, fight it out in the ring. find me and kill me in the moors, but stop this BS flipping to tell me how your gonna come get me cause you don't like my responses when you flip to your disposible creeps and start spamming OOC with inflammatory comments. I know not everyone on this server likes me, I have friends and enemies alike, but one thing I always do (and I suggest others do too) is if someone is spamming OOC or GLFF with virtroil directed towards you.....acknowledge the person with a rebuttal and then put them on chat ignore...I dont believe in flipping to QQ because not only is it immature but shows bad sportsmanship.
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    Fury pot =/= stat glitching

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    Not sure if this is supposed to be a legitimate argument....

    ... or a troll post.

    I don't need to repeat what others have already eloquently said, but there is really no argument to be made here.

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    The stat exploiters have been caught in their own lies again and now must go on the offensive against a new target.

    The Alkhun's Fury Pot glitch was annoying. Just that, annoying.

    Did people use it solely for the slow immunity? Yep.
    Did that slow immunity give them thousands in glitched stat points in order to compete in PvP? Nope.
    Did they use those slow pots to grief 1v1s and general PvP constantly? Nope.

    Not only are the magnitude of these exploits nowhere near the same at all, the fact that one of them had a cooldown and could only be used every two minutes (while also having to be purchased with commendations) while the other can be permanently used and gives much more benefits than a one minute slow immunity.

    I expect glff to be full of your "success" of trolling Dwarrowdelf once you see that this topic has gone downhill from your intentions.

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    TLDR; exploiters justifying their exploits by other shady business is just so lawlsy I feel embarrassed for the o.p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreaverDoomsie View Post
    TLDR; exploiters justifying their exploits by other shady business is just so lawlsy I feel embarrassed for the o.p.
    wtb more of freeverdoomsie in-game lol

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    @smelly my bad, 1 minute slow immunity. When I was writing this I was thinking cc as slow.

    @razz- I beat veenom 1v1 (good fight), you're welcome to try later raz. Just was shocked that a player of such moral standing had to kite me into npcs, use burrow, in a 2v1 gank. Creeps are plenty strong now.

    Guys this thread is a serious post, especially about me finding chips. I will not exploit in a pvp zone because it takes the challenge and fun out of it.

    I'm not saying that both of these exploits are equal in caliber because they certainly are not. I'm not defending the use of such an exploit either. What I am doing is bringing to attention the double standard of some people using an exploit in pvp, then turning around and griefing and posting pics of other people exploiting.

    An exploit is an exploit. Theres no way around it, the fury pot was an exploit and if those people that used it feel so strongly against exploits why did they use it? Because the 1 minute slow immunity it gave was a nice exploit to use.

    Twist it however you guys want, but the fact is still there.

    Belv was plenty killable. There were tons of freeps online, they could of all switched over and all raided up to take him out. Same with creeps, but they didnt. Which is fine, but still. To say that he was unkillable is false.

    Again, exploit is an exploit. To use one then turn around and grief someone for using one is low.

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    This is really sad...the amount of twisted logic you have to resort to justify cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardal View Post
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    Belv was plenty killable. There were tons of freeps online, they could of all switched over and all raided up to take him out. Same with creeps, but they didnt. Which is fine, but still. To say that he was unkillable is false.
    There you go. A 1 minute slow abused by the occasional creep which could be dealt with in a 1v1 anyways, compared to freeps waiting five minutes to flip to creepside, RAID up, and then kill him? Yea. That really is comparable.

    Again, who was defending the use of the Fury pots? Who was railing against them when they were bugged? You weren't. You only brought this up now that you've been caught in your own charade. You can't retroactively bring this up and act like it's relevant to the current discussion.

    I like how you admit to Belv doing it, yet he apparently has no idea what we're talking about. Looks like someone is ashamed of their behavior and someone else isn't. You guys need to talk it over and get your story straight. One admits to it, one doesn't. Shameful.

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    [QUOTE=Cardal;6561721

    Belv was plenty killable. There were tons of freeps online, they could of all switched over and all raided up to take him out. Same with creeps, but they didnt. Which is fine, but still. To say that he was unkillable is false.

    .[/QUOTE]

    This is hilariously stupid... why would we wanna flip tp creep ( which would take 5.min anyways cuz of the lock), raid up to kill one person who will get quite a few kills in the process because his damage is insane due to glitching.. are you thinking before writing down these stupid words? Come on..

    They are nowhere near the same... and what about the ones who havent done any exploits? the fury one wasnt bad, i hardly noticed, and most people didnt get them knowing it was bugged. Not even a comparison and the fact that your trying just escalates your status to theirs in my mind..

    Pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abukia222 View Post
    wtb more of freeverdoomsie in-game lol
    Hell yeah FreeverDoomsie will be out more, once this semester concludes lol

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    Moar TLDR going on that looks mostly of moar horrifyingly sad (aka hilarious) efforts to justify/excuse glitch griefing a server who long ago rejected their childish antics lol. Tell me moar about how much of a martyr you are, troll /WillyWonka

    hueheuhuehue

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    This is the way I feel about all of this stuff:


    Don't care.
    I don't worry about it.
    It affects my life in no way.
    I don't waste sleep over any of it.
    I have better things to think about.
    I won't be thinking about it when I am on my deathbed.

    The Moors is a fun place to hang and I like the people there. See you soon.
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    Incoming delete/lock.

    It's a waste of time typing up walls of text if the thread is just going to get deleted or locked.
    no qq

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrecorded View Post
    Before you talk about something you have to make sure you know what you are talking about, otherwise you will look like a fool for the people that do know the facts.

    You made this thread in an attempt to defend farmers and supposed (supposed because i didn't personally see them glitching stats, only saw it on screenshots of other people) exploiters - because they are your friends - comparing a minor bug with an extreme exploit where they have the ability to have all stats capped, which your friends are being accused of doing. And not only you compared a minor bug with an extreme exploit but you went as far as saying something that isn't true about the minor bug, maybe because you don't know the facts, maybe because you do know but just intended to make the minor bug look more critical and comparable to the stat exploit. The Fury pot never gave 1m cc immunity, after 10s you could still be dazed, rooted and stunned. The only thing that lasted for 1m was the slow immunity.

    I will finish by saying that people who talk about any subject not knowing the facts are far more ignorant than people who don't know anything about the subject but don't talk about it like they knew.
    This^, pretty much my reaction.





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    Also agree with Zulu's post.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardal View Post
    @smelly my bad, 1 minute slow immunity. When I was writing this I was thinking cc as slow.

    @razz- I beat veenom 1v1 (good fight), you're welcome to try later raz. Just was shocked that a player of such moral standing had to kite me into npcs, use burrow, in a 2v1 gank. Creeps are plenty strong now.
    2 Issues Ill address here....

    1) 2 v 1 isnt exactly a gank when your playing the most powerful (or 1 of the 2 most powerful) Freep classes or classes in the game as far as self healing go...theres a reason the amount of minstrels have significantly went up in the moors in the last year or so, and its not because people love their singing.....Also you beating Veenom was more of a class vs. class issue than skill versus skill...your hots are stronger than a weavers dots and alot of that is due to how what effect gear has in this game.

    2) using class skills in an open non scheduled fight is anyones business...and lets get the facts straight, you targeted me the entire time because you wanted to gank me being as im low rank....and going into NPC's has squat to do with Moral fiber, i'm not exploiting anything but playing the game as intended (notice i didnt say within allowable limits but as not originally intended (e.g. rank farming). I'm as appalled as you are that someone with your reputation (albeit good or bad) would lower yourself to the standards of exploiters and cheaters If only in character and in a supporting role, and dare to say that any of whats currently going on is in any way correct or justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardal View Post
    What I am doing is bringing to attention the double standard of some people using an exploit in pvp, then turning around and griefing and posting pics of other people exploiting.

    To use one then turn around and grief someone for using one is low.
    Who else is exploiting? The only people exploiting are the the people everyone knows is exploiting. I won't call out any names, we all know who they are. And the fact that you're stating the people who were accusing them of exploiting were exploiting themselves is just false. Even if you're right, where's your proof? The screenshots in the other thread are ample proof of exploiting. Now you are saying those people are exploiting, yet you present no proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardal View Post
    Belv was plenty killable...... To say that he was unkillable is false.


    You are stating that he "was not unkillable", yet you saw what happened that night. There were at least 3 or 4 creeps on him that night, after you guys interrupted the 1v1s, and he didn't even drop half health. And you seem to forget the small fact that throughout all this, YOU WERE HEALING HIM. Even if the creeps had enough numbers to take him down, they didn't stand a chance with you healing him. Hell, he didn't barely drop any health until Zulu sparred him. And only reason that happened is because you weren't healing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardal View Post

    An exploit is an exploit. Theres no way around it, the fury pot was an exploit and if those people that used it feel so strongly against exploits why did they use it? Because the 1 minute slow immunity it gave was a nice exploit to use.
    Guys, after looking at the logic in this thread, I'd like to admit that my cappy is a repeated exploiter. I have used the skill sure strike, that is increased by 5% by the telling mark legacy. It doesnt SAY it on the legacy, so it must be an exploit.

    Also, any you of you RKs that used Wondrous Foreshadowing when the legacy was extended for some (poor Lyth+Stocky :/) are also exploiters, and should be ashamed.

    *refuses to reread and think about what he actually wrote* (just following the theme of this thread)

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    The following is one of the funniest things I've ever read and also sums up this thread perfectly.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgm1o1 View Post

    Careful you must be, young Lunchboxe. Ignorance is the path to the dark side. Ignorance leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to Farming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomon View Post
    Guys, after looking at the logic in this thread, I'd like to admit that my cappy is a repeated exploiter. I have used the skill sure strike, that is increased by 5% by the telling mark legacy. It doesnt SAY it on the legacy, so it must be an exploit.

    Also, any you of you RKs that used Wondrous Foreshadowing when the legacy was extended for some (poor Lyth+Stocky :/) are also exploiters, and should be ashamed.

    *refuses to reread and think about what he actually wrote* (just following the theme of this thread)
    +rep

    and of course i never called people out over using the pot exploit, just like im not calling people who use an exploit now a fail ect.

    And I brought up an old exploit because the same people that used it are berating someone else using an exploit. Hypocrisy.

    Well razz, i applaud you for using your skills. I'l use my skills too. In fact, tell me how many minstrels are actively out in the moors like there used to be in ror, say compared to wargs and spiders.

    on a side note, I bought me some root beer float ingredients if anyone wants some, just ./tell me in game and i'll make you one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eomon View Post
    Also, any you of you RKs that used Wondrous Foreshadowing when the legacy was extended for some (poor Lyth+Stocky :/) are also exploiters, and should be ashamed.
    My exploiting purity is maintained! I still think it's because Turbine didn't like female players playing rks. Conspiracy, I tell you!
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    All I see is someone trying to defend people who are using a glitch to be superior to everyone else, and someone is trying to defend them with a fury pot glitch that never even worked to much, even the slow immunity still got them killed lmao, End this thread so it can be locked already lol.

 

 
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