I still don't realy understand how dwarves(not dorfs) are lazy and worthless. Yes they're greedy, mainly because of the rings of power given to them, and that's all the happened. Can I remind you all what happened to the human kings? Aside from being the greatest craftsmen in middle earth, rivaled only by the elves of old, last time I checked the dwarves fought a long and extremely costly war in the north that utterly decimated the goblin and Orc population to the point were even 150 years later when the events of lord of the rings took place it was still extremely small and if the war had not been fought the fellowship may never of made it to mordor and the free peoples of middle earth may very well have lost the war. Oh ya and what are the elves doing during all of this? Leaving middle earth leaving the rest of the races to fight the evils of the world them selves? What ancient race is staying despite they're numbers declining? Oh it's dwarves. Also despite the depiction if dwarves nowadays of grouchy drunks, dwarves are not just grouchy drunks despite what people think. They are great craftsmen, great musicians, always good on they're word, great friends if you can earn they're trust, they admire great works of art and beauty in nature, are among the best and hardiest warriors in middle earth. Shall I go on?
Last edited by Skidfar; Dec 23 2012 at 03:40 PM.
Dorf + evil ring made by Sauron = average Dorf without any ring.
Not surprising since Sauron (Aule's chief Maia) almost certainly played a major role in creating Dorfs in the first place.
Read The Hobbit and remind me what a "great friend" Thorin Oakenshield was to Bilbo when Bilbo tried to help the people of Laketown, whose lives had been shattered by Dorf greed. Bilbo being the naïf who the lazy, greedy, cowardly Dorfs terrorized into taking all the risks for them, and the people of Laketown being the ones who (foolishly and selflessly) helped them!
As for being "the best and hardiest warriors in Middle-Earth"...name one major glorious victory - in any age - won by Dorfs. You can't, because there aren't any. It is certainly true that Dorfs will fight fanatically to protect their gold (and nothing else). Their problem is that they always get their fat butts kicked.
Even Hobbits (Battle of the Greenfields, Battle of Fornost) have a more illustrious military history than the hapless Dorfs.
For that matter, read the LotR. During the attack on Chamber of Mazarbul, the fellowship slew 13 orcs before the rest fled. Sam got one. Legolas got two. Aragorn and Boromir slew "many". And Gimli, "among the best and hardiest warriors", hewed the legs out from under one. One. Orc.
For those keeping score that makes:
1 Sam (adorable but brave Hobbit who has never drawn a sword before in his life)
1 Gimli ("best and hardiest warrior race"...no, really)
2 Legolas (prissy Elf)
9 Aragorn and Boromir (valiant Men)
Then during the Battle of Helm's Deep, the Dorf *conveniently* finds his way into a nice, safe cave, the depths of which he somehow finds time to explore while Men are busy waging a life and death struggle to decide the fate of Middle Earth. He then has the brass to emerge - after valiant Men have won the day, of course - and claim to have killed 42 (ROFL) orcs. As if a Dorf could even count that high.
"Best and hardiest warriors"?! Give me a break.
Not Warden material.
Not even close.
Last edited by LagunaD; Dec 24 2012 at 12:37 PM.
A lot of wardens don't want dwarves to be wardens because dwarves are not warden-like (see previous posts). Dwarves shouldn't want to be wardens because wardens are not dwarf-like. To quote the class description:
"Wardens patrol the borders of civilized lands, preventing the encroachment of fell creatures from the Wild. They limit themselves to medium armour to travel swiftly and silently in defence of those they've sworn to protect."
Let me draw a couple points:
1. Wardens are basically the ultimate border patrol. Dwarves don't even really have borders to patrol, as they live in caves.
2. Wardens travel swiftly and silently. Dwarves travel neither swiftly nor silently. Ever.
3. They prevent the encroachment of fell creatures from the wild. Again, dwarves don't patrol the wild. This sounds very much like a ranger or an elf.
With all these, hobbit wardens are definitely a stretch, but the point here is that a dwarf warden doesn't make sense at all.
HAHA I am really enjoying this.
Grow up people there can't be any dwarf wardens because they don't have any qualities that are similar to a warden the true wardens are the Men. And remember Wardens on war steed look like the Rohirrim which pretty cool. So the better actually the Best and awesome wardens are the RACE OF MAN. Even though the king's of Men fell the rangers protected all of middle earth and wardens are one such "rangers" wardens protect the civilized lands.And Aragorn proved it by uniting the free people together against mordor. But anyways Race Of Man were meant to be wardens and they are awesome.
So Hobbits/Elf/Dwarf(A joke) cannot be wardens.
The reason Dwarfs can't be Wardens is simple - Turbine was too lazy to make separate animations for the Dwarf model. They even said so.
So all you man/elf playing mongoloids with low self-esteem can stop caressing your sweet egos about being special.
oh and btw about Dwarfs not being fit to be swift boarder guards... two words for ya - Mithril Guard.
The Mithril Guard's key tasks is keeping the land's boarders and roads safe for the caravans.
Also i know I shouldn't feed the troll, but there is a special place in hell set for history revisionists like LagunaD.
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So this seems to be a sensitive subject, but nevertheless I think that dwarves are cool in their own way and the fact that they can't be warden should be overcome with the fact that they are rune keepers. and they have Awesome Beards. But again, they aren't very stealthy, it's just like how men are susceptible to evil more than the other races.
But I would like to push the point for warden to have Heavy armor. weather they can be dwarves or not.
At least now we know ho to make you all angry. Just so you angry grouchy dwarf-lovers know as well, the reason they started with the Racism is cause you get mad easy...so don't feed the fire and you won't get burned!!....anymore that is.
I get my dwarf to sit on people, then jump up and down on them. they love me for it. and what have you got against hobbit tanks, I think they're the best!! 4 of the best tanks on our server are hobbits, but can't remember much else. however hobbit lore masters is a weird thought.
as for dwarf wardens, that's just fundamentally wrong - wardens are avoidance tanks, guardians are mitigation tanks - any dwarf would be better suited to soaking up damage rather than avoiding it if they had the choice, agility, dexterity and nimbleness aren't their style - they are stout, hardy and get in the way.
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