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    Would anyone support the notion of MC everywhere?

    I can see myself being more efficient in many ways having MC available in all regions of the game. Would be more fun and would make for even more combat practice with the war steed.
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    Thumbs down oh gawd, no!

    The day that happens is the day I unsub and ... throw a tantrum.

    Just for the record, I detest mounted combat to the point I don't have the horse!


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    There is way too much content that was designed and balanced around foot combat, that would be laughably easy mounted, for them to go back and revamp. It'd be great for the feel and lore, but it's not feasible.

    But they certainly could make it so all node harvesting can be done mounted game-wide, and I dearly wish they would.

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    Hjki, voluntary of course.

    HunterGreen, yes that would be some of the points, lore and harvesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marancil View Post
    I can see myself being more efficient in many ways having MC available in all regions of the game. Would be more fun and would make for even more combat practice with the war steed.
    You claim that it would be more fun, but I don't know anyone that prefers mounted combat to their classes on foot. Despite the HD changes, combat without a warsteed is pretty well refined - with a warsteed, and particularly melee classes, you spend most of your time running around in circles, waiting for decent skills to come off cd.

    I'd make an alternative plea - phase out MC everywhere where it is not entirely necessary - Rohan is fine, and makes sense, but other than the Pelennor, lets leave it be.
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    Well I would strongly oppose any phaseout of MC from anywhere. I enjoy it, and it is actually a choice, either you get up on your horse (War Steed) or you don't. You do have a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marancil View Post
    Well I would strongly oppose any phaseout of MC from anywhere. I enjoy it, and it is actually a choice, either you get up on your horse (War Steed) or you don't. You do have a choice.
    Some of its a choice. But when fighting signature mounted uruks (Middlemead quests, in particular), there is no choice, particularly so for melee classes who can't pew pew from a distance - if you don't mount up, you take too much incoming damage and die. Mounted combat or death isn't really a choice.
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    Yes, but you also said that Rohan was fine...granted, no choice there, but then again, one might think it is kinda expected when in an area where most combat is traditionally done on horseback...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marancil View Post
    Yes, but you also said that Rohan was fine...granted, no choice there, but then again, one might think it is kinda expected when in an area where most combat is traditionally done on horseback...
    Its tolerable in Rohan. But I want to see as little as possible of it elsewhere, and I certainly don't want it everywhere.
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    I'd second this. I really wish we'd have mounted combat much earlier than level 75ish-80? (cant remember exact lvl)

    But that doesnt mean its a good idea to have mounted quests everywhere.

    There's so much war steed customization available yet barely any use for a warsteed.
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    The mounted combat is not adjusted to fit in with the game. You ride around shooting and meleeing behind your back. Certain node types can't be accessed mounted even in areas where it should. The skills are terrible for a few classes and dreadfully overpowered for a few others. The numbers appear to be detached from the game and are unintuitive (see fury).
    Despite all these issues, a character becomes unkillable and turns the game into godmode versus anything that doesn't one-shot you.

    I would voice my opinion very strongly in opposition of making MC a bigger part of the game than it already is.

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    I don't think Turbine will allow MC in non-MC areas, because:
    -Such areas are not designed for MC (too many obstacle, only on-foot mobs) and are low-level, so I don't see the point.
    -Some classes like Minstrel has a very wide AoE MC skills. I can imagine them slaughtering with the speed of hooves the entire low-level camps in matter of seconds. Players will certainly abuse this to farm deed, material and reputation, and Turbine doesn't want it too convenient for players.

    The only two things from MC that I want to see from MC in other non-MC areas are:
    -Gathering resource nodes without dismounting.
    -Ability to Dash.

    Both of these used to make their appearance. However, due to players exploiting the Dash buff to access some areas that they are not supposed to, these nice abilities are removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKH View Post
    The only two things from MC that I want to see from MC in other non-MC areas are:
    -Gathering resource nodes without dismounting.
    -Ability to Dash.

    Both of these used to make their appearance. However, due to players exploiting the Dash buff to access some areas that they are not supposed to, these nice abilities are removed.
    I think the node-gathering-from-horseback is available in the areas that were revamped (North Downs, Misties, Trollshaws). I'm not sure if it matters whether you are on your normal steed or your warsteed, but I do seem to recall being surprised at being able to interact with things without having to unmount in North Downs.

    I could be misremembering, but I could'a sworn I was able to do that from horseback in those areas.
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    There seems to be one item that has not been adapted for gathering from horseback and that is the backpack.

    As far as I can recall it always forced me to unmount, even in Rohan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marancil View Post
    There seems to be one item that has not been adapted for gathering from horseback and that is the backpack.

    As far as I can recall it always forced me to unmount, even in Rohan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marancil View Post
    I can see myself being more efficient in many ways having MC available in all regions of the game. Would be more fun and would make for even more combat practice with the war steed.
    If you want to make mounted combat useable everywhere, you need to provide a way to get a war steed when your character is still fairly new. Why make mounted combat available in the Lone Lands or the North Downs if you can't get your war steed until you're 50+ levels above the content level of those areas?

    Having said that, are there reasonable grounds to argue that outside of Rohan there were established practices of mounted combat among the free peoples?

    We can see evidence for mounted soldiers in Gondor (the Swan Knights of Dol Amroth as well as Faramir commanding knights of Gondor in the attempt to recapture and hold Osgiliath, and then retreating back to Minas Tirith before the battle of Pellenor fields), but there is no clear evidence that mounted soldiers of some kind were a significant element to the armies of the elves or dwarves or to the free men of Eriador. We certainly cannot identify an established and continuous military tradition of any sort among hobbits, let alone any traditions of mounted combat (sending a company of hobbit archers to the battle of Fornost in year 1974 of the Third Age and the battle of Greenfields in the Shire in year 2747 of the Third Age, two individual battles 800 years apart, does not represent a strong military tradition). As for the Bounders in the Shire, they were more likely to be dealing with runaway livestock that had wandered off someone's farm than fighting bands of marauding goblins or other dangerous creatures that could threaten the Shire (and the Rangers of the North specifically watched and protected the borders of the Shire in secret to prevent those sorts of things from happening). And before anyone mentions Bilbo talking about the White Wolves that entered the Shire when the Brandywine river froze over, that only happened once.

    Where am I going with this? Mounted combat is not just fighting with a weapon while sitting on the back of a horse. The horses need specialised training for use in combat, but if there is no established tradition of mounted combat within a culture or group of people, they won't know how to properly train the horses for combat use, or how to train the riders to be able to fight effectively while riding a horse. There's also the issue that not all breeds of horses are equally suited for combat use, so a culture or group of people that does not use mounted combat to a significant extent is not going to breed the types of horses that best suit mounted combat.

    If you want to make the argument that mounted combat should be available in all zones of the game, you'll need to make war steeds available at low level so that they can be used in those zones while players are on-level for those zones, but I just don't see sufficient evidence to support the idea that the free peoples living in or near the low level zones understand mounted combat well enough to develop/maintain the knowledge of how to properly train horses and riders for mounted combat, or to breed the right types of horses for mounted combat. Who do the characters learn mounted combat from in a situation like this?

    This is what makes Rohan distinctive compared to the other free people cultures in Middle Earth, the idea that horses in general, and mounted combat in particular, were especially significant to the people of Rohan in comparison with other cultures. In some ways Rohan was a thought experiment by Tolkien on what Saxon culture in Britain might have been like if horses had been more significant to their culture, and if the Saxon armies of the time had used cavalry for more than scouting and light skirmishing.
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    Yep, you are absolutely right. From a Lore perspective your argumentation is correct and from a game perspective your "war steed availability" note also makes sense.

    My suggestion is, given that, ill founded. Just a game feature I would like to see enhanced and expanded.

    However, one could argue that Shire is just an island surrounded by kingdoms and powers (old and new) using mounted combat. Harlindon, Angmar, Arnor, Eregion etc.... We associate horses to Rohan, but the truth is that just about all Kingdoms and Regions make/made use of mounted combat to some extent, Shire, and the Dwarf Lords Seven Kingdoms, being the only exceptions I can think of.

    As for when to make a War Steed available in game, well, we have two regions/locations in the game where war steeds might be relevant according to its historical usage. Both are elvish, one is in Ered Luin (Celondim/Falathlorn) and the other is in Lothlorien. Considering we get the War Steeds just after Lothlorien, I do not see a need to change that.

    One might as well suggest that War Steeds should not ever be made available to Hobbits and Dwarfs since they were hardly ever used in combat by those factions. So much for the Lore...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marancil View Post
    There seems to be one item that has not been adapted for gathering from horseback and that is the backpack.

    As far as I can recall it always forced me to unmount, even in Rohan.
    Which is done by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marancil View Post
    Considering we get the War Steeds just after Lothlorien, I do not see a need to change that.
    No, that's wrong.

    Lothlorien is a lvl 60-60 region.
    Mirkwood and Enedwaith are lvl 60-65 regions.
    Isengard is a lvl 65-75 region.
    Great River is a lvl 70-75 region.

    If anything is to be factually considered, it's that they're gotten just after Great River. You can't get a War-steed until up to 11 levels after the level range of Lothlorien.
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    I was looking at a map, and it is actually not in Great River but in East Rohan (The Wold), so a bit further away from Lothlorien than I originally said.

    As for levels... who mentioned levels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marancil View Post
    As for levels... who mentioned levels?
    I did, because you failed to take them into consideration.

    Simple geographic proximity has nothing to do with region progression.

    • You don't just go from the North Downs to Angmar simply because it's an adjoining region.
    • You don't just go from Evendim to Forochel simply because it's an adjoining region.
    • You don't just go from Eregion to Enedwaith simply because it's an adjoining region.
    • You don't just go from the Gap of Rohan to Westfold simply because it's an adjoining region.

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    We are not talking about region progression.
    We are not talking about changing how to get MC.

    We are talking about the availability of MC features in areas that currently do not support them.
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    YES finally....

    MC was one of the best additions to the game we have ever seen, what a spectacular use of resources it really brought a lot of people in, kept old timers around and enhanced the game for everyone. So yes spread it all over the map, in my estimation the only 2 additions to the game that have been better use of resources are the instance finder and slot machine (presents).

    Thank fully Sapience our prior forum leader explained how it was the PLAYERS who asked for these things, so of course, since you asking you can bet sometime soon the lone lands will be crawling with Rohan war horse !


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mar-Evayave View Post
    I think the node-gathering-from-horseback is available in the areas that were revamped (North Downs, Misties, Trollshaws). I'm not sure if it matters whether you are on your normal steed or your warsteed, but I do seem to recall being surprised at being able to interact with things without having to unmount in North Downs.

    I could be misremembering, but I could'a sworn I was able to do that from horseback in those areas.
    North Downs still dismounts you when harvesting ore nodes. Tried it on warsteed and basic mount and both of them automatically dismounted me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KM3161 View Post
    North Downs still dismounts you when harvesting ore nodes. Tried it on warsteed and basic mount and both of them automatically dismounted me.
    Hm. Maybe it only works with other objects then, like quest objectives? Coulda sworn there was something in ND that I could interact with (with an induction bar and everything) and not get dismounted, that wasn't possible pre-update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mar-Evayave View Post
    Hm. Maybe it only works with other objects then, like quest objectives? Coulda sworn there was something in ND that I could interact with (with an induction bar and everything) and not get dismounted, that wasn't possible pre-update.
    could be, that i don't know. I took my main thru ND yesterday to farm some gold ore for an alt so getting dismounted when mining i am sure of

 

 
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