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    LI DPS diagram - request for data

    Hey,

    I started a little project, namely trying to visualize the legendary weapon dps progression.

    There is a first version that just displays DPS at rank 7 for one handed physical damage weapons.

    Seeing as for 3rd age, each level of item actually exists (although level 69 and 70 ary VERY rare), that doesn't hold true for second and first age weapons, as most of you might be aware.
    I am therefore in the process of showing the appriate data in the second version of the diagram as well, though I am not entirely sure how to do this so it is easily understandable.

    Now, as the titles say, this is still very much work in progress and a lot is left to be done (for one, I plan a direct comparison feature).
    But apart from improving the visual appearance etc, I need more data.

    So, guys, if you could help me with screenshots of all kinds of LIs (1st, 2nd, 3rd age, levels 51 - 75 (soon 85), crystals applied etc.), it would be much appreciated.
    What I would need is two screenshots per item, where the main stat (physical, tactical damage, tactical heal rating, shield use rank or incoming heal rating) is NOT leveled, so you can see the base value (screenshot one: weapon tooltip without points put into it) as well as the tooltip for the main stat (screenshot two: tooltip of main stat, also without points put into, so you see rank 1 - 7).

    Example for both tooltips:

    Also, if you have any suggestions regarding the diagrams itself, feel free to post them.

    Thanks in advance.

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    I've just finished collecting data for a plugin, so here goes:

    One Handers
    - level 55 3rd age: 39,40.1,42.1,44.2,46.5,48.3,50 .1
    - level 60 3rd age: 48.3,50.1,52.0,53.4,54.8,56.2, 57.6
    - level 65 3rd age: 56.2,57.6,59.0,62.0,65.1,68.3, 71.6 (74.9,78.1,81.4)
    - level 70 3rd age: 66.9,70.0,72.9,77.1,79.4,83.6, 87.9
    - level 75 3rd age: 83.6,87.9,91.1,94.4,97.6,100.9 ,104.1 (107.4,110.6 - 113.9 - 117.1,120.4)
    - level 80 3rd age: 127.3,128.8,129.6,130.3,131.1, 131.8,132.6
    - level 85 3rd age: 131.8,132.6,133.3,134.1,134.8, 135.6,136.3 (137.1,137.8,138.6)

    - level 60 2nd age: 50.1,52.1,54.1,55.5,57.0,58.4, 59.9 (61.3,64.4,67.6)
    - level 65 2nd age: 58.4,59.9,61.3,64.4,67.6,71.0, 74.4 (77.8,81.2,84.5)
    - level 75 2nd age: 99.6,103.2,106.8,110.3,113.9,1 17.4,121.0 (124.5,128.1,128.8,129.6,130.3 ,131.1)
    - level 85 2nd age: 136.3,137.1,137.8,138.6,139.3, 140.1,140.8 (141.6,142.3,143.1)

    - level 60 1st age: 52.8,54.8,56.9,58.4,60.0,61.5, 63.0 (64.6,67.8,71.2)
    - level 65 1st age: 61.5,63.0,64.6,67.8,71.2,74.8, 78.3 (81.9,85.4,89.0)
    - level 75 1st age: 128.1,128.8,129.6,130.3,131.1, 131.8,132.6 (133.3,134.1,134.8)

    Two handers
    - level 51 3rd age: 40.7,41.4,42.2,43,44.2,45.5,47 .8
    - level 55 3rd age: 44.2,45.5,47.8,50.1,52.7,54.7, 56.8
    - level 60 3rd age: 54.7,56.8,59,60.6,62.1,63.7,65 .3
    - level 65 3rd age: 63.7,65.3,66.9,70.3,73.8,77.5, 81.1 (84.8,88.5,92.2)
    - level 70 3rd age: 77.5,81.1,84.8,88.5,92.2,95.9, 99.6 (103.3,107.0 - 110.6 - 114.3,118.0)
    - level 75 3rd age: 95.9,99.6,103.3,107.0,110.6,11 4.3,118.0 (121.7,125.4 - 129.1 - 132.8,136.4)
    - level 80 3rd age: 145.6,146,146.7,147.5,148.2,14 9,149.7
    - level 85 3rd age: 149,149.7,150.5,151.2,152,152. 7,153.5 (154.2,155,155.7)

    - level 60 2nd age: 58.8,59.0,61.3,62.9,64.6,66.2, 67.9 (69.5,73.0,76.7)
    - level 65 2nd age: 66.2,67.9,69.5,73.0,76.7,80.5, 84.3 (88.1,92.0,95.8)
    - level 75 2nd age: 115.0,118.8,122.6,126.5,130.3, 134.1,137.9 (141.8,145.6,146.0,146.7,147.5 ,148.2)
    - level 85 2nd age: 153.5,154.2,155,155.7,156.5,15 7.2,158 (158.7,159.5,160.2)

    - level 60 1st age: 59.8,62.1,64.5,66.2,68.0,69.7, 71.4 (73.2,76.8,80.7)
    - level 65 1st age: 67.7,71.4,73.2,76.8,80.7,84.7, 88.8 (92.8,96.8,100.9)
    - level 75 1st age: 145.2,146,146.7,147.5,148.2,14 9.0,149.7 (150.5,151.2,152.0)

    Note:
    Values with crystals are in parenthesis. Shift ranks accordingly.
    - Level 75 2nd ages get shifted two ranks for each crystal applied, hence the 6 values
    - Level 70 & 75 3rd ages (and I assume lvl 66 to 75) get shifted two ranks for the first crystal, one rank for the next, two ranks again for the third crystal (hence the 5 values)
    - All other LIs get shifted one rank per crystal

    PS: all values from the RoR beta on Bullroarer
    Last edited by Equendil; Oct 09 2012 at 10:44 PM.
    [size=1]Freeps (Snowbourn): [b]Equanor (R11 MNS)[/b] - Equendil - Orlo - Equadoc - Quaolin - Oshia - Kaolin - Equaric - Equorn
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    For the legendary items where you have 6 numbers for the 3 crystals. Please remove 3 of the numbers. I am only interested in the actual value after the addiiton of each crystal. The extra intermediate value that you computed that we never see is confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yula_the_Mighty View Post
    For the legendary items where you have 6 numbers for the 3 crystals. Please remove 3 of the numbers. I am only interested in the actual value after the addiiton of each crystal. The extra intermediate value that you computed that we never see is confusing.
    I didn't 'compute' these values and you do see them. Take for instance numbers I posted for two handers:
    - level 75 2nd age: 115.0,118.8,122.6,126.5,130.3, 134.1,137.9 (141.8,145.6,146.0,146.7,147.5 ,148.2)

    A level 75 second age two hander with no crystal will have the following dps rating at rank 1 to 7:
    115.0, 118.8, 122.6, 126.5, 130.3, 134.1, 137.9

    Add one crystal, the DPS rating at rank 1 to 7 becomes:
    122.6, 126.5, 130.3, 134.1, 137.9, 141.8, 145.6

    With three crystals, the DPS rating at rank 1 to 7 becomes:
    137.9, 141.8, 145.6, 146.0, 146.7, 147.5, 148.2
    [size=1]Freeps (Snowbourn): [b]Equanor (R11 MNS)[/b] - Equendil - Orlo - Equadoc - Quaolin - Oshia - Kaolin - Equaric - Equorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equendil View Post
    I've just finished collecting data for a plugin, so here goes [...]
    Most awesome! Thanks a bunch. That will do nicely, though I can't help noticing that it makes even less sense now that I see it than what I imagined.

    I mean, not even the 3rd ages are consistent. I had thought (or hoped, as I already saw a few anomalies) that the ranks where just an effective level higher, but it doesn't work throughout all the levels, as I see there in your data.
    That's most unfortunate.

    Now they also added another complexity on top of all the confusing mess with the crystals and it makes even less sense? I had thought the first crystal on 2nd age 75 was a bug in being a two rank jump. One would at least have been logical, as 3 steps of 3.55 dps would put it just below a first age without a crystal, but no.
    I am half expecting that not even the guys at Turbine are having an idea left how all these numbers are supposed to play together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Equendil View Post
    Values with crystals are in parenthesis. Shift ranks accordingly.
    - Level 75 2nd ages get shifted two ranks for each crystal applied, hence the 6 values
    - Level 70 & 75 3rd ages (and I assume lvl 66 to 75) get shifted two ranks for the first crystal, one rank for the next, two ranks again for the third crystal (hence the 5 values)
    - All other LIs get shifted one rank per crystal
    So that makes lvl 65+ 3rd age essentially gain 5/3 effective level per crystal and 2nd age two. Gotcha, although, as I said, it seems completely unnecessary to do it intricately like that.

    Anyway, thanks again, +rep and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yula_the_Mighty View Post
    For the legendary items where you have 6 numbers for the 3 crystals. Please remove 3 of the numbers. I am only interested in the actual value after the addiiton of each crystal. The extra intermediate value that you computed that we never see is confusing.
    No offense, but I started the thread and I couldn't care less what you are not interested to see.

    I specifically ASKED for the information presented because the diagram is supposed to help me (and others, hopefully) to make some sense of all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNy-lotrolinux-EU View Post
    Most awesome! Thanks a bunch. That will do nicely, though I can't help noticing that it makes even less sense now that I see it than what I imagined.

    I mean, not even the 3rd ages are consistent. I had thought (or hoped, as I already saw a few anomalies) that the ranks where just an effective level higher, but it doesn't work throughout all the levels, as I see there in your data.
    That's most unfortunate.
    Yeah, it's a bit of an ad hoc system this. There's some consistency, but I think there's been a conflict between scaling up for ranks and scaling up for levels using the same 'sliding' values for both. Plus some readjustments come expansions. As a result, Turbine has made legendary items effectively 'jump' 8-10 levels (10 for rating legacies, 8 or 9 for DPS etc, still trying to make sense of it) between level 75 and 76, including third age items. That's on top of previous such 'jumps' (+1 for 2nd ages, +2 for 1st ages since SoA, another +4 and +9 for 2nd and 1st ages respectively at level 75).

    Now they also added another complexity on top of all the confusing mess with the crystals and it makes even less sense? I had thought the first crystal on 2nd age 75 was a bug in being a two rank jump. One would at least have been logical, as 3 steps of 3.55 dps would put it just below a first age without a crystal, but no.
    I am half expecting that not even the guys at Turbine are having an idea left how all these numbers are supposed to play together.
    Well, I wouldn't exclude bugs regarding crystals at this point, I've seen weirder stuff occurring at the release of RoI, with legacies arbitrarily 'skipping' or losing ranks, costs at related ranks doubled or tripled (largely fixed in Update 5 save for a couple hunter legacies).

    Anyway, posting Tactical rating stuff below.
    [size=1]Freeps (Snowbourn): [b]Equanor (R11 MNS)[/b] - Equendil - Orlo - Equadoc - Quaolin - Oshia - Kaolin - Equaric - Equorn
    Creeps (Snowbourn): Veloch (R9 RVR) - Velrow (R10 BA) - Velkro - Oruk - Velrot - Velreth
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    Tactical Damage Rating and Shield Use Rating (identical):
    - level 52 3rd age: 0.75,0.9,1,2,3,4,5
    - level 54 3rd age: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
    - level 55 3rd age: 2,3,4,5,6,7,8
    - level 56 3rd age: 3,4,5,6,7,8,9
    - level 58 3rd age: 5,6,7,8,9,10,11
    - level 60 3rd age: 7,8,9,10,11,12,13 (14,15.1,16.3)
    - level 65 3rd age: 12,13,14,15.1,16.3,17.6,19.1 (20.9,23,25.3)
    - level 70 3rd age: 17.6,19.1,20.9,23,25.3,27.8,30 .4
    - level 75 3rd age: 27.8,30.4,33,35.6,38.2,40.8,43 .4 (46,48.6 - 51.2 - 53.8,54.93)
    - level 76 3rd age: 51.2,53.8,54.93,56.06,57.19,58 .32,59.45 (60.58,61.71,62.84)
    - level 80 3rd age: 58.32,59.45,60.58,61.71,62.84, 63.97,65.1
    - level 85 3rd age: 63.97,65.1,66.23,67.36,68.49,6 9.62,70.75 (71.88,73.01,74.14)

    Note: There seems to be an inconsistency between level 76 and 80 as there's a 'shift' of 5 values where you would expect 4, maybe I forgot I had applied a crystal to the level 80 one, will have to double check.

    - level 60 2nd age: 8,9,10,11,12,13,14 (15,17.6,19.1)
    - level 65 2nd age: 13,14,15,17.6,19.1,20.9,23 (25.3,27.8,30.4)
    - level 75 2nd age: 43.4,46,48.6,51.2,53.8,54.93,5 6.06 (57.19,58.32,59.45,60.58,61.71 ,62.84)
    - level 85 2nd age: 70.75,71.88,73.01,74.14,75.27, 76.4,77.53 (78.66,79.79,80.92)

    - level 58 1st age: 7,8,9,10,11,12,13
    - level 60 1st age: 9,10,11,12,13,14,15 (16,20.9,23)
    - level 65 1st age: 14,15,16,20.9,23,25.3,27.8 (30.4,33,?)
    - level 75 1st age: 58.32,59.45,60.58,61.71,62.84, 63.97,65.1 (66.23,67.36,68.49)


    Tactical Healing
    - level 52 3rd age: 0.75,0.9,1,2,3,4,5
    - level 54 3rd age: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
    - level 56 3rd age: 3,4,5,6,7,8,9
    - level 58 3rd age: 5,6,7,8,9,10,11
    - Level 60 3rd age: 7,8,9,10,11,12,13
    - level 65 3rd age: 12,13,14,15,16,17,18 (19,20,21)
    - level 70 3rd age: 17,18,19,20,21,22,23
    - level 75 3rd age: 22,23,24,25,26,27,28 (29,30 - 31 - 32,32.68)
    - level 80 3rd age: 34.72,35.4,36.08,36.76,37.44,3 8.12,38.8
    - level 85 3rd age: 38.12,38.8,39.48,40.16,40.84,4 1.52,42.2 (42.88,43.56,44.24)

    - level 60 2nd age: 8,9,10,11,12,13,14
    - level 65 2nd age: 13,14,15,16,17,18,19 (20,21,22)
    - level 75 2nd age: 27,28,29,30,31,32,33 (34.04,34.72,35.4,36.08,36.76, 37.44)
    - level 85 2nd age: 42.2,42.88,43.56,44.24,44.92,4 5.6,46.28 (46.96,47.64,48.32)

    - level 58 1st age: 7,8,9,10,11,12,13
    - level 60 1st age: 9,10,11,12,13,14,15
    - Level 65 1st age: 14,15,16,17,18,19,20 (21,22,23)
    - Level 75 1st age: 34,35.4,36.08,36.76,37.44,38.1 2,38.8 (39.48,40.16,40.84)
    [size=1]Freeps (Snowbourn): [b]Equanor (R11 MNS)[/b] - Equendil - Orlo - Equadoc - Quaolin - Oshia - Kaolin - Equaric - Equorn
    Creeps (Snowbourn): Veloch (R9 RVR) - Velrow (R10 BA) - Velkro - Oruk - Velrot - Velreth
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    Incoming Healing Rating has been revised with RoR as it was left a mess with RoI (level 75 tools and runes having equal or worse ratings than at level 65).

    The system differs from other ratings, each rank gets upgraded with level/crystal/age, no shifting of values.

    I'll copy/paste the raw stuff I gathered (rank 1 to 7 horizontally, 0 to 3 crystals vertically):

    - level 53 3rd age
    212,389,565,742,919,1095,1272
    216,396,576,756,936,1116,1296

    - level 55 3rd age
    220,403,587,770,953,1137,1320
    224,411,597,784,971,1157,1344
    228,418,608,798,988,1178,1368
    232,425,619,812,1005,1199,1392

    - level 57 3rd age:
    228,418,608,798,988,1178,1368

    - level 59 3rd age:
    236,433,629,826,1023,1219,1416

    - level 60 3rd age
    240,440,640,840,1040,1240,1440
    244,447,651,854,1057,1261,1464
    248,455,661,868,1075,1281,1488
    253,462,672,882,1092,1302,1512

    - level 60 2nd age
    480,680,880,1080,1080,1480,168 0
    488,691,895,1098,1098,1505,170 8
    496,703,909,1116,1116,1529,173 6
    504,714,924,1134,1134,1554,176 4

    - level 65 3rd age
    260,477,693,910,1127,1343,1560
    264,484,704,924,1144,1364,1584
    268,491,715,938,1161,1385,1608
    272,499,725,952,1179,1405,1632

    - level 65 2nd age
    520,737,953,1170,1170,1603,182 0
    528,748,968,1188,1188,1628,184 8
    536,759,983,1206,1206,1653,187 6
    544,771,997,1224,1224,1677,190 4

    - level 65 1st age
    780,997,1213,1430,1647,1863,20 80
    792,1012,1232,1452,1672,1892,2 112
    804,1027,1251,1474,1697,1921,2 144
    816,1043,1269,1496,1723,1949,2 176

    - level 70 3rd age
    280,513,747,980,1213,1447,1680
    288,528,768,1008,1248,1488,172 8
    292,535,779,1022,1265,1509,175 2
    300,550,800,1050,1300,1550,180 0

    - level 75 3rd age
    300,550,800,1050,1300,1550,180 0
    308,565,821,1078,1335,1591,184 8
    312,572,832,1092,1352,1612,187 2
    320,587,853,1120,1387,1653,192 0

    - level 75 2nd age
    632,895,1159,1422,1422,1949,22 12
    648,918,1188,1458,1458,1998,22 68
    664,941,1217,1494,1494,2047,23 24
    680,963,1247,1530,1530,2097,23 80

    - level 75 1st age
    1020,1303,1587,1870,2153,2437, 2720
    1032,1319,1605,1892,2179,2465, 2752
    1044,1334,1624,1914,2204,2494, 2784
    1056,1349,1643,1936,2229,2523, 2816

    - level 80 3rd age
    356,653,949,1246,1543,1839,213 6
    360,660,960,1260,1560,1860,216 0
    364,667,971,1274,1577,1881,218 4
    368,675,981,1288,1595,1901,220 8

    - level 85 3rd age
    376,689,1003,1316,1629,1943,22 56
    380,697,1013,1330,1647,1963,22 80
    384,704,1024,1344,1664,1984,23 04
    388,711,1035,1358,1681,2005,23 28

    - level 85 2nd age
    784,1111,1437,1764,1764,2417,2 744
    792,1122,1452,1782,1782,2442,2 772
    800,1133,1467,1800,1800,2467,2 800
    808,1145,1481,1818,1818,2491,2 828

    Note:

    As far as I can tell, Incoming Healing Rating is just a linear function based on original ratings (say 240,440,640,840,1040,1240,1440 - 3rd age level 60).
    Last edited by Equendil; Oct 09 2012 at 04:40 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equendil View Post
    Incoming Healing Rating has been revised with RoR as it was left a mess with RoR (level 75 tools and runes having equal or worse ratings than at level 65).

    The system differs from other ratings, each rank gets upgraded with level/crystal/age, no shifting of values.

    I'll copy/paste the raw stuff I gathered (rank 1 to 7 horizontally, 0 to 4 crystals vertically): .
    RoI*, 3* Crystals.

    And thank you for the raw data on healing ratings!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crell_1 View Post
    RoI*, 3* Crystals.

    And thank you for the raw data on healing ratings!
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    OK, thanks again.

    I am not yet sure how to best store the data. Originally, I meant to use the sliding window, but this proves difficult indeed with all the exceptions, jumps and whatnot (see the code if interested how I handle it now).
    What I basically want to avoid is duplication existing values, if at all doable. Will need to think about how to achieve this.

    For now, I cleaned the code up quite a bit, will make it much easier now to add 2handers and class items.
    I also added more of your 1hander data, but it is now quite messy to look at. Will need to add left/right clickable selections now and add the details like dps ranks 1 - 6 and crystals only to those to not overload the overall image with dots and lines.

    If you guys have any ideas to improve this, don't hesitate.

    SNy

    Edit: OK, I think it's not so bad now. Changed the crystal "half" steps to be displayed as such. The lines are now extremely jagged, but it's the data after all. &&&& in, &&&& out.
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  13. #13
    Sorry to bother you again, but 85 3rd age 1hand is missing something.
    It's only R1-R6 and then three values for crystals.

    - level 80 3rd age: 127.3,128.8,129.6,130.3,131.1, 131.8,132.6
    - level 85 3rd age: 131.8,132.6,133.3,134.1,135.6, 136.3 (137.1,137.8,138.6)
    SNy

    Edit: I think rank 5 is missing, the jump is too big, it should be ..., 134.1, 134.(8|9), 135.6, ...
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    Yep, realized that as I processed my data as well, missing rank is 134.8, I checked.

    Also, a correction to what I said: level 77+ items are shifted 9 'effective levels' for all ratings (legacies or DPS etc), level 76 items are only shifted 8 for some reason (hence the noted 'jump' between level 76 and 77).

    Tactical Damage, Tactical Healing and Incoming Healing also appear to be shifted yet another 'level' on level 75 first age LIs.

    I also implemented the new Incoming Healing Rating for my plugin, other than the level shifting here and there, these ratings scale linearly indeed from the original ratings (I used ratings at level 60 and 65 as a reference since they're identical before RoR and on beta).

    Edit: I edited another value somewhere earlier, forgot to note which it was though :/
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    OK, this is a little messed up. I just got a 2nd age lvl 85 Halberd and noticed the DPS was around 153. I leveled up the DPS to rank 7 and saw that it was only around 158. I applied a scroll of renewal because I assumed I saw something wrong. I didn't...

    If this is WAI I don't think I would ever level these up to rank 7 again. I could save 124 points to apply elsewhere and only lose 1.5 DPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PerinStone View Post
    OK, this is a little messed up. I just got a 2nd age lvl 85 Halberd and noticed the DPS was around 153. I leveled up the DPS to rank 7 and saw that it was only around 158. I applied a scroll of renewal because I assumed I saw something wrong. I didn't...

    If this is WAI I don't think I would ever level these up to rank 7 again. I could save 124 points to apply elsewhere and only lose 1.5 DPS.
    This is not such a bad thing in my opinion, it gives you a real option to spend your points elsewhere. Spending all 230 points into weapon ratings was too much of a no-brainer before.
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    Uploaded the RoR edition of my plugin if you want to have a look at data in a processed manner: http://www.lotrointerface.com/downlo...emPlanner.html
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    OK, I added the 2h DPS values for now, cleaned up further and also have a version up to level 85 (li-dps-III) but that looks really silly. Need to think about how do present it better.

    Thanks again for all the data. This will have me pondering for a while yet. :P

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    New version with tactical damage/shield use ratings and tactical heal ratings added. (Also added a note that it is SVG to users of certain browsers.)

    Looks interesting, especially the healing rating being very different from the others.

    Will add the incoming healing rating and bridle fury generation rating later.

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    A great chart

    Really useful thanks for compiling this. Note to other users bows do fit the 2H weapons (or atleast they do for my 1st age lvl 60 bow and 59 second age). I had been using lotro mmorsel great LI spender tool which has more scope but is not so good for comparing when its necessary to switch for a DPS class. I.E. easy to do a lvl60 FA vs 3rd age lvl 65 comparison for DPS.

    so thank you for making our LI choices easier!

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  21. #21
    I finally came around to add a way to select and compare different entries from the graph.

    Enjoy.

    Oh, and if someone could send me data for 85 first age stuff, that would be awesome.

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    So if I am reading these graphs correctly..

    Would an investment of a few gold at level 60 for a reforged 2nd age weapon that is not replaced until say level 70 or 75, be a better investment then grinding out 3rd agers every few levels from the same 60-70 or 75 range?

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    Could be.

    You can get a level 60 first ager just by running Turtle (Filikul) six days in a row on one character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyadra View Post
    So if I am reading these graphs correctly..

    Would an investment of a few gold at level 60 for a reforged 2nd age weapon that is not replaced until say level 70 or 75, be a better investment then grinding out 3rd agers every few levels from the same 60-70 or 75 range?
    If that is your conclusion, then it appears that you are, in fact, not reading these graphs correctly.

    For starters, the error is in assuming there actually was any investment into 3rd agers while leveling. There is none. Use the highest level LI available to you, throw it away ASAP. Rinse, repeat.
    Investment of some sort would be needed for lower level, earlier age to try and keep up with what a higher level 3rd age would be capable of, and it would be a wasted one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNy-lotrolinux-EU View Post
    If that is your conclusion, then it appears that you are, in fact, not reading these graphs correctly.

    For starters, the error is in assuming there actually was any investment into 3rd agers while leveling. There is none. Use the highest level LI available to you, throw it away ASAP. Rinse, repeat.
    Investment of some sort would be needed for lower level, earlier age to try and keep up with what a higher level 3rd age would be capable of, and it would be a wasted one.

    SNy
    Then what you are saying is...pre level 85 there really is no reason to make any investment at all into acquiring anything except a 3rd age weapon. Once you hit 85 (or whatever the level cap is) then it might make some sense into acquiring one.

    It makes sense to me.

 

 
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