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  1. #676
    Shelob was said to be the last child of Ungoliant to trouble an unhappy world.

    I'm not sure I would characterize Ungoliant (or Shelob) with the "Nature" descriptor however.
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  2. #677
    Then perhaps the 'River-woman's daughter' Goldberry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Shelob was said to be the last child of Ungoliant to trouble an unhappy world.

    Shelob is correct, congratz!

    Nature - can refer to any natural thing, which includes spiders - I'm sorry this was so hard I couldn't think of perhaps a better word to use that wouldn't have made it obvious that I was talking about a spider!

  4. #679
    Oh, I totally agree that spiders are part of the natural world. No issues there from my perspective. I was uncertain about Ungoliant because I understood her to be more akin to an evil spirit of darkness in spider form.

    Anyway, I liked the question, particularly the use of the ambiguous "issue." I will try to post the next riddle later today.
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  5. #680
    Ok, here is the next one:

    Muddled Noggin (S)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Ok, here is the next one:

    Muddled Noggin (S)
    Just to clarify, that last part is a third word/clue?

    'What are you going to do then?' asked Pippin, undaunted by the wizard's bristling brows.
    'Knock on the door with your head, Peregrin Took,' said Gandalf.
    Okay technically it didn't happen, but I couldn't resist...
    Today is a good day for Pie.

    Do not meddle in the affairs of Burglars, for they are subtle and quick to shank you.

  7. #682
    The last bit is in fact part of the clue (and stands in for third word for purposes of the riddle format).

    But for that third element I might be compelled to hand you the riddle stick. However, all three elements matter and so I must say no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Ok, here is the next one:

    Muddled Noggin (S)
    Would this have something to do with the 'S' rune Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas found on the helms of some of the orcs that slew Boromir and captured Merry and Pippin?
    Today is a good day for Pie.

    Do not meddle in the affairs of Burglars, for they are subtle and quick to shank you.

  9. #684
    No. Good idea though.

  10. #685
    BTW, Urias = Vilnas
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    Maybe when Saruman was trying to confuse the group confronting him at Orthanc with his creepy voice powers?
    Today is a good day for Pie.

    Do not meddle in the affairs of Burglars, for they are subtle and quick to shank you.

  12. #687
    No. I don't think it would be fair of me to muddle your noggins by shorthanding Saruman to (S). That isn't customary. Besides, in that case the clue would have needed to read "Muddled Noggins (S)" because there were multiple listeners.
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  13. #688
    Quote Originally Posted by Urias View Post
    No. Good idea though.
    Just realized that my "good idea" was misleading, in that it suggested that the (S) = Saruman. Sorry about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Ok, here is the next one:

    Muddled Noggin (S)
    Vilnas, thanks again for coming back. Your participation always stirs the grey matter (and so ends some of the muddling).

    Here's my guess:

    Golfimbul's head after it ended up in a rabbit-hole when Bandaboras (Bullroarer) Took knocked it clean off with a club (thereafter known as a "driver") at the Battle of Greenfields, .
    "Just like Mary Shelly, Just like Frankenstein, Break your chains, And count your change, And try to walk the line"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Vilnas, thanks again for coming back. Your participation always stirs the grey matter (and so ends some of the muddling).
    I hear when stirring your grey matter, it's important to scrape the sides to ensure consistency and reduce lumps...

    Still stirring and pondering on my next guess...
    Today is a good day for Pie.

    Do not meddle in the affairs of Burglars, for they are subtle and quick to shank you.

  16. #691
    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Vilnas, thanks again for coming back. Your participation always stirs the grey matter (and so ends some of the muddling).

    Here's my guess:

    Golfimbul's head after it ended up in a rabbit-hole when Bandaboras (Bullroarer) Took knocked it clean off with a club (thereafter known as a "driver") at the Battle of Greenfields, .
    Thank you for the kind words. I have missed this group.


    As for your solution, alas I do not see how you are addressing all three elements of the clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Thank you for the kind words. I have missed this group.


    As for your solution, alas I do not see how you are addressing all three elements of the clue.
    It's great to have ya back Vil and see that you ain't lost your touch!

    Have to admit this one is really trippin me up especially the third bit.

    Too early to ask for a hint?
    Today is a good day for Pie.

    Do not meddle in the affairs of Burglars, for they are subtle and quick to shank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Thank you for the kind words. I have missed this group.


    As for your solution, alas I do not see how you are addressing all three elements of the clue.
    Yeah, I realized I was on the wrong track a few hours after I posted that guess.
    I was misled by a search that was based on a hunch that you were inserting a bit of crossword trickery. I am still befuddled (if not muddled) by the (S) portion of the clue.
    I shall endeavor to persevere...
    "Just like Mary Shelly, Just like Frankenstein, Break your chains, And count your change, And try to walk the line"

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    Since (S) does not equate to Saruman, maybe it does equate to Smeagol.

    If that is the case then perhaps you are referring to the double personality (muddled noggin) of Gollum/Smeagol.
    "Just like Mary Shelly, Just like Frankenstein, Break your chains, And count your change, And try to walk the line"

  20. #695
    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Since (S) does not equate to Saruman, maybe it does equate to Smeagol.

    If that is the case then perhaps you are referring to the double personality (muddled noggin) of Gollum/Smeagol.
    Sorry, but no. The (S) has a very particular usage that I hope the group will agree is not a trick or guesswork once the connection is made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urias View Post
    Sorry, but no. The (S) has a very particular usage that I hope the group will agree is not a trick or guesswork once the connection is made.
    So perhaps the (S) is a symbol or a marking of some sort? Just tossing some more guessin out there that might help some others. .
    Today is a good day for Pie.

    Do not meddle in the affairs of Burglars, for they are subtle and quick to shank you.

  22. #697
    It is not an abbreviation of a character or place, nor is it a symbol or a marking. It is, however, a customary usage to denote something in a particular context. If it helps, certain other letters can be used in the same way, although this riddle relies on (S).
    Last edited by Vilnas; Apr 14 2014 at 01:55 AM.
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  23. #698
    Since I will be leaving on vacation in a few days, I had better help move this along a little bit. The (S) is a notation.
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  24. #699
    Last hint. The riddle could just as easily have been

    Muddled Noggin (K)

    or

    Muddled Noggin (Q)

    and in both cases the answer would have been different.
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  25. #700
    I believe your last clue has finally shed some light on this puzzle. Assuming that (S) would be for Sindarin [and thus (Q) could be for Quenya and (K) for Khuzdul]:

    Muddled Noggin -> Cloudy Head -> Fanuidhol (Sindarin)

    The Khuzdul answer would likely have been Bundushathûr (same mountain).

    I’m not enough of a linguist to know what the answer could be in Quenya.
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