Noble mark needs to stay as is - it's absolutely necessary for a LoM tank captain.
Maley Oakensage, Captain of Landroval
Alas Elendilmir, may you *jingle jangle* forever in the Forgotten West
Perhaps a whole new mark then, call it the Mark of Victory, that does the power heal.
Thankfully a Captain was my first toon so I didn't know how bad I had it
I guess I shouldn't really weigh in on captain power issues while leveling but at endgame my power issues have pretty much been resolved by Now for Wrath + Rally Cry cooldown legacy. I can recall using the Victory herald quite a bit while leveling though. His herald heal should give you a bit of power which is nice.
Blade of Elendil is being given a revision for RoR so I don't see changes to that happening and I think our marks are pretty good as is. Maybe they could just do an easier curve to the increases in our skill costs (lowering costs at lower levels and increasing them till they hit where they're currently at at higher levels).
So I am a premium player who is yet to invest resources into unlocking trait slots. I have the Path of the Fellowship package, where I plan to level up.
Thing is, I've hit this spot, at L35, where can't really go into the Trollshaws because even single trolls are too strong for me to take down solo, and the only unlocked below-level content that I have left are Garth Agarwaen fellowship quests where I usually get swarmed.
Is it feasible to tacke this by grinding ~5 levels in skirmishes, or should I try to unlock my slots right away (I've been holding off, because I want to be able to advance some crafting levels during the VIP month).
Neither. Trollshaws doesn't have enough content. You basically require either Evendim or North Downs these days. Evendim is best. And really your going to want Forochel to get you from Evendim to Erigon.
The patch of the fellowship quest packs don't give you remotely enough content to get you to moria on it's own, mostly because Trollshaws is a junk zone. It could have zero quests and it would make little difference in practise.
In fact if it wasn't for the need to go through it to reach erigon most players would probably never go there at all.
Yes, it is feasible to fill in gaps in questing with skirmishing. If I were trying to conserve funds and I were planning on going VIP for a month down the road, I'd hold off on unlocking traits too. That said, you want to get those unlocked by the time you pick up the legendary IDOME, as the boost is a fairly nice landmark while leveling.
I was planning to unlock when I reach ~60, so that I can get some guild advancement and levels beyond what's available in Lothlorien content. Also by then I can hopefully stockpile some guild items to use. Not sure whether that's feasible, or how much fun it's going to be -- so I might just unlock earlier (I have a boxed SoA copy sitting at home whenever I decide I feel like it). I'm not on a particularly stringent budget, but I'd like not to spend more than I have to.
Speaking of virtues: you get +2 Loyalty from questing in the Trollshaws. I personally like Loyalty because it gives the 5th most amount of Tactical Mitigation, as well as other things. Nor do I like the virtue that gives the 4th most Tact mit. Having seen in practice how much finesse Orthanc bosses have (30+% on T2 Bukot, for example), I am disillusioned with the virtues that load you up with resist (but I'm sure those are great for the moors).
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As Omen says, you can do it, it's just not recommended. Realistically Erigon is best left till around 45. My own levelling path, ( i have all zones so it's easy for me to do this btw), jumps from Evendim end to a mix of misty mountains, Angmar, and what little Trollshaws content there is. Then around 44 i hit Forochel. Run off and do Moria intro epic at level 45, run back and finish up in Forochel around 47-49. Then hit Erigon till low 50's, (52-53). You can with the new Moria, (just been through it with a champ very recently), you can hit 60 without doing anything outside the revamped area beyond the Epics and the stuff out of the Twentyfirst Hall. Then you can jump to Dimrill and do as you please from there.
It's possible that if you did enough of lower moria, (redhorn, flaming Deeps, and Foundations of Stone), that you could hit 65, or more by end of Dimril Dale.
However it IS possibble to go straight from Evendim tio Forochel, the quests will be mostly Orange so it's not easy, but very doable.
Last edited by Darth_Carl; Sep 10 2012 at 02:40 PM.
I have three characters (captain, champion, guardian -- yes, you can tell I like heavy armor :P), so I guess one way to do it is to take them all into the low 30s, open up VIP for a month, and use the time to have them all Moria ready (with possibly another VIP month to do crafting guilds and take them to level cap where necessary).
I guess any thoughts on this would be welcome, since I'm a bit unsure how to go about this.
For the Trollshaws, there aren't a ton of quests, but there are a few in certain short level ranges. At level 32, there are a few quests at Barachen's camp. At a certain point, the quest chain here turns into a full fellowship quest chain, so you will need to team up with some friends to complete it on level. At level 35ish, you can do some quests in Rivendell. There is a quest chain starting with Bilbo Baggins inside the Last Homely House, and it is pretty fun. Around level 36-37, there are a few quests at Thorenhad. These aren't all that exciting, but they are doable solo. Then at 40 I suggest you try to do all of the quests in Tal Bruinen (at Echad Candelleth). These quests are quite fun. The quest to kill 4 trolls requires a group, but the rest are soloable. Also, they award a nice 3-piece gear set.
Don't forget the epic quests. Book 3 (meant for level 35) is in the North Downs, and it is pretty quick. Book 4 (37-40) is in the Trollshaws. Book 5 takes you to the Misty Mountains at level 40-41.
At level 39, make sure to purchase the 3 Legendary Books from your class trainer to start earning your legendary traits. They send you to talk to someone in Rivendell, and then you need to collect pages that randomly drop from humanoid mobs in the Misty Mountains, Forochel, Angmar, Eregion, and Moria. Mobs in the Misty Mountains and Forochel will drop half of the pages; mobs in Angmar and Eregion will drop the other half. Mobs in Moria can drop any, but you should be long finished by the time you get there.
If you are VIP, I recommend doing as many quests as you can from the Gloin's camp hub in the Misty Mountains after you have finished the Echad Candelleth quests in the Trollshaws. You can do these concurrently with Book 5.
Book 6 is in Angmar for the mid-40s, but it isn't really hard under level (maybe do it at 42 or 43). If you are VIP, you can do a bunch of Angmar quests in the low-40s without too much agony. After that, they start to require a group, and groups can be tough to find in Angmar because not too many people like to quest there nowadays.
If you can get to 45, then you can do the Volume 2 book 1 epic quest for your legendary items in Eregion. This is pretty easy at 45, and it doesn't spoil the story for Volume 1 at all. Also, at 45 you can pick up a class quest to earn the aforementioned IDOME trait. This should get you to 46.
At this point you ought to be able to run through Eregion, which should get you 2 to 3 levels.
Then in the high 40s, you can do as many epic quests as you want. The rest of Volume 1 is meant for 48-51 and there are a ton of quests, and they are all free!
So, since you don't have all the zones now, the tricky part is between 32 and 45. If you want to get a VIP account for those levels, it should work just fine. If not, I recommend buying Evendim and Angmar, but beware that you might hate Angmar because it can be quite unfriendly to solo players after you move to its eastern half.
I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. ~ Faramir
Undo the U12 class changes. The trait trees were, are, and will always be a bad idea.
Maedhric 100 Captain, Nunion 93 Champion, Taraviel 85 Minstrel, etc...
Thanks for the rest of the hints, they are useful. While I'm still bringing up my champion and guardian (low 20s right now), I've pretty much hit a stone wall with the captain at 35. I've done the main quest line all the way to Glorfindel's stone, as well as some quests in Barachen's camp and Thorenhand. Also finished the quest line with Bilbo in Rivendell, that was a lot of fun.
The problem is, I've hit a spot where pretty much all remaining quests in Barachen's Camp and in Thorenhand ask me to go into areas with heavy troll presence, and can't take the trolls on-level. Turns out, I can't take Garth Agarwen solo either (neither the outside part, nor the instance), even if I outlevel them by ~3 levels. I guess grouping in GA may bring in some XP (I've got about a dozen of quests to finish there), but I doubt it will fill the entire gap you're talking about. And not being in a kinship doesn't help, either.
I assume it may be possible to do trolls easily (I manage to take one to half or 40% of his life) if I was able to slot the full set of virtues (more mitigations, therefore more survivability). However, if I unlock my characters, I'll also have access to the extra quests for a month, so that point is kind of moot.
Also, I just got myself SoA boxed edition for ~$7 (and it comes with 1 month VIP), so I will use this before considering purchasing straingth VIP time. And even then, I may go out and get a boxed Moria for the extra perks (even if I have the quests already from the Mithril Edition).
I guess I'm rambling -- I should stop now
The hardest part here is that Forochel and Evendim are very loaded with deeds. if your going to skip Misty Mountains and Angmar you really need those for the virtues if you want to do serious endgame grouping. The chance that you could get several characters through those and complete those deeds all within a couple of month's isn't high. Saving your in game TP's and getting them really is advised.
Thats the Epic quests stuff which has nothing to do with the rest .Weren't these revamped? I've ran into a couple of quests in the main line where I can get "inspiration" (typically buffing me from ~1600 to about 8k morale), so I assume these are full fellowship quests that were altered for solo play.
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