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    Quote Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk View Post
    I must have left all of my 'up-streight' replies in my other pocket. And you asked a question? All I saw was a red herring.



    The PvP armor set bonuses for Hunt do kinda suck.
    you changed your sig to a 44 runekeeper (edit: r1 defiler?) to avoid people calling you our on the truth....

    your main is a r13 uber l33t 4.5 star mini......congrats on deceptiveness... i give you a 6.7 socre

    my questions:
    why can a sub-par geared mini be effective in the moors while sub-par hunters fall flat?
    why do i have to have a boring gear grind in a game to be effective? isnt the point of games to have fun and get stuff at the same time?



    to swift (edit: i see you edited it out.... ???) i preditced this flop because really if a class is at rest.. it tends to stay at rest........ without a major change here in the forums (escelation of QQ) or mass exodus of hunters..... things will putter on as they have always.... that is.... badly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lendas View Post
    you changed your sig to a 44 runekeeper (edit: r1 defiler?) to avoid people calling you our on the truth....

    your main is a r13 uber l33t 4.5 star mini......congrats on deceptiveness... i give you a 6.7 socre

    my questions:
    why can a sub-par geared mini be effective in the moors while sub-par hunters fall flat?
    why do i have to have a boring gear grind in a game to be effective? isnt the point of games to have fun and get stuff at the same time?



    to swift (edit: i see you edited it out.... ???) i preditced this flop because really if a class is at rest.. it tends to stay at rest........ without a major change here in the forums (escelation of QQ) or mass exodus of hunters..... things will putter on as they have always.... that is.... badly.
    Your 'socre' might mean more if I was under the impression you could count. Or if you didn't secretly agree with me and are making every effort to assert my posts with the crudest of irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk View Post
    Your 'socre' might mean more if I was under the impression you could count. Or if you didn't secretly agree with me and are making every effort to assert my posts with the crudest of irony.
    begun the flame wars have.

    your dancing around the question (hmmmm where have i seen this before)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk View Post
    And you asked a question? All I saw was a red herring.
    Protip: If you're gonna troll, don't do it in a fashion in which I can retort via previous posts.
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    i think logic and composure have officially broken down

    (hits restart button)

    ok.... please respond to the following questions:

    my questions:
    1 why can a sub-par geared mini be effective in the moors while sub-par hunters fall flat?

    2 why do i have to have a boring gear grind in a game to be effective? isnt the point of games to have fun and get stuff (to have more fun) at the same time?

    and please dont throw more personal insults or dance around the question. no irrelivant stuff please.

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    ERROR: ignore this post

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    error: please ignore this too. very sorry.... having probelms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lendas View Post
    i think logic and composure have officially broken down

    (hits restart button)

    ok.... please respond to the following questions:

    my questions:
    1 why can a sub-par geared mini be effective in the moors while sub-par hunters fall flat?

    2 why do i have to have a boring gear grind in a game to be effective? isnt the point of games to have fun and get stuff (to have more fun) at the same time?

    and please dont throw more personal insults or dance around the question. no irrelivant stuff please.
    C'mon Lendas, you know the answer as well as anyone, even if the Minstrel refuses to answer.

    Mini = OP / / / Hunter = Far below par

    The top 1% of Hunters have the super-top everything gear with 3 crystals and are mouse-turning Gods with armor swap macros, have a large amount of TP to buy store consumables with, and so on.

    The rest of the 99% either do not have top gear, cannot mouse-turn for some reason, does not have 3 crystals, nor the macros, nor the store-bought items, or a combination of any of the above.

    The Minstrel does not need such clear-cut, distinct advantages to be competitive in the Moors, while a Hunter does.

    As one of your pictures earlier stated, I am the 99%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lendas View Post
    ERROR: ignore this post
    You probably should have employed this simple logic the minute you saw PhantomPunk post, you'll waste more time replying to his nonsense then keeping up this well constucted QQ narrative.

    -rep
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    I'm posting here to gain a better understanding of where the OP is coming from. First, some background. In addition to the LM in my sig I have a level 73 hunter. I am also pretty well strictly PvE. When I saw the hunter dev diary, I thought it looked pretty decent, so was a bit surprised when I saw a very unhappy post by the OP in the discussion thread.

    Now, I understand the OPs frustration is with how the hunter fairs in the moors. I do sympathize a bit because recent changes (audacity) have not been friendly to lore-masters either (I was starting to try out the 'moors on my LM, but not since audacity). I have two honest questions which I ask with all due respect.

    First, is the hunter in trouble in the 'moors in group play, or strictly solo? This question is not intended to trivialize the issue, just illuminate.

    Second, I believe that the majority of players in this game are PvE and PvE has always been the primary focus of development, so why would you expect major PvP updates? Again, I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to see the issue from a different perspective than my own.

    Thank you for indulging my curiosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcor View Post
    I'm posting here to gain a better understanding of where the OP is coming from. First, some background. In addition to the LM in my sig I have a level 73 hunter. I am also pretty well strictly PvE. When I saw the hunter dev diary, I thought it looked pretty decent, so was a bit surprised when I saw a very unhappy post by the OP in the discussion thread.

    Now, I understand the OPs frustration is with how the hunter fairs in the moors. I do sympathize a bit because recent changes (audacity) have not been friendly to lore-masters either (I was starting to try out the 'moors on my LM, but not since audacity). I have two honest questions which I ask with all due respect.

    First, is the hunter in trouble in the 'moors in group play, or strictly solo? This question is not intended to trivialize the issue, just illuminate.

    Second, I believe that the majority of players in this game are PvE and PvE has always been the primary focus of development, so why would you expect major PvP updates? Again, I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to see the issue from a different perspective than my own.

    Thank you for indulging my curiosity.
    YES! thank you very much for posting with such high quality! (no sarcasm intended... really well written, well though out, an example to all on what a good post is. )


    1: it affects hunter solo play greatly but also affects hunter group play....
    we are very burdend by inductions and our only skill that prevents damage-knockback lasts at best 30 seconds and does not solve the problem of our foes running though us (and we need to face our target when the induction fires off)

    we also are burdend with being the #1 target for all creeps... since we are easy to kill and have no effective way to counter creep damage or a real panic button (NO cry of hunter is not a panic button... the bubble is a complete joke that will buy 1-3 seconds of time at best)

    we are also burdend with the fact that creeps now very effectivly mitigate and avoid our damage.... since audacity was intrduced we have lost a load of effectivness because our DPS (practicly our only application) no longer has the BOOM impact it had pre-audacity.... something that is very important to a class that dies very quick anyway

    we are also unfortunate to be in the middle of a perfect storm of sorts when it comes to debuffs and skills that creeps have to counter us.... BA MT..... spider burrows..... warg sprint/dissapear.... defiler flies and the ranged damage debuff.... multiple induction and interrupt debuffs...... the list goes on... all these skills have a much more profound effect on hunter since any skill that a creep has that increases the time they can stay alive is ever more effective against a class that relies on burst damage..


    we are also unfortunate that if a target breaks line of sight.... we have 2 choices..... run or go up to them.... both often result in 0 ren/comm gain....




    2: PVE is also affected....

    cry of hunters will be VERY effective in LANDSCAPE but little effect everywhere else...

    Hunters have very little utility beyond our dps (which ranks #2 on raid damage behind red traited burgs) and so while other classes enjoy off roles (burg can dps, cc, and debuff all at once) we have only fail CC that requires a loss of DPS (rain of arrows focus cost.... yellow traiting takes away dps traits, 10sec daze thats just that if not 5 deep yellow line)


    many issues hunters face in the moors carry over to PVE (low survival.... low utility.... induction barred... low mobility.... etc)




    again thank you for your great post... if only everyone could have posts like that we would actually get somewhere and avoid the flame wars...


    speaking of flame wars.. my next episode is coming out!

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    Episode 6: A New Nerf
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    Sometime shortly pre-Update 7...



    Count Devu..... the Hunters have amassed huge amount of DPS...


    i am afraid that Hunters have become viable in the moors!



    Thats impossible.... how could Hunter become viable so quickly?



    I dont know... but they are still as squishy as ever. we must do something about their DPS!
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    we must send all avalible wargs... into battle!


    It is too balanced....


    I am sending my reavers to hide in Gramsfoot...


    I will take the plans for Audacity with me. they will be safe with my master.

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    ... If the Hunters figure out what we are planning to implement, their QQ will have us done for...


    Pantience and faith... my friend.... we will be feasting on Hunter-flesh. they will soon lose their DPS advantage...


    Devu.....


    Master Lendas..... How plesent of you to cammogank me...

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    i have already defeated two of your hunters.... and now it is time for you...



    NOW FEAR MY QQ!!!





    More powerful... the Hunter QQ remains...

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    We shall see.....



    You cannot win Devu... We are finally Balanced enough to kill you... as you can kill us...



    dont be so sure....


    Devu escapes with the help of a "Purchased" brand and some tier 8 "purchased" morale pots


    ... map me to Gramsfoot Command..... warg sector.....

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    After a short Induction


    Master purebloodnak... i have the plans....


    gooooood...... gooooood.... everything is as i have foreseen it.....


    at last Hunter will finally be almost completely broken.... and we will feast on their infamy...


    yeeeesss...... and i will soon have a blacker and much more awsome warg skin....
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    I will make sure Hunter stays broken while we bloat ourselves on their pathetic remains...


    Master... what if the Hunters intesify their QQ?


    Be at ease Devu.... i will turn the Hunters to the Creep side ....where they will play BA's for me ...


    ...and i will ensure that no meddling with hunter will ever make them viable in the moors again!

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    Execute Order U7




    NEXT TIME: Hunter-man returns to find the exact point where Hunter fell from grace! (errrr....viablilty)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk View Post
    This is an MMO. If you don't want to grind gear, you may be in the wrong place. I've a Hunter too. Who apparently succeeds where you don't.



    This best gear in the game you speak of is more accessible now than it ever has been. Most of the Orthanc T2C stuff doesn't compare to Limlight. You strike me as misinformed, among other things.

    funny i feel the same about yur posts. is your hunter rank 13 also? lemme guess you play your mini more for the challenge because your hunter is too OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk View Post
    This is an MMO. If you don't want to grind gear, you may be in the wrong place. I've a Hunter too. Who apparently succeeds where you don't.



    This best gear in the game you speak of is more accessible now than it ever has been. Most of the Orthanc T2C stuff doesn't compare to Limlight. You strike me as misinformed, among other things.
    Cool didnt know you could get farron armor etc from limlight as well as 1st age weps thanks for enlightening us sure you can get some jewelery but you need it all.... try again...

    Now next questions to prove how misinformed you are. Explain your hunters success please.. or perhaps just give the name so we can see your stats.

    You beat BA's on a regular basis right?
    high rank spiders? im sure you whoop them too.
    how about defilers and wl's above rank 8
    and umm oh ya wargs rank 8 or more flayer you probably have never lost a fight from the sounds of your last post.

    how do you do when pounce knock down or toppled win all those too right?

    lets ask the same questions about your mini... and does your mini require store bought items to compete? i know the answer already but ill give you the chance to answer.

    Now i know we wont get any real numbers from you because numbers dont lie people do and you avoided answering the question from the previous post.

    I have top end gear and i struggle to win i have room to improve but currenty it also takes every buff from food store bought stuff etc to compete 1v1 which are the ones where creeps dont hold back on skills.. I do feel i can beat high rank creeps 1v1 as i am close but the point is minis champs burgs wardens etc dont need to buy everything in sight to do it... stop your dillusional &&&& and bs..

    anyways i cant wait for you to answer the questions above I might even stay up late to wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therealwhizzy View Post
    Cool didnt know you could get farron armor etc from limlight as well as 1st age weps thanks for enlightening us sure you can get some jewelery but you need it all.... try again...
    He specifically wrote ToO T2C. You dont need to do ANY T2C to get the armor sets (tier 1) or Worn EK Symbols (Tier 2 normal mode). On the other hand there are jewellery that cannot be obtained unless you do T2C and most of that jewellery are worse than Limlight - Cuguringor, Alabaster Shard, Celloch. Only Gweluechor (and Olloch but its T2NM) "survived" Update 6 as I see it.

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    Lendas,

    Give it a rest mate! I'm see you whining in the Guardian forums and now whining here, and I'm getting sick of it. As you say this game is meant to be fun and yet here you are bashing changes that some of us are really looking forward to!

    Your complaining (while comical) is not going to achieve anything right now. Lets see what further tweaks need to be made post launch, as the devs always say: all information presented is subject to change.

    If you really think the hunter is broken then dont play one, go roll something else! It doesn't sound like you are having any fun, but dont ruin our *fun* by constantly putting down a class that some of us love to play! Give it up,walk away, go find your "happy place".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrantiri View Post
    He specifically wrote ToO T2C. You dont need to do ANY T2C to get the armor sets (tier 1) or Worn EK Symbols (Tier 2 normal mode). On the other hand there are jewellery that cannot be obtained unless you do T2C and most of that jewellery are worse than Limlight - Cuguringor, Alabaster Shard, Celloch. Only Gweluechor (and Olloch but its T2NM) "survived" Update 6 as I see it.
    How long would you say it took the average player to beat sauraman? to acquire the full set of armor or get a 1st age?

    the point isnt even about the gear the point is a mini etc doesnt need all that to compete a hunter does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therealwhizzy View Post
    How long would you say it took the average player to beat sauraman? to acquire the full set of armor or get a 1st age?

    the point isnt even about the gear the point is a mini etc doesnt need all that to compete a hunter does.
    That has absolutely nothing to do with what Phantompunkk wrote. He wrote the best gear is more accessible than ever and that is absolutely correct. Normally the best jewellery would require you to raid, this isn't the case with Limlight jewellery. Get 2 of the lvl 72 bracelets with morale, vitality and crit, necklace (crafted/ox camp barter) and you're pretty much good to go on the jewellery side.

    The gear isn't the problem. The concept of the LotrO Hunter, killing stuff before it even reaches you, just does not work that well for the moors. It pretty much only has 2 scenarios, either the hunter is very good and reaps insane amounts of renown or the hunter is weak and don't get to kill stuff before they get killed themselves. That leaves almost zero space for the players that are in-between.

 

 
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