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    Watch Out. Your Rating is in Jeopardy

    Bring your friends. Don't come out without cds. And, if you pounce me, you better make sure you have backup or cds.......because the odds are in my favor if you don't.


    Just a heads up.


    I'll be watching ;
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    Creeps have CD's? Where are these things hidden on my bars? I've not seen any..
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    My rating? in danger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurtdg21 View Post
    Bring your friends. Don't come out without cds. And, if you pounce me, you better make sure you have backup or cds.......because the odds are in my favor if you don't.


    Just a heads up.


    I'll be watching ;
    so like no loving pounces of wargy happiness? What a sad cold cruel world it is becoming, now the you want to watch part, heh pervy but guess I can understand that one, I mean, you did roll a burg you naughty boy!
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    I've never broken 1.400 on my rating, ever, so it being in jeapordy is hardly news to me.
    By the by Izo, are you even playing that much these days? Your Altitis confuses me greatly.

    Too many damn alts in this game!

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    Anyone think this "Cry of the Hunter" will help them out much to avoid being the most eaten freep class ever?

    I don't think so personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonescraper79 View Post
    so like no loving pounces of wargy happiness? What a sad cold cruel world it is becoming, now the you want to watch part, heh pervy but guess I can understand that one, I mean, you did roll a burg you naughty boy!

    You started clean, but from there, you're imagination started thinking for ya! Naughty warg.
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    You mean CD's like Last Stand, Man Heal, Dire Need, Endurance of Stone, Eldars Grace, Pledge, Fellowships Heart, Triumphant Spirit, Touch and go, Hide in Plain Sight, Wisdom of the Council, Fiegn Death, Perfect Imagery, Never Surrender, and 2 Sprints? Just to name a few.

    Feel free to list Creep CD's, it won't take long
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladgilrian View Post
    Feel free to list Creep CD's, it won't take long
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    Oh, creeps, cant claim not to have CDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladgilrian View Post
    Eldars Grace
    is complete &&&&??? Give me MT! Man heal? I'd take Uruk heal any day, 3min vrs hr, no competition at all. Other freep classes have good "few minute" skills, agh its hunter QQ for me!!

    ./leaves lotro/


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    15 brands and a few racial CD's i think. Ah well
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    Here you go Spidey,

    Moving target, vital target, fire trap, burrow, catch prey, blight, flies, dying rage, hips, sprint, uruk heal, bubble, wl combat aoe, spider drink (the one used for Morale return), spider eat pet ...

    Now you may say that some out them don't count but most of the skills listed do help in creep survivability believe it or not.
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    Moar... store-bought... traited.... flies!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmash View Post
    Here you go Spidey,

    Moving target, vital target, fire trap, burrow, catch prey, blight, flies, dying rage, hips, sprint, uruk heal, bubble, wl combat aoe, spider drink (the one used for Morale return), spider eat pet ...

    Now you may say that some out them don't count but most of the skills listed do help in creep survivability believe it or not.
    Most of those you listed are skills used in the normal course of play, are we not suppose to use skills now? I didn't mention the plethora of Freep rezzes and bubbles. Lets take them one by one.....

    Moving Target...YES

    Vital Target.....NO (are Heartseeker, Epic Conclusion, and Remorseless Strike to be added to my list?)

    Fire Trap.....NO (Surprised you didn't mention Web the Earth, I didn't mention Tar or Improved Sticky Gourd)

    Burrow (TDS)....YES (best CC in the game )

    Catch Prey.....NO (Debuff)

    Blight.....NO (Debuff)

    Flies (what, no broodling?).....NO (Debuff)

    Dying Rage.....YES (How many Freep CD's actually kill them? Oh, thats right, NONE!!!!)

    HiPS...correction....Disappear .....YES

    Sprint.....YES

    Uruk Heal....YES

    Bubble....YES (Can I add the 3 that Freeps have compared to the 2 that Creeps have? And thats only if a generous Defiler buys it)

    WL AoE rez....YES (ONLY Creep in combat rez)

    Drink Deep....NO (unless you want me to add Bracing Attack, Find Footing, Mischievious Glee, Agile Rejoiner, and LM pet flanks, not to mention Cappy on defeat heals, they weren't added for a reason, but I would actually consider FF and Ready and Able as CD's, I was being quite generous.)

    Devour....Maybe, its not really on cooldown actually.

    Shelob's Gift.....Maybe (you forgot this one, but then I would have to add a ton of Freep on defeat skills.)

    So 8 definite, 2 maybes on Creep cooldowns to 16 Freep cooldowns that I listed (but could add several more, probably more that I don't remember or don't know due to not playing certain classes to cap.)

    Although it is plausible (minutely) that there are some capped Freeps that don't have all the cooldown skills (due to deeds/legendarys not completed), it is also somewhat plausible that not all Creeps have the above skills, amirite?

    Then there's maps, Creeps got a lot of maps, none work in combat, how about those Freep maps?

    Lets keep up the discussion, we have to have some entertainment while we wait for GW2 to launch
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    Quote Originally Posted by myforumacc2 View Post
    is complete &&&&???
    Eldars Grace has saved my butt more than once, the trick is to not turn and run away!!!!!! I wish I had a dollar for every hunter I've seen pop EG and turn and run, I guess they didn't teach what parry was in hunter school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmash View Post
    Here you go Spidey,

    Moving target, vital target, fire trap, burrow, catch prey, blight, flies, dying rage, hips, sprint, uruk heal, bubble, wl combat aoe, spider drink (the one used for Morale return), spider eat pet ...

    Now you may say that some out them don't count but most of the skills listed do help in creep survivability believe it or not.
    VT and firetrap? /facepalm.

    Its tough out there for ya considering my VT will hit you less than 1k unless I dev, realllll tough :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladgilrian View Post
    Dying Rage.....YES (How many Freep CD's actually kill them? Oh, thats right, NONE!!!!)
    If you really wanted to include laying down tar as an escape skill, then I can think of at least one freepside CD that would be guaranteed to kill them.

    Oh, and you forgot BA snares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22Acacia View Post
    If you really wanted to include laying down tar as an escape skill, then I can think of at least one freepside CD that would be guaranteed to kill them.

    Oh, and you forgot BA snares.
    LOL. That was pretty funny milt haha.

    Oh, and Spidey, to answer your question. Controlled Blood Rage.

    And, potentially blood arrow, although; I think it would be hard to pull off.

    So thats 2 to 1!
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    You won't take my rating !! :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurtdg21 View Post
    LOL. That was pretty funny milt haha.

    Oh, and Spidey, to answer your question. Controlled Blood Rage.

    And, potentially blood arrow, although; I think it would be hard to pull off.

    So thats 2 to 1!
    I thought you we're trying to make a serious post, I was mistaken....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 22Acacia View Post
    If you really wanted to include laying down tar as an escape skill, then I can think of at least one freepside CD that would be guaranteed to kill them.

    Oh, and you forgot BA snares.
    See reply to Izo.......
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    Super double duper, wrapped in bacon serious


    CBR does kill though. So kids, don't do CBR.....or Dying Rage.....or drugs.


    That's how I've lived my life, and look.....I turned out just fine.
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    Find Footing is a 5 min cd, spidey, remember? or has it been that long since you've played your burg for real?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladgilrian View Post
    You mean CD's like Last Stand, Man Heal, Dire Need, Endurance of Stone, Eldars Grace, Pledge, Fellowships Heart, Triumphant Spirit, Touch and go, Hide in Plain Sight, Wisdom of the Council, Fiegn Death, Perfect Imagery, Never Surrender, and 2 Sprints? Just to name a few.

    Feel free to list Creep CD's, it won't take long
    Alright Spidey you went and disputed mine, time to dispute yours.

    Last Stand - Yes

    Man Heal - 3k heal, not too significant in moors anymore due to animation time and the hour long cd, by the time the animation is done you probably have the same amount of morale a pot would give you.

    Dire Need - yes

    Endurance of Stone - how many dwarves do we see in moors anymore? I can't think of any significant dwarf players out there anymore. Also the 1 hour cd

    Eldars Grace - partly Wargs go through b/p/e and considering that's what the majority of creeps are not that great. Also the 1 hour cd

    Pledge - same deal as Eldars Grace and soon to be changed to a 25% damage output so good bye parry and survivability for guards (we don't have any fancy bubbles, hips, df, etc. added with the update and we get a -30% tactical and physical mitigation nerf and a +2 sec stand induction woohoo! just what i always dreamed off!)

    Fellowships Heart - partly, only group useable if the mini is ACTUALLY healing and not in WS, ROFLMAO on Nimrodel that's preposterous

    TS - partly, same deal as FH

    Touch and Go - partly, same deal as any other skill involving b/p/e due to all the wargs not very effective cd

    HIPS - yes

    Wisdom of the Council - yes

    Feign Death - yes

    Perfect Imagery - this is just a 30s skill that mezzes a few targets, don't really count this as a cd

    Never Surrender - Yes, I wish my guard had a skill that immediately restored over half my morale when I was near death. Instead all i get is a soon to be nerfed skill that, warrior's fortitude, will only heal me for just over 500 morale at base that requires me to hot swap my entire armour set just so I can bump it up to a 1500 morale heal, not even nearly as good as the uruk heal that can heal yourself and 3 other targets for 4-5k (not sure on number).

    The 2 sprints - I take it the one for guard and champ. I'm inclined to have to say no. How else are we champs and guards to get away from sticky situations or catch up to that pesky little creep that is just kiting around with slows *ahem BA's ahem*. That's mostly meant for Toq btw

    So I counted 6 yeses, 8 partly's, 1 no
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    First off, I'll trade away NS for pledge in a second. A 50% heal on a 15 minute cooldown, or +100-150%% (B)/P/E for 15s every 5 mins seems like a bit of a no brainer to me, and all these complaints that finesse/shadow wargs making TnG and pledge useless is vastly overstated. Are the skills effectiveness reduced, sure, but i'll promise with 3+ creeps whacking away on you pledge avoids more damage in 15s than NS heals. This goes double considering pledge always fires, while NS probly only works 80% of the time in the Moors.

    There not being many dwarves in the moors has no bearing on whether endurance of stone is a powerful, long CD skill.

    If things like Uruk heal (3 min cd) are on the list, I'm pretty sure the b.s. that is Defiant Challenge should be the poster child for freep cooldowns.

    Don't forget to add Way of the Warden to your list Spidey, I see all the FotM warden's running with that, and with a 15m cooldown it has to be on the list

    Some more warden &&&&: if cbr and blood arrow are on the list of freep skills that can kill you, I demand battle memory be added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmash View Post
    Never Surrender - Yes, I wish my guard had a skill that immediately restored over half my morale when I was near death. Instead all i get is a soon to be nerfed skill that, warrior's fortitude, will only heal me for just over 500 morale at base that requires me to hot swap my entire armour set just so I can bump it up to a 1500 morale heal, not even nearly as good as the uruk heal that can heal yourself and 3 other targets for 4-5k (not sure on number).
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    With a full damage and mastery trait setup, one (r12 ba, anyway) can get the top end heal to just under 4.8k.
    I've heard people say it can crit, but I've never seen it.. and believe me I've been watching..
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