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    PVP'ers unite, our voices have been heard!!!

    Take a look...


    http://www.lotro.com/gameinfo/devdia...ors?sp_login=1

    If you haven't already done so, take a look at the upcoming changes to PVP. I don't know about everyone else, but this sounds pretty exciting to me, and may be just the thing to bring back a "pre-mom" experience to both sides.

    Share your thoughts!!!!! The only thing I'd like to see on top of the promised changes with the ROR update would be more consequences for deaths in a battle. Repair bills, open looting, whatever. With the current system (and post ROR) defeat in battle means nothing as you just come back over and over and over again as both sides have seen with rez camping and suicide runs. If there were penalties in place for deaths, players would have to rethink suicide play styles and imo it would force more strategic and more tactical battle plans from both sides.

    Anyway, read up on the changes..... now instead of dreading the grind for ROR, I'm eagerly awaiting it's start!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MythicDude View Post
    Take a look...


    http://www.lotro.com/gameinfo/devdia...ors?sp_login=1

    If you haven't already done so, take a look at the upcoming changes to PVP. I don't know about everyone else, but this sounds pretty exciting to me, and may be just the thing to bring back a "pre-mom" experience to both sides.

    Share your thoughts!!!!! The only thing I'd like to see on top of the promised changes with the ROR update would be more consequences for deaths in a battle. Repair bills, open looting, whatever. With the current system (and post ROR) defeat in battle means nothing as you just come back over and over and over again as both sides have seen with rez camping and suicide runs. If there were penalties in place for deaths, players would have to rethink suicide play styles and imo it would force more strategic and more tactical battle plans from both sides.

    Anyway, read up on the changes..... now instead of dreading the grind for ROR, I'm eagerly awaiting it's start!!!!!!
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    1. Creeps would have no armor/weapons to repair. I'm glad that there are no repair bills due to death in the moors.
    2. I like carrots and enjoy being an equus asinus.
    3. I am looking forward to seeing the planned changes. While it will not satisfy everyone I can see how a large majority of players will react positively to these changes. A lot of concerns were addressed while some were not. I don't know if this will be enough to get some seasoned/veteran pvpers to come back with GW2 just around the corner but if they log in to check out the changes they might like it enough to stick around. Who knows....
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    That new Legendary Item that is unique to the moors sounds interesting...
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    They made creeps stronger which was needed. Besides that I dont see too much good about these changes. They changed around the PvE aspects of the moors. The main focus is on how the keeps/OPs will affect things now. Imo, all this will do is create a more hide and seek atmosphere on an already smaller pop server. They didnt get rid of Commendations, they kept Audacity, and they still have not implemented any sort of arena system or new map. To me it looks like they moved around some of the OPs and gave u bonuses for holding things, not a single PvP change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MythicDude View Post
    If there were penalties in place for deaths, players would have to rethink suicide play styles and imo it would force more strategic and more tactical battle plans from both sides.
    There is nothing strategic about sitting in the back of a raid and running at the first sign of trouble. That thinking is why our moors has sucked for so long to begin with.

    I'm not saying suiciding is the wisest thing to do either. But having the odds stacked against you and managing to get kills is far more enjoyable. That's when you see real strategy, self-strategy. Learning your class, playing it to its fullest potential, winning a fight you shouldn't win because you thought, planned and executed skills smoothly and efficiently - that's PvP.

    As far as the RoR updates go; I'm on the fence about them. They sound great on paper and buffing creeps, especially reavers, is long overdue. With the decrease in skill/trait cost for creeps and with owning keeps giving them bonus infamy we'll have more higher ranked, better skilled creeps. However, I won't put it past Turbine to give minstrels an AoE nuke with a 100m range or something similar at 85. (just using minstrels as an example, all freep classes are pretty OP right now)

    In other words, the changes sound great if implemented tomorrow without a hitch. But these are RoR changes and we don't yet know what gear freeps will be running around with, what skill upgrades and changes they'll get at 85, etc. Won't know until it's here.
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    it seems they just moved stuff around. none of this will benefit a small pop server. the moors was just an afterthought and now its a pay to win money pit. the guildwars franchise has always put pvp first and im sure gw2 will be the same. good luck turbine... to bad you never listened to your playerbase
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    I'd say the new reward system for capturing and holding keeps and dof and such will encourage more pve than pvp. Once freeps start getting max lvl and whatever gear they need the map flips blue and all the creeps switch to their freeps until there's no more creeps left to farm. And back and forth it goes... or at least how I am picturing it. When logging into a blue map it becomes, "Need to PvE outposts or freeps will have +40% mastery"

    Without being to cynical I do like the fact that pvmp is getting attention and hope that whatever happens is fun to play.



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    After re-reading the dev diary, this caught my eye:

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    2: 776 Physical Mastery Rating
    3: +5% Ardour Damage
    4: +76 Might
    5: On Crit: Blade-storm reduces movement speed by 25% for 10s
    Unyielding Rage

    2: +776 Critical Rating

    3: +50% Hamstring Duration
    4: +76 Might
    5: Remorseless Strike Pip Cost Removed
    Resilient Warrior

    2: +786 Tactical Mitigation; +786 Physical Mitigation
    3: Battle-frenzy reduces incoming Tactical damage by 10% for 10s
    4: +76 Might
    5: Bracing Attack has a 50% chance to dispel up to 3 Poison, Disease, Fear, or Wound effects

    They've changed the Unyielding Rage set. As a champ, that 5pc bonus is significantly OP, but not in the way most people expect. RS spamming is already a possibility given the fact that pips are so quick to build now, but it will convince more champs to possibly weapon swap mid rotation which is already a viable and strong option if performed properly. (2H) ISB -> RS -> (swap to DW) -> build pips/wait for cd -> RS -> (swap to 2h) -> Brutal + clobber -> (swap to DW) repeat. This also makes the Ferocious Strikes cd legacy a damn near must-have, assuming it's still around at 85, as you'll be able to effectively RS -> FS without having to build pips in-between. Or for those who won't weapon swap, just SS -> RS -> SS -> RS, while hitting FS/BS each time you have the fervor depending on DW or 2H. Effectively using Second Wind (even possibly traiting it) or having a captain buddy negates any power issues.

    This is all in theory from a champ's perspective though. Given a day to work out any kinks, I think I could effectively build a rotation and build around this set bonus alone (as could most champs) and send every creep I come across to the rez fairly easily. But, we'll see.
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    Well at least the Devs are doing something towards gameplay on the Moors. I'll reserve my judgement until I've played my WL post RoR for a couple of weeks. Anything that helps with making sides fairer to play is a pre-requisite to a good Moors update IMO.
    We'll see what the Freepside is like after they gain 10 more levels though. I hope this is factored into RoR Creepside. I believe the problem with imbalance in the Moors has always been caused by updates to Freeps PvE side of the game not being translated to equivilent updates to mits, b/p/e, dps etc on the Creepside. I'm looking forward to the expansion has to be said..but we'll see how it pans out.
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    Raith still play this game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrittainTheCommie View Post
    Raith still play this game?
    I honestly dont have an active sub to any MMO atm. I just canceled my SWTOR sub, got bored with it and needed a change. Ive dropped in a couple of times to see how things are n such and holler at some people. I read the boards around here once ina while to stay in touch. Hows RIFT or are you planning on making a comeback tour?
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    I don't see there being any power issues Dreag, right now the only time I get them is when there are two flies on me for a long duration of time, and then I use a power pot lol

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    Anything less than a total rebuil;d is a failure IMO. Every other game seems to have more fun PvP. With that said, i'll be back to give RoR a try, as soon as they add the raid armor to the store i'll be gone again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memphis-8899 View Post
    I honestly dont have an active sub to any MMO atm. I just canceled my SWTOR sub, got bored with it and needed a change. Ive dropped in a couple of times to see how things are n such and holler at some people. I read the boards around here once ina while to stay in touch. Hows RIFT or are you planning on making a comeback tour?
    Nah man, I haven't played RIFT in a while.

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    Jeez this looks good, relatively speaking.

    I hope it is enough to at least get some veterans back to try it. Maybe if it's good enough they'll stick around. I am very tempted to try it out myself.

    However, I'm not convinced that even if they were to "fix" PVP entirely that it will be enough for Firefoot's low population. Here's hoping so, if I came back I wouldn't want to a) re-roll or b) pay $$$ for another transfer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_fail_irl View Post
    Jeez this looks good, relatively speaking.

    I hope it is enough to at least get some veterans back to try it. Maybe if it's good enough they'll stick around. I am very tempted to try it out myself.

    However, I'm not convinced that even if they were to "fix" PVP entirely that it will be enough for Firefoot's low population. Here's hoping so, if I came back I wouldn't want to a) re-roll or b) pay $$$ for another transfer.
    the only way turbine will ever get vets to return is to stop beating around the bush and release a new pvp zone
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    "One thing that’s become very apparent to us in our survey of the ‘moors is the disparity in damage and healing between Creeps and Freeps. Pound for pound, Creeps tend to get outgunned and outhealed compared to the kind of numbers Freeps can put out."
    Funny that this is barely becoming apparent to them, its been apparent to most of the players for years. While there are some nice changes being made, reavers are still getting barely any attention. Only 3 skill revisions? They need alot more than that. Jagged Cut Application chance of bleed increased to 100%. That is one I have been waiting to see for a long time now, at least they did one thing right =). However only 2 skill revisions to defilers and 7 for wargs? Wargs are the best looking creep class atm, if they want to fix the "outhealed numbers" they need to do a whole lot more skill adding/polishing for defilers.
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