I see many creeps using the unmitigated orc-craft and well wrought damage. At this situation when there are about 5 active freeps on moors against lots creeps, it would be a nice act of sportsmanship to use the normal fire/shadow damage. Been quite active on moors the last couple of days and I can barely hold my own against r9+ reavers, getting 12k impales and vital targets on my 15-16k morale pool Not even speaking of the instant MT's and wrath after I hit once. This is not QQ I'm fine with the cards given to me but it would be nice to even stand a chance when solo roaming
Anyways, let's see what the 12.1 brings to us on 16th.
Then again, WL's and deffys have a pretty rough time at the moment, with their dps being to low to kill a hunter and their heals not enough to outheal hunter dps.
Thanks to dimetyl for that long 1vs1 this evening (longest i ever had i think).
Yeah, I remember that painfully well , but they never even came close to rks, wardens, champions and tanks (and partially minstrels) in more recent periods. Hunters went down, the classes I mentioned wouldn't go down and some could hold half a raid alone, AND get kills.
Wardens were broken PvE-wise, but they were on par with other classes in PvP. But I guess that's broken to a warden... hehe
Last edited by stoffi; Dec 09 2013 at 12:44 AM.
Thank you, too, mate I re-traited after that battle and was looking for revenge, but you were gone
From my perspective, defiler currently lacks both dps and healing, now the only good thing is shorter cd of few skills. But that`s only my opinion and I know I don`t play well that class :P
Hehe, are you guys the same person or something? Neither of you manage to produce an argument, and both of you hate hate hate hate, flaming all you can instead of actually discussing the topic. If you can't stick to the topic and keep it civil, then don't post at all.
I'll give you a chance. For what reasons do you think Wardens were broken in PvP? How are my arguments false, disregarding your previous personal insults?
PS: I have a warden, though I haven't played it in years and it's not above level 30.
The warden forum is deplete of anything nice being said about the changes yet , we shall see what the update brings and whether wardens are truly back in a dark place or ready to dominate yet again .
Have only been in the moors with my burg , it's a lot of fun really even though freeps are outgunned , out everything at the moment . Those creeps using orccraft are kidding themselves really . It won't last and the moors are pretty deserted because of it so I can only say you only have yourselves to blame . As if the huge difference in morale and the audacity bug isn't enough you have to use a damage type incapable of being mitigated . It's not payback as it won't last so enjoy your somewhat brief period of running around like headless chickens looking for fights in an empty moors .
This? "I bet you dont even know 1 gambit or how even the gambit system works and even if you do i bet you are one of the clueless mainstream wargs that hate something because they cant kill it. Please stick with warg posts or at least learn and then post. "
There isn't an argument to question amongst Affwyn's many words. He elegantly skips any arguments and goes all in on personal attacks instead, just like Limmy. It is impossible to take that post seriously.
I've already said that Wardens seemed completely broken PvE-wise back then, due to their heals being messed up and etc. But wardens also have spear mode, and spear mode was very much viable back then. I especially remember a warden (he was a nice and quite offensive guy, don't remember his name anymore) who fought around old EC at that time (because that was where most fighting was just then) . I watched from stealth (and participated) as he fought high ranked creeps on several occasions. He was on par with good reavers and others.
I'll give you, he was no longer godmode, but hardly broken in spear mode.
I'm just telling you what I saw, and also what was being talked about in this thread back then. Wardens sure didn't seem broken to me (PvP-wise).
Warden might have been broken in the past, and might have not been broken in the past, people have different opinions about that, but that doesn't matter, because that's in the past now..
The warden of today is broken though, you might want to call it broken in a good and bad way (in the warden's perspective).. pvp wise it's broken in a bit OP way, because of the bleeds which are unmitigated. Pve wise it is broken in a bad way because of the bad way a warden needs to get threat while tanking.
- The creeps morale doubles - plus a little % - the good geared freeps morale now: I have a 58k reaver and the freeps Ive found were around 20/25k morale, some with buffs, others without.
- The freeps grouped with dps and healers got more kills than deaths facing a creep group with the same numbers and if the freeps retreated sometimes was not a retreat but just more tactical choice, being killed only 1 or 2 freeps of that group on the usual grams/lug back.
- Freeps dps from hunters and RK - talking about good geared ones - are far superior to my reaver, outstanding the morales difference %. the impale story is nice but people talk about impale as reavers got all hits devastating and a 3k from all hits its common. But Rks and hunters +3k hits are common as the usual 6/7/8k epic conclusion burning me down wasy at range. The QQ about orc craft etc is non sense since the Rks and hunters dps - talking about the few good geared ones I found - in general triples the damage I do with my skills - and people claim about mitigations? audacity? . I know freeps are used to hit hard and laugh about creeps dps but even if some creeps classes hit hard now its not reason to talk as you are soloing a 1 zilion mob one shooting you.
- The new hunter traps are great, and their new ability to use their skills while running too - without inductions? - , if I dont charge asap and catch a well played hunter and keep the contact, Im dead. TY Del twice. But of course there are hunters who I kill easily and why? Because they are not well played or not top geared atm. If some freep classes can kill my reaver why all freeps playing that classes can't ? the answer is easy: some freeps know how to play and others don't.
Yes creeps are stronger now, but they are well killable if you dont believe ask to your fellow freeps who already play in EM and get more kills than deaths. Get a group, mix the group with healers and dps and you will earn nice renown. Or make a duo. If in 1v1 creeps outstand, im sure most of freep duo combos can outsand a creep duo or trio...well played and good geared it is.
just my 2 cents. See you later.
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Jureon made the point that with the advantage , you most certainly possess , you really don't need orccraft etc . I attacked a BA with 57 k morale , soon a reaver turns up with 10k more morale and hits me with blade toss and you've guessed it "orccraft " damage . Do you seriously think I'm going to hang around ? . Would you ?
I agree with groups it makes great fun , that's what I said but it will change . The moors are empty at the moment , even you accept that so why do you think that is ? Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to get into the groups I get into so I figure that they just don't want it .
A kinmate of mine said he wouldn't go back until the update , go figure . I hear that a lot .....
Last edited by Tirn; Dec 10 2013 at 02:59 PM.
I actually like these changes (exept the bugged dmg type) but otherwise I think it´s fine. My r5 champ well geared and traited struggled to kill a r6 warg as it schould be. It kinda feels like ranks matters again not like in RoR where any decent geared freep could faceroll everything.
We will have an other year of grams camp after update 12.1 when freeps get their audacity gear/improved dps and creeps gets nothing but nerfs.
P.S Yes wardens has been broken acording to me and it´s getting even worse after 12.1 with 4k bleeds that can´t be mitigated... lovely... P.S
And only made 130/140k renown, playing casually/semi retired, since I got rank 12 in SOM, more than 2 years ago iirc.
Ah And my champ is level 75 and unsubscribed/premium. But I assure you, if I could I would be playing my lvl75 champ in EM this few days before next update.
Last edited by Corlindel-; Dec 10 2013 at 06:42 PM.
Hehe. I've read the Silmarillion 10-15 times, it used to be the only book I read for a few years. Unfinished tales, the Hobbit, LOTR and I have a more factual book about ME without any stories, just facts and maps. And believe it or not, my brother (ape/eat) and I regularly discuss lotr seriously. Currently, I am playing Medieval Total War 2, Third Age mod, which is a LOTR mod. Played it a kazillion times, but it's always fun saving Gondor. My brother and I also love playing LOTR Risk, the board game. There as well, my mission is to save Minas Tirith if I am on the good side. My brother has Sting, Anduril and Legolas' knives. When I was younger, I used to have the ME map on the wall so I could study it better.
So, as you see, it really hurts me that this game has been ruined by Turbine, as I am a really, really big fan of LOTR. If it was up to me, I'd play games related to LOTR all day long. But they need to be good.
But I'm sure there is some LOTR stuff I haven't read about, and if there is a warden present there, then I'd be the first to admit I am wrong. But where?
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