Is there still cheating going on? Razzy hinted that they might not be cheating anymore, but that seems unlikely.
Thk u creeps and freeps for lots of fun 2nite, special thks to wiley, was great matey, gn all
My last weekend before a sizable break. Tonight's late night action was great.
Many thanks to both sides for the fights and the freep groups who stayed for the highlight of the last few weeks.
The old oc fight was a jawdropping performance from our team. We fought with the wrath of the righteous and was the best performance i've seen from a craid on gilrain in months.
See ya out there for the next few days and ./salute to all pvp'ers
from a Freep point of view of last night, we saw a Craid that was more than capable of wiping the small Fraid, but rather than fight, it chose to run, hide, and take 2 relics, only fighting when caught. An absolute refusal to bring the fight to the Freeps and a higher priority to capture Relics, not that good a night really.
Funny you say higher priority to capture relics, pretty sure its a higher priority for freeps to have all the doff buffs and normally the relic before setting off on the farm fest most nights.
Just the way I saw it anyway.
A good night overall
You had multiple oppurtunities to engage us, but sought to play hide and seek. Or relic collecting, you would think that an obvious dominant creep force would seek to engage the freeps, but as said, the priority was the relics.
After the 2nd relic got handed in creeps still wouldn't bring the fight to us, so a lot of freeps logged off and Fraid disbanded.
Saying the relic taking was priority is funny, freeps only come out in numbers once all doff buffs are down lately, even today. I been off and on and only a handful of freeps all day until dof buffs are taken then 4 of us had to bail from tr before we were zerged to death as per the norm as of late.
Numerical advantage and actual advantage are two entirely different things for creeps.
Typically, we have neither.
Ok. The first thing i did when i logged onto creep was map to and try to take ta, the freeps were trying to take lug as i did this. The freeps rode to TA and wiped us in the cg room.
It was my intention to take the fight to different places on the map, preferably ones where we rarely fight, so there was alot of moving around. In fact you will have noticed a pattern of late that the one place I will generally avoid fighting is the backdoor of any keep for a prelonged time.
If you are saying "hide and seek" as opposed to sitting on my &&& for an hour at the backdoor of a castle waiting for your "inferior force" to come to us, then sure, yes, we enagaged in some walkabout. However none of this was to generally avoid a fight, the most tedious part was having to go and take the drake to remove one of your dof buffs and create a better balance of dof buffs.
We took the 1st relic (how dare we take a relic back for 2% less damage creepside, its been in freep hands almost 90% of the time over the last three weeks) and I used it to flip id, but having failed to take TA the first time doubled back and ran straight into ta.
Remember now I was wiped the first time we were caught in there and had a relic on me, so when i received intelligence that freep raid was inc I instructed everyone to disengage and we turned to fight on lug ramp, but withdrew up the hill rather than engage in a backdoor fight at TA, which is where the freeps had withdrawn to. Then handed the relic in.
We had taken casualties in a later battle. The decision to take the 2nd relic was spontaneous as i respawned at tr graveyard. I actually put it to the vote and had at the time no intention of even handing it in.
Finally the reference i made to a great creep performance was as we withdrew from ta with the 2nd relic under fire (it was going to be a clear wipe) and pulled to old oc. Lug was blue and I asked our dead to map ta1; pinning us between a blue ta and a blue spawn. In the subsequent battle I can honestly say the craid performed admirably; much as I have complemented freeps on a good move or performance.
For the record I invite you to come creepside and lead a raid sandwiched between a freep spawn and ta and come out with 21 dead freeps and one dead creep, which was the tally, when the freeps pulled back to spawn.
We circled lug spawn from every angle after that but I had no intention of spawn camping as I had been intending to log, so instead of persisting, handed in the 2nd relic and said OK last charge now and disband. We went to lug spawn and fought a stand off with reduced numbers on both sides for about 15 mins or so.
Sorry you didn't have fun, I'll sit the craid 15m out from grams next time and let you come to us.
Last edited by Oldwiley; Jun 11 2013 at 03:06 AM.
Being outnumbered, outgunned and outhealed is what the Darv's 24man raid suffered last week having outnumbered buff ON for almost one hour, facing around 45 freeps.
And you are QQing about 4-5 man disadvantage? ... as a freep? Come on.
Cheers again for the fights, shame there was not really a properly even period, but had some fun anyway.
Thx to the raid that stuck with me after 4 full wipes in the open, shame there was no fight at lc to follow which we were waiting for.
./salute to the freeps who tried to prevent the, by that time, overly strong creep force from taking ta and for welcoming my tatty little hobbit into their ranks briefly later on.
I`m not qq`ing about being outnumbered, as I said above I`m pointing out a different view to an evenings event, I wish we were outnumbered more often, I too am bored to tears with Gilrain PvP, everytime I log on its Grams.
If I was pointing out anything, its the fact that the Creeps clearly had the upperhand, and were killing Freeps at will, but rather than PvP, you chose to PvE, you should have taken advantage of your numbers and spent more time killing freeps than taking relics, that's why we PvP isn't it, to kill each other.
Yes I see you were implying a difference of perception, but lets unravel the account a bit to look at the perception:
As for the 2nd relic, it was handed in with less than 5% left on its timer. Its not like we left a team there to take the 2nd one straight away, or ran directly to dg with it once we picked it up.
Given the amount of effort it was to get a raid up with nothing but a red lug (being taken), no relics and no dof buffs; Turn the map more equitable while offering fights in multiple locations I am quite frankly galled that you finger us as not making the effort to engage. Especially given the amount of time I have to take the fight to the freeps.
If your post got savaged I think it was ddown to its content.
After all the s#*t that went off in ooc around 6:30pm last night, to do with freep numbers and raid and so on, i do think that freeps should reduce the size of there raids to 12-18 man and have some smaller groups, to be honest 18 man raid with the right group could wipe a full creep raid, I'm not trying to start a forum war on this, I'm just after better game play in Gilrain, I'm nomally in a group of 4/6 and don't really join a raid that often!
Its just an idea, might be worth trying one night + you can put a shout out for the classes that are needed!
Thanks for the spars last night Zigzam.
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Its easy to say that while sitting comfortable on a 140%-160% average renown buff while creeps have 20%-40% ish.
Let me put it this way, there was a RL mate of mine that joined your raid the other day and he had the same renown with his char than infamy I had with my WL ... despite the fact that we were wiping you almost every time. You guys were having 25-40 renown a kill while we were having 10-15 infamy/kill (even some kills below 10)... so yeah, nobody likes PvE in the moors, but its normally a priority for a craid to do PvE til the infamy buff is up to a decent level.
The same way if you want long fights, you should let the other side have a spawn ... you also have to let him have some decent buffs so they will have something to fight for. You are nuts if you think a craid will engage a fight with 0% or 20% buff against 180% or 200% buff for freeps.
Elusive balance is hard to get, someone asked me what I though would help freeps/creeps be less hostile while i was freepside yesterday. To be honest I think the only way for folks to have a better bond is to play both sides and be up against it together, ofc for some creeps thats not possible as they are not all vip.
Hell we'd probably not need a full craid out and about if the map was more balanced and both sides were running groups, not domination forces, but thats beyond individual control and down to the masses.
./salute to the beggars while i'm posting btw
What matter is the total number really. The proof of that is what happened in lug with Squelcher's raid, we were raided, 14 creeps inside Lug. There was no fraid but 28 freeps in small groups/soloers. With that advantadge in numbers, who really needs a raid or even communication in OOC?
Plus in Gilrain, the small groups normally tag along with the main raid. IMO, grouping 24+6 or 18+12 wont change anything because the groups go together and still is a 30man army for the other side.
Instead of balance, lets start with some respect, that IS possible. Judging from the heated discussion in freep OOC i would say there, sadly, is just alot of hate and disrespect.
How can people consider everything ''they'' ( those off us who play creep ) say is QQ and crying nonsence? Of course it's not, people should be able to atleast understand that point of view aswell.
Yes their buffs are taking by a single freep, with or without the aid of bots/multiboxing it's still something that is impossible for a creep. Yes freep classes are generally more overpowerd and yes, freep side has more numbers ( atleast yesterday ).
There just needs to be some more understanding to improve this servers PvP.
Last edited by edjepredje; Jun 11 2013 at 09:28 AM.
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