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  1. #51
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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Quote Originally Posted by luapremylc View Post
    Since Update 6 I've felt like I didn't have a full grasp on what each gambit does yet, so I started to go through each gambit in the different stances and type out what they do in order to drill their various uses into my brain. While doing it, I decided to flesh it out into a full-blown gambit compendium to help anyone else out there who might be confused on what gambits do. It's meant to be a purely factual reference guide for old and new wardens alike.
    First off I want to thank you for the hard work you put into this it's a marvelous thread.

    Secondly once upon a time there was a very handy entry in the lorebook which laid out the gambits in a chart and which effect you gained from them (viewable here). However this entry is now dated & the information in it doesn't reflect the Update6 changes.

    So I hope you don't mind but I created a lorebook entry with chart outlaying the effects of the various gambits depending on their stance. I relied heavily on your post for my information and full credit is given to you in the entry.

    http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Gambit_effects

    If you find any issues or discrepancies feel free to fix them or make me aware and I will do so.

    Again thank you for this thread
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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Sorry all, I've had some real life things holding me back recently. Still need to add the list sorted by gambit rather than stance, but I did make some other changes:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucanthanas View Post
    Only one thing missing: The builders (Quick Thrust/Stab/Toss; Shield Bash/Blast/Behind the, and Warden's Taunt/Scorn/Aim)

    The rest is perfect
    Good call, I've added those in.

    Quote Originally Posted by LagunaD View Post
    I am not seeing any Lifetap over time on critical/devastating criticals in Recklessness (e.g. Aggression, Surety of Death, Brink of Victory). If not resisted, I get a 1-shot heal from "Warden Lifetap" with these on criticals, and no effect/debuff is placed on the target to indicate some kind of over-time effect.
    I just tested these in game, and it appears that the only lifetap is the initial hit; the DoT effect is just a normal DoT. I'm not sure if this is WAI or not, but I added it to the OP. I tested it on the PB line, I assume it works the same way for the others. I'll test them when I get a chance too. Thanks for pointing this out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harperelle View Post
    Shouldn't there be a T3 lifetap on crit for Spear of Virtue in Recklessness? It says so on the tooltip, but I haven't actually tested it myself.

    --Harper
    You're totally right, not sure how I missed that. Fixed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Elrendos View Post
    The one thing that I didn't notice (not a big deal, but just to make it complete) was in this part:

    Top Upfront Damage Gambits

    1. Wall of Steel - 1239 Main-Hand Damage
    2. The Dark Before Dawn - 1192 Main-Hand Damage
    3. Warden's Triumph - 1114 Main-Hand Damage
    4. Onslaught - 1074 Main-Hand Damage
    5. Combination Strike - 958 Main-Hand Damage

    You just did not follow the same format as the rest of the post (I.E., #1 should be something like "1. (1)(2)(1)(2) Wall of Steel... or however you did it
    ). Just wanted to point that out.
    Fixed this as well, thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harperelle View Post
    I did some testing tonight, and the lifetaps for Persevere and Safeguard in Assailment do not proc. these two gambits are worthless in this stance.
    I'm not sure what differed between our tests, but I just double checked in-game on the dummies in Galtrev and they worked just fine for me. Care to elaborate on the specifics of your test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrsAngelD View Post
    First off I want to thank you for the hard work you put into this it's a marvelous thread.

    Secondly once upon a time there was a very handy entry in the lorebook which laid out the gambits in a chart and which effect you gained from them (viewable here). However this entry is now dated & the information in it doesn't reflect the Update6 changes.

    So I hope you don't mind but I created a lorebook entry with chart outlaying the effects of the various gambits depending on their stance. I relied heavily on your post for my information and full credit is given to you in the entry.

    http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Gambit_effects

    If you find any issues or discrepancies feel free to fix them or make me aware and I will do so.

    Again thank you for this thread
    Wow, thanks for doing this! I never thought to make it into a Lorebook entry, that's a great idea. Thanks for the hard work!
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    Thumbs up Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    you just saved me a whole lots of work. look forward to testing it out. nicely done.

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Awesome post. That was a ton of work, and you did it, so... thanks!

    I made an excel-sheet that lists the effects of a gambit in the different stances side-by-side, but I have no Idea how to attach the file to this post. Below I copied the list, the formation has gone to hell, if someone knows how to fix this, please give me a hint. I hope I didn't make to many mistakes, will doublecheck the list tomorrow.
    I also left out the ranges for the Assailment Gambits (but I can include them again), also I might have to work over the descriptions, sometimes its unclear if a Lifetap is oT or just once and sometimes the durations are missing, but only where they were missing in the initial posts Hope it saves someone some work...

    One further Question:

    Is there any way to "normalize" the damage so that you can guess how much damage you would do on a lower level? A rough estimate would probably be enough...


    Code:
    Gambit       Determination               Recklessness                 Assailment
                            
    1            Quick Thrust                Quick Stab                   Quick Toss
               414 mainhand damage         414 mainhand damage          607 javelin damage
                +2% pBPE (20s), Stacks*3    +2% melee damage (20s)       +1.5% ranged damage (20s)
                 5% for -5 misschance (15s)  5% for DoT 85 
    
    2            Shield Bash                 Shield Blast                 Behind the Shield
               123 common damage           123 common damage            128 common damage
                +2% pBPE (20s), Stacks*3    +2% melee damage (20s)       +1.5% ranged damage (20s)
                 5% for +2100B (15s)         5% to apply -300 cry resistance
    
    3            Warden's Taunt              Warden's Scorn               Warden's Aim
                68 light damage             68 light damage              65 light damage
            DoT 32 light damage         DoT 32 light damage          DoT 32 light damage
                +2% pBPE (20s), Stacks*3    +2% melee damage 20s)        +1.5% melee damage (20s)
                 5% for +5% thread through   5% for +5% critical chance
                    damage and healing (15s)
    
    1 1          Deft Strike             
               479 mainhand damage         543 mainhand damage          696 javelin damage
               Potency                     Potency                      Potency
    
    1 2          The Boot                
               219 common damage           249 common/70 light damage   217 common damage
               interrupts inductions       interrupts inductions        interrupts inductions
                25% f 5s daze           DoT 60 light damage             25% f 5s root 
                            
    1 2 1        Onslaught               
           3 x 358 mainhand damage     3 x 408 mainhand damage      3 x 537 javelin damage
               interrupts inductions       interrupts inductions        interrupts inductions
    
    1 2 1 2      Goad            
           3 x 413 mainhand damage     3 x 479 mainhand damage      3 x 613 javelin damage
               interrupts inductions       interrupts inductions        interrupts inductions
             +1500P                         30 dam reflection (30s)     any c/f/s reflect 36 damage
                    10% for 1%mp restore on enemy hit (30s) 
    
    1 2 3        Power Attack            
               604 mainhand damage         684 mainhand damage          861 javelin damage
               ----------------------------difficult to block-----------------------------
           DoT 200 common     
    
    1 2 3 1      Mighty Blow             
               618 main hand damage        702 main hand damage         880 javelin damage
               ----------------------------difficult to parry/evade-----------------------
           DoT 300 common (t2)     
                    
           
                 Unerring Strike         
               648 mainhand damage         735 main hand damage         981 javelin damage
           DoT 332 common              DoT 340 common
               ----------------------------difficult to b/p/e-----------------------------
                           
    1 2 1 3 1    The Dark Before the Dawn                
           2 x 596 mainhand damage     2 x 677 mainhand damage      2 x 851 javelin damage
              +178 Power                  +178 Power                   +178 Power
           PoT   1%mp Stacks*2         PoT   1%mp Stacks*2          PoT   1%mp Stacks*2
    
    1 3          Offensive Strike                
           2 x 406 mainhand damage     2 x 460 mainhand damage      2 x 601 javelin damage
                +2T Thread             LT  135 light                DoT 189
    
    1 3 1        Combination Strike            
           2 x 479 mainhand damage     2 x 543 mainhand damage      2 x 696 javelin damage
           DoT 283 common
    1 3 1 3      Boar's Rush             
               602 mainhand damage         684 common damage            595 common damage
               ----------------------------increased critical chance----------------------
                25% f 2s fear               25% f 3s knockdown      DoT 340 common
    
    1 3 2        Reversal                
               479 mainhand damage         543 mainhand damage          696 javelin damage
               Removes 1 corruption        Removes 1 corruption         Removes 1 corruption
    
    1 3 2 1      Adroit Manoeuvre                
               479 mainhand damage         543 mainhand damage          696 javelin damage
               -20% attack duration (20s)  -20% attack duration (20s)   -20% attack duration (20s)
    
    1 3 2 1 3    Warden's Triumph                
              1114 main hand damage       1265 main hand damage        1523 javelin damage
               +10% melee damage (20s)     +10% melee damage (20s)       +5% ranged damage (20s)
    
    2 2          Defensive Strike                
               415 mainhand damage         449 main hand damage         437 javelin damage
               Potency                     Potency                      Potency
              +600B                       +300 physical mastery (20s)    -0.5T Thread
    
    2 1          Persevere               
               438 mainhand damage         475 mainhand damage          462 javelin damage
           HoT 112                     DoT 200 common (t1)           LT 131
              +600B           
                +2% pB          
    
    2 1 2        Safeguard               
               119 common damage           129 common damage            125 common damage
           HoT 296                     DoT 300 common (t2)           LT 429
              +900B           
                +4% pB    
          
    2 1 2 1      Celebration of Skill            
               438 mainhand damage         475 mainhand damage          462 javelin damage
           HoT 370                     DoT 360 common (t3)               +3% ranged damage to fellowship (10m)
              +900B           
                +2% pB          
    
    2 1 2 1 2    Restoration             
               438 mainhand damage         475 mainhand damage          462 javelin damage
           HoT 440                     HoT 407                      HoT 407
    
    2 1 3        Shields Up               
             +1500B                    on c/f/s reflects 25d (30s)      Reduces the amount of threat generated from 
             +1500E                    on c/f/s 2% chance to reflect    d and h by 10% for the fellowship (10m) (10s)
             +1500RB                    -5runspd, +5attdur/5s      
                            
    2 1 3 1      Shield Mastery          
             +1500B                    on c/f/s reflects 54d (30s)      Reduces the amount of threat generated from 
             +1500E                    on c/f/s 2% chance to reflect    d and h by 20% for the fellowship (10m) (10s)
             +1500RB                   -15runspd, +15attdur/5s           
    
    2 3          Impressive Flourish             
               175 light damage            178 light damage             437 javelin damage
           DoT  43 light               DoT  55 light                DoT  44 light
              +300 CritDefense         DoT  44 light                     +1% ranged dam to fshp (10m) (10s)
              +225 physical mitigation                
              +225 tactical mitigation       
             
    2 3 2        Maddening Strike                
               232 mainhand damage         495 mainhand damage          481 javelin damage
                 0.5 TtoW from fellowship  303 light damage              +2% ranged dam to fshp (10m) (10s)
              +300 CritDefense         DoT 243     
              +225 physical mitigation                
              +225 tactical mitigation  
                  
    2 3 2 3      Dance of War            
                 1 TtoW from fellowship     -2T                       +1500E 
             +1500E                      +1500E 
              +600 CritDefense         
              +338 physical mitigation                
              +338 tactical mitigation   
                 
    2 3 2 3 2    Conviction              
                 1 TtoW from fellowship  +3000 phyiscal mastery to fshp   
           HoT 220 to fshp             HoT 167                       HoT 167
                                                                     Reduces the amount of threat generated from 
                                                                     d and h by the fshp by 99% (10m) (10s) 
                
    2 3 1        Deflection              
               119 common damage           129 common damage             125 common damage
                -3T                         -3T                           -3T
    
    2 3 1 2      Shield Tactics          
             --------------------------  +1238 tactical mitigation (60s) -------------------------
             -----------------------------  10s stun immunity (20s cooldown) ---------------------
    
    3 3          Goad            
               226 light damage            243 light damage              236 light damage
           DoT  56 light               DoT  60 light                 DoT  58 light
           Potency                     Potency                       Potency
                +0.5T           
    
    3 1          Precise Blow            
               420 mainhand damage         449 light damage              628 javelin damage
                +2T                    DoT t0 on critical/first tick LT   +1% ranged damage for fellowship (10m)(10s)
           ToT   0.5T (total 2T)             
    
    3 1 3        Piercing Strike         
               402 mainhand damage         430 mainhand damage           604 javelin damage
               180 light damage            194 light damage              182 light damage
                +1T                    DoT 303/243 light on critical      +1% ranged damage for fellowship (10m)(10s)
                                           first tick LT 
    3 1 3 1      Spear of Virtue         
               446 mainhand damage         477 mainhand damage           662 javelin damage 
               241 light damage            258 light damage              243 light damage
                +3T                    DoT 303/325 light on critical      +2% ranged damage for fellowship (10m)(10s)
                                           first tick LT   
    
    3 1 2        Fierce Resolve          
           LT  115 light               LT  135 light                 LT   99 light
                10 Targets / 6m             10 Targets / 6m               10 Targets / 25m
    
    3 1 2 3      Resolution              
           LT  557 light               LT  657 light                 LT  482 light 
                10 targets / 6m             10 targets / 6m               10 Targets / 25m
    
    3 1 2 3 2    Exultation of Battle            
           LT  226 light               LT  267 light                 LT  196 light
                10 targets / 6m             10 Targets / 6m               10 Targets / 25m
           ToT   2T (Total 8T)  
                 
    3 2          War-Cry         
                44 light damage             55 light damage               55 light damage
           DoT  44 light               DoT  44 light                 DoT  44 light
           HoT 114                          hard to parry or evade        +1%  tactical damage to fellowship
              +600E (30s) (t1)                
           ToT   2T (Total 8T)               
                10 Targets / 10m
                    
    3 2 3        Brink of Victory                
               226 light damage            303 light damage              295 light damage
          DoT  226 light               DoT 243 light                 DoT 236 light
                +1T                    DoT 331 light on critical          +1%  tactical damage to fellowship
                                           first tick is LT
    
    3 2 3 2      Surety of Death         
               552 mainhand damage         591 mainhand damage           574 javelin damage 
               226 light damage                                          395 light damage
          DoT  302 light               DoT 323 light                 DoT 314 light
              +900E (10s/30s) (t2)     DoT 402 light on critical          +2%  tactical damage to fellowship
                +3T                        first tick is LT
    
    3 2 3 2 3    Desolation              
               302 light damage            323 light damage              314 light damage
          DoT  332 light               DoT 356 light                 DoT 346 light
            -----------------------------  Each Tick 25% f 2s fear ------------------------------
            ---------------------------  3 Targets (6m)  ----------------------------------------
    
    3 2 1 3      Aggression              
               420 mainhand damage         449 mainhand damage           437 javelin damage
              1 TtoW from fellowship   DoT 442 light on critical          +3%  tactical damage to fellowship
                                           first tick LT
    Last edited by Saracan; Apr 07 2012 at 09:46 PM. Reason: readability of the list

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Most Excellent! +rep, good Sir!

    War Cry is still an AoE power in Recklessness stance, up to 10 targets, 10m range. Per description and per my testing, although I didn't test 10 targets.

    Same for Goad, it still applies to up to 3 targets. Tested with 3 targets.
    Last edited by Dwamur; Apr 09 2012 at 09:05 AM.

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Regarding tiered evade buffs in Determination, you wrote:

    Special Note: Using Surety of Death with War-Cry up does not tier up the buff properly; The only way to tier it up is to use Surety of Death twice. This is probably bugged.
    It occurs to me that the reason for this bug is probably that Brink of Victory is supposed to be the Tier 2 evade buff, with Surety of Death as Tier 3. Since Tier 2 (Brink of Victory) is unavailable, the only way to get the extended Tier 3 is to use Surety twice.

    Notice the other two tiered buff lines have 2, 3 and 4-icon tiers, but evade is missing the 3-icon tier.

    The buff nomenclature also supports this.

    Tier 1:
    Impressive Flourish: Enduring Armor Use
    Persevere: Enduring Shieldwork
    War Cry: Enduring Evasion

    Tier 2:
    Maddening Strike: Advanced Armor Use (or Enduring Advanced Armor Use if tiered)
    Safeguard: Advanced Shieldwork (or Enduring Advanced Shieldwork if tiered)
    Brink of Victory: *Should* be Advanced Evasion (or Enduring Advanced Evasion if tiered), but missing

    Tier 3:
    Dance of War: Expert Armor Use (or Enduring Expert Armor Use if tiered)
    Celebration of Skill: Expert Shieldwork (or Enduring Expert Shieldwork if tiered)
    Surety of Death: Expert Evasion (or Enduring Expert Evasion if tiered)

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwamur View Post
    Most Excellent! +rep, good Sir!

    War Cry is still an AoE power in Recklessness stance, up to 10 targets, 10m range. Per description and per my testing, although I didn't test 10 targets.

    Same for Goad, it still applies to up to 3 targets. Tested with 3 targets.
    Whoops, forgot to put that detail in there. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll fix it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LagunaD View Post
    Regarding tiered evade buffs in Determination, ...
    Yeah, that was my thinking as well. I didn't dwell on it in the OP because I didn't want to waste space with my own supposition, but I think you're right. Looks to me like they forgot to turn the switch on that gambit from old version to new version. Or just forgot to add the evade. Whoops. Just another of a long list of bugs...
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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    None of the T1 buffs effect subsequent T2 and T3 buffs. So War cry, Impressive Flourish, and Persevere all give buffs, but are overwritten by T2 and T3 versions, and will not proc if those versions are already up. On the plus side, The T1 buffs are all long buffs by default. So its a cheap way to put up a T1 buff for a long time while concentrating on other things. This is particularly true of Persevere if you aren't stacking HoTs. Use it once and you've got a significant +block buff for 30-50s.

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Quote Originally Posted by LagunaD View Post
    Tier 3:
    Dance of War: Expert Armor Use (or Enduring Expert Armor Use if tiered)
    Just to clear up some confusing (to me) tidbits here:
    You say ''or Enduring Expert Armor Use if tiered'' ...well its already Tier 3, are you saying that it's Enduring blah blah blah only if you've done the respective Tier 1 and Tier 2 gambits first?
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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]


    It works for the other buffs as well (except for Surety of Death, which is currently bugged.)
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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    U6.1:
    >>
    All Warden physical bleeds will now use the damage type of the weapon that inflicted them.
    >>

    No more Common DoT, it'll be MH or Shield DoT. On that note, Shield Bash likely does "shield" damage, whatever that happens to be - depending on whether the shield has a damage type other than common applied to it at the time.

    I'd test, but the servers are down.

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Fantastic thread!

    I'm only just dusting my warden down after being out-of-action since the level 65 game (have been playing Captain/ RK solely). Started out levelling completely blind after all of the changes.

    This will really, really help! Thanks a bunch

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Incredible work!

    I started my tenth alt and first warden just two weeks ago, and I became immediately frustrated by the lack of official documentation... (or just plain wrong). Then I found your thread!

    I'm using your work as reference while I level up and I'm currently trying to learn (just to limit the strain on my poor old memory cells) only determination stance for the moment, since it seems the best all-purpose stance, at least for my play-style.

    I just found a little something that seems lacking however (speaking of determination stance): In the Heal Over Time section is not mentioned Impressive Flourish (23), which gives me the same HOT effect of Persevere (21) (and, strangely enough, it is even mentioned in the tooltip! :-) )

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    This thread deserves to be bumped. How can we make it a sticky?
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    Cool Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Fantastic thread, thanks for putting that all together! Thanks for the bump too...never would have seen it otherwise.
    Last edited by elbow-man; Jun 01 2012 at 05:42 PM.

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Quote Originally Posted by EtherSunrider View Post
    This thread deserves to be bumped. How can we make it a sticky?
    There's no more stickies. I guess we could add a link to one of the existing stickies, or capture this in a lorebook page.

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    Re: Asto's Gambit Compendium [Warning: Comprehensive]

    Trying to come back after a very long layoff. Trying to pick up with a higher level character is not so easy in lotr with the sheer number of skills to use situationally. With warden it is harder still since the gambits just become second nature after enough levels. Add to that the changes in the last update and it gets even harder. This post was probably the single best one I read to get back into wardening.

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    After reading through this work of dedication, I can once again play my Warden. Giving rep doesn't seem to be a high enough reward. Thank you.

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    I, myself, am in the process of trying to digest all this info and put it into a spreadsheet. I wanted to chart the power/damage per gambit, figure out a curve and then back track it to the lower levels (my toon is 33 now) but, with all the gambits for even one Stance, it seems like it would be hard to read when graphed. THEN I discovered the importance of listing stuff by Stance. So, IF the power cost is the same (per level the way damage is listed), THEN you can use columns for damage according to stance. So/then, you can sort the spreadsheet by stance and/or input sequence. Yes? No?

    I also have a column for effect (i.e., D for Defensive, T for Threat, B for Bleed, L for Leach/Lifetap. I also have a column for number of attacks (some have 2 or 3 per gambit) and I have a single column for N Number effected/R Range.

    I'll see if I can upload the current version and come back and add a link. (Humm, can I upload, and can this page display, a spreadsheet?)

    I can't figure out how to upload a spreadsheet.

    NEVER MIND. I got tired of reading all of the 'I like this' pages that I stopped reading. After continuing to read, I found what I was looking for.
    Last edited by PGR; Sep 10 2012 at 10:55 PM.

  20. #70
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    use of battle memory and battle prep

    I'm realy impressed by your work. Everybody must be able to adhere a list of gambits for the most common situations.
    The better memory/experience u have the better u can adept to special circumstances i suppose by using the most suitible gambits in a special situation (interups, no AoE or whatever)
    But how to deal with battle prep? What's the best gambit(s) to perform before starting off the fight? Load ex of Battle while running an start the fight against a big mob getting 8T in a fs as tank?
    Is it wise to use goad, defensive strike or deft strike every time between the gambits to load the longer gambits into battle memory and thus being able to shoot them twice in a row? thus tiering up for example surity of death?
    In other words where is the tread with discussion about this cause i'm not realy grasping everything and would like some up to date info about this. (an old thead is in the warden guides but i think it's outdated. (not sure about this)
    To close this post. I again would like to expres my admiration for the maker.
    (excuses for my English, i'm not a native speaker)
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  21. #71
    This is a pretty amazing list. Good job on it.

    Warden is my only character at the moment and I'm trying to learn the class well. I want to be a good Warden. I think the best thing to do for myself is realize it's going to take time to master this class. Hopefully I'll be grouped with people who understand this and will allow a little room for error.

    I should most likely master one stance but for some reason I always try and stance dance and get the best of all stances. Sometimes it doesn't work out that well. ;P

    Again thanks for this post. It's a been really great to read so far.
    “I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.” Faramir

  22. #72
    Hi.
    Just checking - will there be an update to this thread with the new RoR expansion out?
    Is there something worth updating? (my Warden is too low level to notice yet)
    Or will there be a new version of this thread?

    The information here is VERY useful, so I hope it can be updated...

    Thanks!

  23. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by semmelbroesel View Post
    Hi.
    Just checking - will there be an update to this thread with the new RoR expansion out?
    Is there something worth updating? (my Warden is too low level to notice yet)
    Or will there be a new version of this thread?

    The information here is VERY useful, so I hope it can be updated...

    Thanks!
    I took an extended break from the game and have not been able to get back on for quite some time, so the information currently there is from after U6.

    However, I hope to return to the game in the next week or so. Once I do, I will work on updating the OP to include any changes that have occurred since May. I honestly am not sure how much will change as I have not gotten a chance to look at the changes in-depth, but at the very least I'll need to scale up the DPS numbers and add any new gambits we got.

    Expect an updated chart within the next 2 weeks.
    [CENTER][COLOR=#008080]ASTO[/COLOR] [wrd] : [COLOR=#008080]BISMUTH[/COLOR] [brg] : [COLOR=#ff0000]BEDBUG[/COLOR] [wrg] : [COLOR=#ff0000]OTSA[/COLOR] [wl]
    [B][URL="http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?451496-Asto-s-Gambit-Compendium-Warning-Comprehensive"][COLOR=#ff8c00]Asto's Gambit Compendium[/COLOR][/URL][/B][/CENTER]

  24. #74

    ToT stack

    in determination how much do the ToTs stack??

  25. #75
    Well, after much delaying on my end, I finally got around to updating this guide to RoR standards. I didn't include anything on mounted combat (maybe one day....), but all the damage numbers have been changed to reflect how I now sit at level 85, the new gambits have been added, and any other changes that occurred between April and now have been included (most notably a number of bug fixes). I also made some cosmetic changes regarding the layout, to make it look a little nicer.

    As always, I'm by no means perfect, and I did this all in one long sitting, so it is very likely that there are a few typos/errors in my work. If you notice something that's wrong or feels like it could be off, please don't hesitate to bring it to my attention and I will fix it promptly.

    I hope it helps!
    [CENTER][COLOR=#008080]ASTO[/COLOR] [wrd] : [COLOR=#008080]BISMUTH[/COLOR] [brg] : [COLOR=#ff0000]BEDBUG[/COLOR] [wrg] : [COLOR=#ff0000]OTSA[/COLOR] [wl]
    [B][URL="http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?451496-Asto-s-Gambit-Compendium-Warning-Comprehensive"][COLOR=#ff8c00]Asto's Gambit Compendium[/COLOR][/URL][/B][/CENTER]

 

 
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