That's why I think that now is the right time to merge all the anthem of war legacies, and create new with the 2 slots that would be created. I also propose to change the + targets with call of the second age to + targets with AoE skills (call of orome, cry of the wizard and valar).
I think it's a good trade-off for the nerfs.
I´m pretty sure those nerfs have nothing to do with PvP
A Warspeech nerf in the Moors is (according to Orion) and should be coming, however those nerfs have PvE-based reasons
Before RoI it was better to bring 1 Minstrel and 1 RK than either 2 Minstrels or 2 RKs, right now the best way is to bring 2 Minstrels, because their utility is far better than RK´s and they produce the same HPS (in a style that fits Orthanc better than RK healing, because you need lots of big burst heals there)
So they buffed RKs, to bring them in line with Minstrels
I´m pretty sure the nerfs to Minstrels are because the Devs believe that the synergy of the 2 classes working together and the changes to RKs, which brings the 2 classes on the same level again, make Endgame too easy
So they had to nerf Minstrels a bit, to make room for RK improvements
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It used to be Minstrels were the better healers, RKs had the better damage. Both could fill the role but both had their strengths. Mini DPS is nowhere near RKs, but minis had the better utility and when DPSing had better survivability.
RKs now have just as good healing with near as good utility while doing it, and still have astronomically higher damage. Really the only advantage the mini has now is self healing while in WS. So if we nerf minstrel utility and survivability (Bubble reduced to half, new incoming nerf of WS healing by 50% or more according to some of you), why would anyone role a mini? The RK does everything and more. I'm not saying the RK was fine as she was, the boost to healing and utility was needed to bring them "inline", but the nerf most people want on the minis will make PvE difficult, and DPSing as a mini a joke, and pushes us far underneath the abilities of an RK.
Not to mention, with the balland/anthem/coda wipe glitch still around, if one mini is healing it's even more risky to bring a DPS mini along a raid, and few people already do that. I really think a WS nerf will murder the mini.
Mind you, I'm coming from the PvE side of this, I'm in no way referring to moors mechanics.
Orion didn't not say there was any nerf incoming. "Yet" only implies that it is possible, but not slated. Between now and U7 "yet" could be turned into "not". They could have easily nerfed WS with U6, the coding for a reduce healing is already there, "yet" they didn't. They just buffed Wardens, do you think in the very next update they'll nerf them? Keep in mind they are in the the "yet" statement too.
IMO, they are waiting to see how things play out. In all honestly, in PvE land, minis aren't all that "OP" when compared to other classes. They are healers (almost exclusively) in group content and that is WAI. Outside of group content in PvE land they are awesomesause for sure, but then again most of the classes are. The changes we saw with U6, IMO, where to make room for RKs healers while not buffing RKs significantly.
IF...IF there is a WS nerf it will be because of PvMP and as Wilwerin noted, Turbine simply does not nerf classes for PvP reasons.
PvE minis, now are fine (they dont squeeze out RK healers)
IE: No significant nerf likely, they just haven't "yet" made it official.
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