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    New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Can the Devs please do something about the housing shortage in Bree-Land on Brandywine?

    Either add new neighbourhoods, or if that is'nt possible, dismiss the owners who have been offline for years on end... There's got to be some.

    Please.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    They get dismissed if they haven't paid their upkeep for 6 weeks. After that all their stuff goes and they have I think two weeks to recover otherwise it's gone forever.
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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorebane View Post
    They get dismissed if they haven't paid their upkeep for 6 weeks. After that all their stuff goes and they have I think two weeks to recover otherwise it's gone forever.
    They're locked out if they haven't paid their rent but they can still come back and reopen it if they pay back rent. What the OP is asking for, I believe, is that the house is totally taken from them and is available for resale.
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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Correct. Once you fail to pay upkeep the house gets locked, the decoration and chestitems get moved to the escrow stash, but you're still the owner no matter what.

    A housing revamp has been demanded for years without anything happening sadly.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    I believe the genesis of housing was that in the beginning, people WERE evicted from their houses, with the escrow holding the items for 2 more weeks. This apparently was changed after complaints to the current policy of never evicting ever. Which can be considered monumentally stupid, because the obvious way to go would have been to evict (probably after a couple of months) but let escrow last a long time/indefinetely.
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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    I agree.
    If your house is locked for, let's say, three months, it should become available to the public, but your stuff should be kept safe for, say, a year.
    Indefinitely sounds like a bad idea, because some people might (just might) exploit this as free storage space for housing items.
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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by Norway2011 View Post
    Can the Devs please do something about the housing shortage in Bree-Land on Brandywine?

    Either add new neighbourhoods...
    As far as I know a new neighbourhood is automatically created as soon as all houses of a certain type are occupied, so there can't be a shortage.
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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ingaras View Post
    As far as I know a new neighbourhood is automatically created as soon as all houses of a certain type are occupied, so there can't be a shortage.
    When Turbine designed the housing system, Turbine also designed all the possible neighborhoods. Once all the neighborhoods exist in the world, there are no more. There is an upper limit.

    Brandywine has hit the limit. All homes are on sales in some racial areas. It has been this way for two years. Brandywine may be at the point or close to the point where all houses in every racial area are on sale.

    Turbine could the number of communities. That would increase the operating cost of the game. Turbine would have to buy additional servers to support all those houses. I do not see Turbine allowing the fixed costs to go up.

    What surprises me is the lack of fussing from players on Brandywine. This situation seems to indicate that housing is not heavily used. Not important to the majority of the customer based. Lack of importance results in no application of Turbine resources.

    IMHO - Unless lots of people start fussing, this issue not going to get resolved. It is unlikely any work will be done on housing. Perhaps if more servers hit their physical limit, the noise level would rise above "We can not hear you".
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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by Norway2011 View Post
    Can the Devs please do something about the housing shortage in Bree-Land on Brandywine?

    Either add new neighbourhoods, or if that is'nt possible, dismiss the owners who have been offline for years on end... There's got to be some.
    Since that is your first post... Welcome to the forums.

    What you're asking for is a frequent request, and much debated. The time from failing to pay upkeep on a house until it is freed up and put back on the market is subject to a lot of opinions. Time lines people call for vary from "immediately" to "never".

    Originally, when you ran out of payments covering upkeep (6 weeks at most), the house was released. At that time, there was a lot of activity of moving reserve military personnel on overseas deployments, and people felt--with some justification--that having a system that meant they might come back from Iraq to no house was a bad move. As a result, Turbine switched to never "foreclosing" houses at all.

    If you search, you will find many threads (mostly in Suggestions) for ways to release lapsed houses back onto the market.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by Yula_the_Mighty View Post
    Brandywine has hit the limit. All homes are on sales in some racial areas. It has been this way for two years. Brandywine may be at the point or close to the point where all houses in every racial area are on sale.
    Yula, let me start by saying that I usually enjoy your posts. They are helpful and often have a nice touch of humor. Unfortunately the above quote is just confusing the heck out of me. Wouldn't houses being for sale be a good thing? Perhaps you meant that they are all sold? I'm not making fun of you..... I'm just confused.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tzviden View Post
    Yula, let me start by saying that I usually enjoy your posts. They are helpful and often have a nice touch of humor. Unfortunately the above quote is just confusing the heck out of me. Wouldn't houses being for sale be a good thing? Perhaps you meant that they are all sold? I'm not making fun of you..... I'm just confused.

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    It is ok. It means that I done a poor job of writing. I have introduced confusion instead of understanding. Not unusual here. Let me try again.

    Houses can be in one several states:

    1) Do not exist yet. The neighborhood has not been created by software.

    2) Created - No owner. On sale

    3) Created - Has owner. Sold

    4) Created - Abandoned - Being repaired for sale.

    When said 'on sale', I used the wrong words. I meant point 3. Sold

    The original problem on Brandywine was that all the Deluxes home in Hobbit housing? were sold. At some point that will change to all Deluxes will be sold. There will be zero Dwarf, Elf, Hobbit or Human deluxes. The same issue will probably happen with starter homes.

    IMHO - Kin Halls are immune. There are lots of them. There is a kinship disband procedure that releases some kin halls back to the pool of on sale kin halls.
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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Just did a quick count on Brandywine, Bree housing 325 neighborhoods NO deluxe or single houses. Well over 600 kin houses, with 1-4 in each 'hood. Shire housing 244 neighborhoods 7 deluxe, 30+ singles. Looks like we found the per server max..

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Definetly something needs to be done about more housing.
    This seems to be a server wide issue with many kin houses available, some small houses and vitually zero Delux.
    If A player goes 6 months with out logging in they should lose the house. Hold thier stuff in escrow for another 6 months
    to 1 year that would free up houses and be fair to those that have real life Issues.
    Really think that Turbine was trying to do a good thing as was stated before witht he troop deployments and other real life
    issues but it has created another issue and there must be a happy middle line IMHO I think 6 months before eviction and 1 year of escrow meets that happy medium. Please Turbine do Something.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by NickStern View Post
    If A player goes 6 months with out logging in they should lose the house.
    Make it 2 years for paying players and 6 months for free ones, and I think that would be reasonable. I also think it would almost instantly free up at least half the houses across the entire game (with more coming available each month afterwords).

    When someone is "evicted" in this manner, just give paying customers a token that lets them buy the same size house in a different neighborhood. Free players are on their own (but could still recover their stuff from escrow).

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    I am all for increasing housing availabilty. I am NOT for taking away houses from those that have purchased them no matter how long they have been "unused". I have taken extended periods away from the game and always eventually wander back. The one thing that would turn me permenately away from the game would be to have my house taken from me. My house is next to my Kin Hall and my other friends.

    While we are on the issue of houses, why not make houses worth while? They are currently not much more then a place for an extra bank.
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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by Khafar View Post
    Make it 2 years for paying players and 6 months for free ones, and I think that would be reasonable. I also think it would almost instantly free up at least half the houses across the entire game (with more coming available each month afterwords).

    When someone is "evicted" in this manner, just give paying customers a token that lets them buy the same size house in a different neighborhood. Free players are on their own (but could still recover their stuff from escrow).

    Khafar
    Personally feel that 2 years is too long but would agree 6 months may be to short maybe some where in the middle like say a year to 18 months. Or base it on level say Vip 2 years as long as they Stay VIP or 1 year from dropping to premium.
    Premium could get 1 year and F2P 6 months.....

    Yeah the Idea of a token for a free house of the same type in any neighborhood you could find it is a great Idea and would solve alot of the I bought it it does not matter if I do not use it arguments.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikivaup View Post
    I am all for increasing housing availabilty. I am NOT for taking away houses from those that have purchased them no matter how long they have been "unused". I have taken extended periods away from the game and always eventually wander back. The one thing that would turn me permenately away from the game would be to have my house taken from me. My house is next to my Kin Hall and my other friends.

    While we are on the issue of houses, why not make houses worth while? They are currently not much more then a place for an extra bank.
    Well accept you did not really buy it you rent it thats why upkeep has to be paid.....
    try not paying the rent for 6 months or longer in real life....
    And it is not like you paid real money it is in game gold.....Oh heck got to go do a couple quests kill a few mobs and Buy another house....
    I understand breaks and being away and not wanting to lose the house next to your Kin house and friends....but come on cant find time to log in once every six months or so to keep the house?

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Maybe allow individuals to own kin houses?
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    Thumbs up Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    They have 6 weeks to pre-pay. After that give them a 2 week grace period after that when they can buy back the house at a reduced price and if it still isn't done then their stuff goes into escrow for two years. After that... poof. It's gone. If someone hasn't logged in after two years to even check something, given someone else a "power of attorney" in-game to handle things for them, or some sort of steps then they obviously aren't going to come back.

    As for the "but I take a break here and there!" people - cry me a river. I've taken breaks measured in months and I've not yet had stuff go into escrow. Then again I know what that thing called a "calendar" is for - I've got all the "6 week LotRO rent due" days marked on it. If you know you're going to be gone with no internet access for more than 6 weeks then add a few people you trust to the permissions list so they can pay the rent for you and you handle repayment when you get back. You don't even have to grant them other permissions. When I had to be out of state for a bit I gave my brother 10 gold, added his characters to the maintenance permission, and when I got back the house was fully paid.

    Yes some very rare cases of a disaster-relief specialist or military personnel MIGHT have to leave abruptly with less than a days notice and be gone for more than 2 months at a stretch. But I would be very surprised if there are more than 50 total in this game and I doubt they're so hung up on keeping a virtual house that they won't be understanding.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilTreerat View Post
    They have 6 weeks to pre-pay. After that give them a 2 week grace period after that when they can buy back the house at a reduced price and if it still isn't done then their stuff goes into escrow for two years. After that... poof. It's gone. If someone hasn't logged in after two years to even check something, given someone else a "power of attorney" in-game to handle things for them, or some sort of steps then they obviously aren't going to come back.

    As for the "but I take a break here and there!" people - cry me a river. I've taken breaks measured in months and I've not yet had stuff go into escrow. Then again I know what that thing called a "calendar" is for - I've got all the "6 week LotRO rent due" days marked on it. If you know you're going to be gone with no internet access for more than 6 weeks then add a few people you trust to the permissions list so they can pay the rent for you and you handle repayment when you get back. You don't even have to grant them other permissions. When I had to be out of state for a bit I gave my brother 10 gold, added his characters to the maintenance permission, and when I got back the house was fully paid.

    Yes some very rare cases of a disaster-relief specialist or military personnel MIGHT have to leave abruptly with less than a days notice and be gone for more than 2 months at a stretch. But I would be very surprised if there are more than 50 total in this game and I doubt they're so hung up on keeping a virtual house that they won't be understanding.
    Good Point completely forgot about the ability to give friends permission to pay upkeep.
    There is absolutly no reason for someone not to be able to keep up with rent payments so yeah definetly would stand buy the idea of the houses going back for others to use if not paid for in 6 months to a year tops.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by NickStern View Post
    Personally feel that 2 years is too long...
    No, it isn't. They changed it to "keep it forever" because losing a house is a big deal to people who might want to come back to the game, and the eviction interval should be set to the longest period of time which will still achieve the goal of opening up sufficient housing to current players. This game has had housing for nearly 4.5 years now, and by setting it to 2 years, they would easily free up half the existing houses. Is that not enough, somehow? Is the demand so huge that it will just fill back up again in a few months if literally thousands of houses on each server open up immediately, with more opening up every month after that?

    Currently, the limit is "forever". Compared with that, 2 years is quite short.

    As for the idea of "paying upkeep for friends"... that's simply not sufficient. I've seen people arrange that, then have the person who was supposed to pay either drop off the radar themselves - or simply forget to make those payments. If they want to rely on something like that, let people pay in advance - for up to 2 years or so. I've taken 5 months off from this game before, and my current break is likely to last for a year. Yet I most definitely still want the house I've had since Day #1 to still be there when I return.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Quote Originally Posted by Khafar View Post
    No, it isn't. They changed it to "keep it forever" because losing a house is a big deal to people who might want to come back to the game, and the eviction interval should be set to the longest period of time which will still achieve the goal of opening up sufficient housing to current players. This game has had housing for nearly 4.5 years now, and by setting it to 2 years, they would easily free up half the existing houses. Is that not enough, somehow? Is the demand so huge that it will just fill back up again in a few months if literally thousands of houses on each server open up immediately, with more opening up every month after that?

    Currently, the limit is "forever". Compared with that, 2 years is quite short.

    As for the idea of "paying upkeep for friends"... that's simply not sufficient. I've seen people arrange that, then have the person who was supposed to pay either drop off the radar themselves - or simply forget to make those payments. If they want to rely on something like that, let people pay in advance - for up to 2 years or so. I've taken 5 months off from this game before, and my current break is likely to last for a year. Yet I most definitely still want the house I've had since Day #1 to still be there when I return.

    Khafar
    perhaps but between paying as far in advance as possible giving gold to a friend or friends you trust and makeing an effort to sign in at least once a year should be sufficient to keep the house for the year you may be gone ( say you in the general sense and since you said a year for your current break) bt if your on break and can make the effort to post in forums of which I see you post alot and enjoy reading your posts, you definetly can make the effort to pop in for the minute to pay upkeep.
    1 Year is more then enough time for a house to be unused and that should be the upper limit IMO.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    2 years is fair as it hopefully is enough time for members of the armed forces to deal with.

    After 2 years escrow the goods and put the house back on the market.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Seen this a few times in the forums, if someone is willing to give 10 Gold to another player for upkeep, why not save the step, and increase the prepaid period.

    1. Failure to pay upkeep results in the house being released back to the market.
    2. Allow players to prepay up to 6 months in advance. (or longer)
    3. Check box in the maintenance panel "Auto deduct housing upkeep from bank."

    The auto deduct method worked very well in another game I've played. It would also refund all upkeep funds if you lost your house due to lack of funds. You wouldn't want players losing all their money and their house. That's just down right mean.

    It would also show how many days you can rent for at the innkeeper. "You can pay upkeep for xxx days with the gold in hand and in the bank." In the case of LoTRO would show xxx days in the maintenance panel.

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    Re: New Neighbourhoods or dismissing "abandoned" houses...

    Two minor things that might either bring some houses back on the market or--at least--make more houses "active"...

    1. Drop the requirement to make up the back payments in order to abandon a house. If you want let a house go, having the make up the back payments first is asinine.

    2. Change the code so that you can't "port to house" if your payments aren't current.

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