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  1. #1
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    Notation Troubleshooting

    My first try with an ABC file using the limited information on the Lorebook keeps coming up with "Error with ABC notation" when I try to play it. Could someone with more knowledge than me figure this out?

    The code:

    X:1
    Q:76
    M:4/4
    L:1/4
    K:Cmaj
    |c/2 d/2 e g d/2 e/2 |c2 z e/2 g/2 |f c c g |e2 d c/2 d/2 |e g2 d/2 e/2 |c3 e/2 g/2 |a2 g e |d2 z C/2 D/2 |E G E D |C2 z E/2 G/2 |A c B G |E2 D C/2 D/2 |E G E D |C2 z E/2 G/2 |A2 A G/2 E/2 |D4 |C/2 D/2 E B,2 |A,2 z/2 E/2 A/2 B/2 |c2 d/4 c/4 B/2 G |E2 D C/2 D/2 |E2 B,2 |A,2 z/2 E/2 A/2 B/2 |c2 d-d/2 c/4 d/4 |e2-e/2 c/2 A/2 c/2 |c G3 |G2 z z/2 F/4 G/4 |A_-A_/2 G/4 F/4 E_-E_/2 F/4 G/4 |F2 E_ D |C2 B,_-B,_/2 B,/4 B,/4 |C3 z/2 F/4 G/4 |A_2 B_ D/2 E/2 |F^ A F^ E |D2 z F^/2 A/2 |B2 z/2 d/2 c^/2 A/2 |F^2 E D/2 E/2 |F^ A F^ E |D2 z/2 D/2 F^/2 A/2 |B2 z/2 B/2 A/2 F^/2 |E2-E/2 F^/2 E/2 D/2 |D4 ||

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    Re: Notation Troubleshooting

    I'm guessing it's all those underscores you have in there.
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    Re: Notation Troubleshooting

    Then how do you make notes flat?
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    Re: Notation Troubleshooting

    You don't. For instance, instead of notating B flat, you notate A sharp. It all amounts to the same thing as far as the game is concerned.
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    Re: Notation Troubleshooting

    It is the accidentals that's the trouble, but for once Fionnnuala is wrong (sorry). It would be kind of a bummer to use a notation system that didn't allow flats ... not so much for the sake of theory as from a music perception perspective, there's a world of difference between how you, as a listener, perceive A sharp and B flat in any musical context.

    Sure, they are the same pitch in well tempered tuning so they are freely interchangeable performance wise. The LOTRO synth is equally happy playing both regardless of context. In that respect Fionnuala is right.

    Flats work fine, you just need to use the correct notation for the flat; prefix with underscore (not suffix with underscore like you did). Same with your sharps. Prefix, not suffix. Example: F# in ABC notation is ^F; Bb is _B. Change that and your ABC plays.

    Code:
    X:1
    Q:76
    M:4/4
    L:1/4
    K:Cmaj
    |c/2 d/2 e g d/2 e/2 |c2 z e/2 g/2 |f c c g |e2 d c/2 d/2 |e g2 d/2 e/2 |c3 e/2 g/2 |a2 g e |d2 z C/2 D/2 |E G E D |C2 z E/2 G/2 |A c B G |E2 D C/2 D/2 |E G E D |C2 z E/2 G/2 |A2 A G/2 E/2 |D4 |C/2 D/2 E B,2 |A,2 z/2 E/2 A/2 B/2 |c2 d/4 c/4 B/2 G |E2 D C/2 D/2 |E2 B,2 |A,2 z/2 E/2 A/2 B/2 |c2 d-d/2 c/4 d/4 |e2-e/2 c/2 A/2 c/2 |c G3 |G2 z z/2 F/4 G/4 |_A-_A/2 G/4 F/4 _E-_E/2 F/4 G/4 |F2 _E D |C2 _B,-_B,/2 B,/4 B,/4 |C3 z/2 F/4 G/4 |_A2 _B D/2 E/2 |^F A ^F E |D2 z ^F/2 A/2 |B2 z/2 d/2 ^c/2 A/2 |^F2 E D/2 E/2 |^F A ^F E |D2 z/2 D/2 ^F/2 A/2 |B2 z/2 B/2 A/2 ^F/2 |E2-E/2 ^F/2 E/2 D/2 |D4 ||
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    Re: Notation Troubleshooting

    I don't think I've ever seen that notation in an abc file for LOTRO. I didn't know it worked in LOTRO. I guess maybe things have changed since the people who taught me to make abcs played the game. I still tend to do things the way they did because I've never heard better abc files than the ones they made.
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    Re: Notation Troubleshooting

    Live and learn!

    When LOTRO MIDI Player transcribes from MIDI it changes everything to C major and uses sharps for every single instance of an altered note. It was easier for Digero programming wise (definitely), and like I already wrote you won't hear any difference on a well tempered instrument.

    I'm probably just an old nitpick.
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    Re: Notation Troubleshooting

    Well, I was taught using midi2abc and at the time my teacher said that LOTRO could only read the key of C major. Perhaps the game changed at some point? I really couldn't say. Perhaps it required new transcribers to come along and experiment for themselves to discover the changes.
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    Re: Notation Troubleshooting

    I only discovered the capability for flats when I started experimenting with Firefern (of Laurelin)'s web-based Midi to ABC converter. But, as mentioned, it doesn't make a difference in sound in game, but does open up opportunities for other ABC sources.
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    Re: Notation Troubleshooting

    I learned the notation from this Lorebook entry by Northman and Northwoods (different people, I think):
    http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Mechanics:ABC_Notation
    That article has been around a long time, though the Lorebook doesn't seem to give a "posted on" date. I've used the underscores for flat signs since the beginning with no problem. I'm a founder, but I didn't start transcribing till the calendar year after release. I've also used several different keys, following the lead of the Lorebook article.

    Phede's comment about music perception is a good reminder--leading tones in live music performance may be bent upward a little, and real-life instruments can have distinct intonation personalities. That could also explain why ABC files in-game, especially when there are parts doubled, can sound a little off-key. I wonder if anyone has taken an electronic tuner to the in-game notes on each instrument.
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