Snowbourn EM rankings

[Tolgaring]

&&&&ing Turbine, I wrote a very long reply to Tolg, sitting him back in his little place and I got logged out, lost post, cba to re-write.

I always copy/paste my posts in Word before I post it, so I'm sure it won't be lost when I log out..

The jist was, Evernight has always been hardmode in comparison to Snowbourn, especially for freeps. Go to Evernight and use that statement about me. Lots of other stuff about you repeating your mute points. And a point about do you need to be Lionl Messi to point out that Andy Carrol was a waste of money? No.

Let me please go in my analysis mode then.


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So as you say, Evernight has always been hardmode in comparison to Snowbourn.
a) You have never been on Snowbourn, only for the past 8-9 months. So who are you to decide whether Snowbourn was harder? I heard from some people that the skill level is / was actually higher here than on Evernight, but then again the ones I hear it from could not be reliable? I guess a Bk10 Superüberveteran could know better, even though permabans have been in the way!
b) I'm not saying either ones' tab is better, but have a closer look at both, and let me conclude:
- Laphor has a better renown/kill amount;
- Laphor has a ''better'' amount of deaths;
- Laphor has less KBs;
- Laphor has WAY less KaR.

So let me go into all of them then:
The better renown/kill amount is ~5 (19 vs 24), but both are ''pretty low'' in comparison to some other wartabs around; these two tabs though are better relatable. There's not much to say about both since I don't know Laphor, but as Ethel said himself he tried out stuff, such as grouping and raiding, where Laphor maybe was never interested in this.

The amount of deaths tells us a lot how Laphor possibly has played, because amount of deaths can explain a lot. Now for my objective analysis, there's 2 likely possibilities:
1) Laphor was an intense hugger and the first to run when the Freeps were (about) to wipe,
2) Laphor was a raider, or usually had a pocket captain, OR many people liked him so he always received heals.

If we go for number 1, that could explain his wartab pretty much: He was in the back, shooting targets at a safe distance, focusing on one target at a time - Once the creep died, he received 20-30 points, since the system was shared. Because he was at the back he could escape easier and that's one of the reasons he could have that amount of deaths.

If we go for number 2, it could explain his tab as much as number 1 does, because healing back then didn't reward, yet Captains and Lore-masters could give their heals if they would want to. If Laphor was a known guy and a respected person this is a high possibility: Many kills, no 'drawbacks' by leeching - aka a higher avg renown.

Laphor has 9505 kbs less than Etheldar, but Etheldar has 28003 more kills. Both Kb/k ratios are:
Etheldar, 3.8 kills per 1 kb
Laphor, 4.2 kills per 1 kb

This means Laphor could, looking to these stats in same circumstances (or, Theoretically), never hit the amount of KBs that Ethel had. This leads then again to a conclusion that Ethel either tried harder to get Kbs, was smarter in his process or that Ethel tried to target multiple people, which also explains his amount of kills. Try 3-4 Rain of Thorns (not sure of the name) in a big fight, once creeps wipe you have way more kills than when you solely target ''easy'' kills, both will earn you a lot of points, but one option gives you less kills at a certain amount of points.

Lastly, this practically goes together with the amount of deaths Laphor has, and I can't say much about that, but if freepside was so hard, Laphor would and should have way more deaths than he would have now, because once more:

"A wartab can show you what a player is like."

So in conclusion, Laphor got his wartab by either hugging a lot, or solo-targetting and not as much AoE.

[Atriohm]

1) Laphor was an intense hugger and the first to run when the Freeps were (about) to wipe,

This sums it up pretty much.

[Zelol]

Trampin is an intense hugger.

You can't really compare the action between 2 servers using level 65 wartabs when both Tol and Nebi didn't play on each server at 65. Wartab analysis is also pretty pointless because there are so many variables that come into it over a long period of time such as delaying damage to have a higher chance of getting a killing blow or graveyard camping which would yield lower renown per kill on lower ranked creeps.

One of the hunters could have fraided without thinking about it for longer than the other or could have been actively playing in 1v1 circles for longer than the other.

Different players, different playstyles.

[Tolgaring]

Trampin is an intense hugger.

You can't really compare the action between 2 servers using level 65 wartabs when both Tol and Nebi didn't play on each server at 65. Wartab analysis is also pretty pointless because there are so many variables that come into it over a long period of time such as delaying damage to have a higher chance of getting a killing blow or graveyard camping which would yield lower renown per kill on lower ranked creeps.

One of the hunters could have fraided without thinking about it for longer than the other or could have been actively playing in 1v1 circles for longer than the other.

Different players, different playstyles.

I'm trying to find it, I may hit him on facebook to ask him for it, but I'm pretty darn sure that Laphor @ R15 had less kills and more kbs. Bare with me.

Also, the "my people" linking stuff from this time. Link back to Eth linking Ongbyrz's wartab. That's been a since day one. Check those kill/kbs even if it is only r13.

I merely tried to point the same out, but your friend over here thought differently. So I had to come to the point where we'd go in an analysis.

[Krucipisek]

Let me please go in my analysis mode then.

I think u missed one basic difference. U was comparing melee vs ranged. (pre ROI) I wont mention that hunter was more OP then champ.

If we go for number 1, that could explain his wartab pretty much: He was in the back, shooting targets at a safe distance, focusing on one target at a time - Once the creep died, he received 20-30 points, since the system was shared. Because he was at the back he could escape easier and that's one of the reasons he could have that amount of deaths.

Bow champ hugging group / raid / zergball getting 20-30 renowns per kill? It was imposible, at that time renowns/infamy was counting from dmg u did to oponent.

Try 3-4 Rain of Thorns (not sure of the name) in a big fight, once creeps wipe you have way more kills than when you solely target ''easy'' kills, both will earn you a lot of points, but one option gives you less kills at a certain amount of points.

U mean Rain of Arrows. Use of that skill was different in that time then now. And it only point at certain play style.


sorry but u analysed something what u cant compare

[Tolgaring]

I think u missed one basic difference. U was comparing melee vs ranged. (pre ROI) I wont mention that hunter was more OP then champ.

Please can I redirect you to my posts before you make such a dumb reply, I was not comparing a champion to a hunter.

Bow champ hugging group / raid / zergball getting 20-30 renowns per kill? It was imposible, at that time renowns/infamy was counting from dmg u did to oponent.

Please, can I redirect you once again. Because this is kinda sad.

U mean Rain of Arrows. Use of that skill was different in that time then now. And it only point at certain play style.

Jesus christs.

sorry but u analysed something what u cant compare

sorry but u just beat the riiturd meter there.

[Mitholean]

I have come to the conclusion Tolg wins arguments by beating people into submission.

I'll drop a few things into the reply. I was never here to question peoples play style etc, I like Ethel a lot, gave me a good rotation on wuargg. Laphor has been a friend since level 50, so plzzz no moar.

In my opinion, biased at it, the skill level as a whole, was higher on Evernight. Tolg I'm sure you'll agree on Snowbourn there are like, 70%+ of high ranks that don't deserve that rank. "Back home" rank used to mean something. You saw it, you didn't engage it because it would destroy you.

I did say, at the start of this, that the wartab wasn't as good as you were making out. I do stand by that, but I must take back my point about Laph's being potentially better. If Eth was to hit r15 on the same path, he'd have more kills for sure, but more kbs. (Laph sent me his tab last night).

Tolg get a girlfriend or go to the gym or something brah. @Atroihm y u being a hater?

[Krucipisek]

Then explain to me why u make 1km long post with your stupid analysis? Why u comment every reasonable facts u missed like kiddo?

[Tolgaring]

I have come to the conclusion Tolg wins arguments by beating people into submission.

Thank you, as a matter of fact I do put some effort in achieving that.

I'll drop a few things into the reply. I was never here to question peoples play style etc, I like Ethel a lot, gave me a good rotation on wuargg. Laphor has been a friend since level 50, so plzzz no moar.

You should improve the way of replying in general then, because you (as 90% of your replies) seem to have an attitude of ''That thing offended me'', and that always happens to

In my opinion, biased at it, the skill level as a whole, was higher on Evernight. Tolg I'm sure you'll agree on Snowbourn there are like, 70%+ of high ranks that don't deserve that rank.

"Back home" on Snowbourn is rather "Back in the day", because you also know that 80% of current active high ranks are either transfers or 2012 Veterans.

"Back home" rank used to mean something. You saw it, you didn't engage it because it would destroy you.

And so it once did on our server, before high ranks started to club, but it is a serious issue that is not only server-bound. Besides, if you are so hyped about En, why don't you go back there?

I did say, at the start of this, that the wartab wasn't as good as you were making out.

It, in fact, is still one of the best wartabs of that time on our server, and many of us should and would agree on that; it was what I was pointing out. Yet you always stay to put your friends in before an argument, where you also make them godlike (don't make me quote you about Mere, Lepakko and once more Laphor, because they are your cuddly friends), yet in real they aren't as good as you describe them - no offence intended to any of these mentioned names.

I do stand by that, but I must take back my point about Laph's being potentially better. If Eth was to hit r15 on the same path, he'd have more kills for sure, but more kbs. (Laph sent me his tab last night).

Laph ranked in RoI though, which is once more different times. I think we should leave this point of discussion to a past, since we both do not know when Ethel would have ranked.

Tolg get a girlfriend or go to the gym or something brah.

Why do you put something like that, because I make long posts ?

And who says I'm not doing one of the two..

Then explain to me why u make 1km long post with your stupid analysis? Why u comment every reasonable facts u missed like kiddo?

1) What do you have to look for in this discussion
2) I have freedom of speech and I can write long posts whenever I'd like to
3) Tell me which facts I missed when comparing 2 bloody Hunters and not a f'ng Champion and a Hunter. Are you going fulltard again?
4) My analysis actually had some sense and thought in it, to a certain point where I showed what I had to show, maybe longer than expected, but it was definitely worth it.
5) I'm not a kiddo, im a

14yo with milk on chin

Thank you!

[Etheldar]

Why u comment every reasonable facts u missed like kiddo?

Please... as if your comments would bring anything constructive to the topic that concerns barely 3 people. Gotta love it when suddenly couple of randoms butts in with statements that have no sense nor reference.

[Ladrir]

I agree with Tolg. Mere is a horrible burg and just a pathetic excuse of a hobbit....

[Equendil]

Here's a story:

Once upon a time, I was playing a FPS game quite fervently (UT99 - Capture the Flag, mostly), and became eventually obsessed with my 'stats'. There was that site showing weekly and monthly worldwide rankings in various categories, and I just had to get up there. The ratings were based on the Elo system, which cannot work outside controlled 1v1 situations but game companies love to misuse it anyway. Well, that meant I could game the system.

I figured out that if I played defense, I'd die a whole lot less and my rating would go higher, so I played defense. Exclusively. My rating went up. Then I figured out I could earn more points for 'saving the flag', I just had to let the opposite team pick up the flag before killing them (and occasionally they would get away with it, oh well). I did that too. I figured out that certain maps were not very good for my rating, so I mostly played the same two or three.. My ratings went up and up and up, I even reached the #1 spot for a short while...

Eventually I realized that I was just an average player gaming the system, as countless others were (well, those who weren't cheating anyway). All I had truly achieved was to be a worse defender than I could be in order to polish my stats, a worse player for not going on attack which was my favoured role. I wasn't even having fun.

I deactivated my stats and became a better player.

PS: People who spar their points certainly shouldn't brag about KBs/kills ratios (edit: just to be perfectly clear, sparring results in a 1:1 KBs/kills, by definition, it is just a matter of jumping up & down ...).

[DiorEluchil]

I have come to the conclusion Tolg wins arguments by beating people into submission.

I'll drop a few things into the reply. I was never here to question peoples play style etc, I like Ethel a lot, gave me a good rotation on wuargg. Laphor has been a friend since level 50, so plzzz no moar.

In my opinion, biased at it, the skill level as a whole, was higher on Evernight. Tolg I'm sure you'll agree on Snowbourn there are like, 70%+ of high ranks that don't deserve that rank. "Back home" rank used to mean something. You saw it, you didn't engage it because it would destroy you.

I did say, at the start of this, that the wartab wasn't as good as you were making out. I do stand by that, but I must take back my point about Laph's being potentially better. If Eth was to hit r15 on the same path, he'd have more kills for sure, but more kbs. (Laph sent me his tab last night).

Tolg get a girlfriend or go to the gym or something brah. @Atroihm y u being a hater?

I lol'd... evernight was always behind snow and eldar haha atleast up to roi, what happened after that is of no relevance xD

[Skuruthai]

High Chieftain Skuruthai

[Giliodor]

Gz Skuru For me personally the toughest WL out there ^^

[SaellaMaeyan]

Thank you everyone, freeps and creeps alike =) A couple of days late but made it up to Commander now. Onwards!

[Giliodor]

Gz Commander, you made it before me after all ^^ That Commander's icon makes me want to rank my warden

[Mitholean]

I lol'd... evernight was always behind snow and eldar haha atleast up to roi, what happened after that is of no relevance xD

You've clearly never played on EN, so what is this based on?

If you wana go purely on PvE, EN kicked Snowbourns &&& (glad to have been a part of that) and I'd have to check Mellowship stats but Solstice glitched ToO @ 75. Well aware Eldar pwn'd @ 65, but hey.

@Deru who isn't r11 before you? My reaver was r5 when your warden was r9.

[Giliodor]

@Deru who isn't r11 before you? My reaver was r5 when your warden was r9.

Maeyan and I talked about getting R11 before leaving for a bit. But yeah, I'm totally inactive on my warden and I don't raid or group, so... Goes preeetty slow. Solo renown ftw.

[MessyR]

Maeyan and I talked about getting R11 before leaving for a bit. But yeah, I'm totally inactive on my warden and I don't raid or group, so... Goes preeetty slow. Solo renown ftw.

You dont group now? Or you havent on your warden? Just checking.

As for Renown or Infamy gain, its higher than its ever been, solo or group.

Ranking is far to easy these days, and pointless.

[Lobla]

Gz Skuruthai & Maeyan.

Lob

[Tolgaring]

You've clearly never played on EN, so what is this based on?

If you wana go purely on PvE, EN kicked Snowbourns &&& (glad to have been a part of that) and I'd have to check Mellowship stats but Solstice glitched ToO @ 75. Well aware Eldar pwn'd @ 65, but hey.

Weren't we talking about PvP now?

@Deru who isn't r11 before you? My reaver was r5 when your warden was r9.

I was r11 before he stepped foot in Ettenmoors in general ...

PS 1: Grats Skuru and Maeyan
PS 2: Weren't you DONE WITH THIS GAME Z0MG RAGE for 5 weeks Deru?

[HebnesO]

Noobs. Don't know nuthin about oldskool.


Taken 01/18/2008

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[Mitholean]

Noobs. Don't know nuthin about oldskool.


Taken 01/18/2008

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Oh sweet lord he still has stars <3

PS for anyone scratching their heads thinking, WUT, Y HE NO HAVE 146k TOTAL @ r8? They nerfed it at the start of MoM (if I remember correctly), a load of r12s/13s got auto ranked.

[HebnesO]

In August 2011 we were actually under Turbine since we migrated 02 - 06 - 2011. I guess you mean 2010, since Sydney (nice KB anyhow) already left before F2P if I remember that correctly.

Yeah, looking over it again, i typed it out wrong. It was in 2010.

Also found my r6 zergbaby warg statz.