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  1. #2101
    try playing a defiler with 3-4 healing skills spinning round and not activating tarmas. thats the lag ur talking about isn't it? well ive had that many nites this past week or so.....on my creep

  2. #2102
    Quote Originally Posted by Deniorona View Post
    try playing a defiler with 3-4 healing skills spinning round and not activating tarmas. thats the lag ur talking about isn't it? well ive had that many nites this past week or so.....on my creep
    I believe you. In every fight every day on both sides there are people who lag. The symptoms I described are the same as for high connection loss, or a drop in connection speed.

    But I'm talking about this happening to *an entire raid at the same time*. People in different countries, with different ISPs, different computers, *all* having the entire game freeze on them.

    It is *so* frustrating because that sort of epic raid vs raid fighting is why I come to Ettenmoors. Having outnumbered buff with 1.5 fraids is awesome!

    I really am not whining here, or using it as an excuse. When we suck, we deserve to lose. But when we cannot even fight at all, we have no choice but to give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar View Post
    What I see in that video is graphics lag - low FPS. It is choppy but you are still firing off your skills in real time.

    My recent experience has been to run in and have everything freeze. I use a skill and the spinny dots go around the icon for 10 seconds before it fires. I cannot move. I cannot use any skills. Yet I have 50fps, zero loss, 90ms latency and a 78mb connection.

    The problem here is that everyone uses the word "lag" to describe different things. Some players have PCs not powerful enough to cope with 60 on screen. Some prople have slower or flaky connections, or sister downloading a movie, or wife watching porn. This is *none* of those things. I repeat, we cannot move, cannot use skills. If it happened equally to both sides then it would not invariably result in a freep wipe, but it does.

    Some people do whine all the time about lag and use it as an excuse. This is not such a case.
    Yeh I know what you're saying, and that is awful. Yes the above video is a different type of lag, but a bad sort of lag all the same, when it is choppy as hell, moving is difficult, and it takes time for a skill to fire. But the lag you are citing happens on creepside too, I mentioned it in the same post. It wasn't that long ago, two raids met in Tir tyrant room, the lag ground to complete halt, and everyone got stuck on the spot. No one could move, no skills fired - yet connection was fine, and in game-voice still worked fine. Some I think managed to crawl away, but a good number of us crashed and reappeared at the Gy, dead.

  4. #2104
    Tarmas it usually is at same time. many times peeps have spoken in raid "lag" and we've all piped up yep same!
    I do think raid buffs and store morale/power/infamy buffs etc play a part in freep lag same as dots/hots do 4 both sides. it has 2 effect fraps time I wud imagine. im no expert tho
    I wonder if instead of disbanding we try 2 move the fite away from hotspots and map points, keeps etc and seeing if that effects wot we are experiencing for both sides?
    lets try 2 work with wot we have cuz disbanding and going back 2 grams/gv isn't fun 4 either side.

    we are here 2 fite and have fun we cud try 2 work 2gether on this and find a solution/better experience rather than saying *mines worse than urs* all the time

  5. #2105
    Quote Originally Posted by Ellemere View Post
    Perhaps i need a break from the Ettens and go back to my pve.
    Please don't go! I like the easy infamy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deniorona View Post
    Tarmas it usually is at same time. many times peeps have spoken in raid "lag" and we've all piped up yep same!
    I do think raid buffs and store morale/power/infamy buffs etc play a part in freep lag same as dots/hots do 4 both sides. it has 2 effect fraps time I wud imagine. im no expert tho
    I wonder if instead of disbanding we try 2 move the fite away from hotspots and map points, keeps etc and seeing if that effects wot we are experiencing for both sides?
    lets try 2 work with wot we have cuz disbanding and going back 2 grams/gv isn't fun 4 either side.

    we are here 2 fite and have fun we cud try 2 work 2gether on this and find a solution/better experience rather than saying *mines worse than urs* all the time
    Sorry, hand on my heart, I just don't understand what you're trying to say. It's very difficult with a single block of text, lack of proper punctuation, and no separate paragraphs or discernible sentence structure, to understand you. This is not a petty dig at you, but in order to be properly understood, you really need to bring more clarity into what you're saying and how you're saying it.
    "The internet is a bubble dominated by the loudest, most unrepresentative voices; an infinitesimally small minority of a minority which, deaf to reason and the opinions of others, deludes itself that somehow it is the voice of the majority. An infinite echo chamber of shrieking, witless banality."

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    wot exactly do u not understand ellemere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellemere View Post
    Sorry, hand on my heart, I just don't understand what you're trying to say. It's very difficult with a single block of text, lack of proper punctuation, and no separate paragraphs or discernible sentence structure, to understand you. This is not a petty dig at you, but in order to be properly understood, you really need to bring more clarity into what you're saying and how you're saying it.
    Then read his post again. It was perfectly clear for me. Don't act like an arrogant fool because you happen to speak English better than someone else. The content of his post is far more worthy and interesting to read than most of the nonsense you seem to sputter on forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wardrat View Post
    Then read his post again. It was perfectly clear for me. Don't act like an arrogant fool because you happen to speak English better than someone else. The content of his post is far more worthy and interesting to read than most of the nonsense you seem to sputter on forums.
    Which is exactly how some of you have treated Odo. In fact my last post is a direct quote taken in response from someone replying to Odo in another thread. But i thank you for your concern Wardrat and i'll take it into consideration next time i feel the need to post.
    A mutual friend has told me that Deniorona is english so her ability to speak it is not in question. I find it difficult to read her posts because she chooses to type in 'text speak' rather than real words, as a result i always have to read her posts many times to get the meaning of them.
    Last edited by Ellemere; Sep 25 2013 at 01:58 PM.
    "The internet is a bubble dominated by the loudest, most unrepresentative voices; an infinitesimally small minority of a minority which, deaf to reason and the opinions of others, deludes itself that somehow it is the voice of the majority. An infinite echo chamber of shrieking, witless banality."

  10. #2110
    to reduce my lag I turn settings down to low and turn off all special effects this helps, I don't know if everybody does this esp. in RvR fights, this might help if everybody does it.
    in the end it is upto turbine to invest in there hardware not for us to lower our graphics and have a bland looking screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpyhobbit View Post
    to reduce my lag I turn settings down to low and turn off all special effects this helps, I don't know if everybody does this esp. in RvR fights, this might help if everybody does it.
    in the end it is upto turbine to invest in there hardware not for us to lower our graphics and have a bland looking screen.
    Turning off special effects does seem to help a lot of the people, however it does make seeing bubbles and the like a lot more difficult as you have to spot the icons rather than any graphical representation. Also asking people in the raid to turn off cloaks helps a great deal.
    "The internet is a bubble dominated by the loudest, most unrepresentative voices; an infinitesimally small minority of a minority which, deaf to reason and the opinions of others, deludes itself that somehow it is the voice of the majority. An infinite echo chamber of shrieking, witless banality."

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    About skill effects and lag, a funny memory flashed through my mind. When I still played my LM in the Ettens, I remember how Ents go to War skill had a far brighter animation. It wouldn't just stun nearby creeps, but also freezed the full raid due to an extremely heavy lag spike. It was hilarious to cast the skill with 4 or 5 other LMs at the same time. The whole fight would be one big bright white light and no one could move for a couple of seconds. Utterly needless, but funny nevertheless.

    Somehow I don't really experience much skill lag today. Not even during the 2 vs 2 raid fights. Of course it didn't go very smoothly either, but it was definitely not as bad as some of you describe. I completely understand that players would log off if they experience such heavy skill delay. It isn't about dying, it's about dying without actually being able to do something.
    Creeps: compare it with Grams camping. It's dying without being able to do much about it, so we log off. Now freeps leave Ettens because they die without being able to cast a skill. Don't blame them for that. If you want to blame anyone, blame Turbine. Although lets not make a huge point about it. It's not like these kind of fights will happen every evening. Usually the server can cope with the raid fights pretty decently. At least I don't experience much lag at all during a normal raid fight.

    Except for the "first fight lag"... and I think everyone shares that problem. Out of interest, anyone knows what causes it? Why do we have a "first fight lag"?

  13. #2113
    Quote Originally Posted by Wardrat View Post
    Why do we have a "first fight lag"?
    Your PC reads lots of textures and other info from disk and caches it. Next time, it is retrieved from RAM, which is faster. I don't get first fight lag because I have an SSD.

    Another slide show tonight, though not quite as bad. We were able to put up something of a fight and on a couple of occasions it looked like creeps were having problems too - hardly anything died on either side.

    Ultimately the evening's action was ended by simply overwhelming numbers of creeps. Not just 40 random creeps either but well-organised with 2 raid leaders and lots of high ranks. Can't help feeling a little bit grouchy about the number of those who I know perfectly well would be on their freeps if the action was favouring freepside. Flipping is pretty much the only thing that annoys me in Ettenmoors these days. That and freeps whining about getting ganked by a creep OOC airstrike in Grothum ... day after day!

  14. #2114
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar View Post
    ...or wife watching porn.
    Ahah nice one, well guess if that happens is exactly because the husband is playing lotro too much, you know, if your wife asks to see your rod and you reply with "ok, let me log my lore-master", then lag is a minor problem i'd say
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  15. #2115
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar View Post
    2 raid leaders
    2 raid leaders?

  16. #2116
    wow thanks Tarmas for explaining that! at least I can brush off 1st fite lag without thinking my pc isn't wot it used 2 b!
    also nice 2 c a freep acknowledging the lag 4 both sides....
    was nice fites 2nite hope each side had fun and plenty of points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellemere View Post
    Which is exactly how some of you have treated Odo. In fact my last post is a direct quote taken in response from someone replying to Odo in another thread. But i thank you for your concern Wardrat and i'll take it into consideration next time i feel the need to post.
    A mutual friend has told me that Deniorona is english so her ability to speak it is not in question. I find it difficult to read her posts because she chooses to type in 'text speak' rather than real words, as a result i always have to read her posts many times to get the meaning of them.
    Thank you Elle, you're kind but i can defend myself
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  18. #2118
    Quote Originally Posted by Axeny View Post
    2 raid leaders?
    I'm assuming Webss and Sharn are each leading a group. Even if they're not, the two creep groups/raids are impressively organised/co-ordinated. Much more so than we have yet managed when lucky enough to have two raids.

    Just pointing out that there's more than one factor at play here. (1) overwhelming numbers of creeps, (2) creeps playing really well and (3) lag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deniorona View Post
    was nice fites 2nite hope each side had fun and plenty of points.
    Fun - some, less so later on. Points - not really. I even got killed handing in quests in Ost Ringdyr

  19. #2119
    Big grats to all my freeps tonight, despite of the numbers on the field they wanted to fight 'till the end, we did our best so nothing to be sad, when numbers will be even we will get our revenge!
    Captain-General Odovocar Balger, the Alluring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manes View Post
    Big grats to all my freeps tonight, despite of the numbers on the field they wanted to fight 'till the end, we did our best so nothing to be sad, when numbers will be even we will get our revenge!
    Haha i laughed a bit

    I really hope there will be soon even more freeps than the number of creeps tonight and yesterday night, so server can crash. That would be just the thing LOTRO's pvp need - show them what is important to us and how many of PVPers, actually, is there!
    Soooo... log your norbogs, if u arent VIP, and lets get "the btch" down tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manes View Post
    Big grats to all my freeps tonight, despite of the numbers on the field they wanted to fight 'till the end, we did our best so nothing to be sad, when numbers will be even we will get our revenge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar View Post
    I'm assuming Webss and Sharn are each leading a group. Even if they're not, the two creep groups/raids are impressively organised/co-ordinated. Much more so than we have yet managed when lucky enough to have two raids.
    There was just the one raid in fact, led by Webss, of which sharn was a member. I think Snex had a support group for a while, (only about 6 I think), and Reign of Terror had a tribe group but don't know how many there were. But yes indeed, population was high again, numbers wise quite probably being the better part of two raids worth. And lag was particuarly bad I recall in the fight out on Tol lawn early on. I remember in one instance the graphics went berserk, the front fascade of Tol completely disappeared and I could see right through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwyndor View Post
    There was just the one raid in fact, led by Webss, of which sharn was a member. I think Snex had a support group for a while, (only about 6 I think), and Reign of Terror had a tribe group but don't know how many there were. But yes indeed, population was high again, numbers wise quite probably being the better part of two raids worth. And lag was particuarly bad I recall in the fight out on Tol lawn early on. I remember in one instance the graphics went berserk, the front fascade of Tol completely disappeared and I could see right through it.
    8 ppl, to be precise, i was one of them, but afk for 90% of fights

    And, yes, tir and tol are invisible for me, im just running into obstacles that actually dont appear............____________ ______................

 

 
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