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    Theorbo Volume ?

    Hello Everyone...

    So I transcribed one of my favorite bass licks into ABC, tested it with a lute, and was very happy when I finally got to learn the Theorbo (Thanks Again Master Aldekim).

    But, I was quite sad that I could barely hear myself play ? I added a +ffff+ volume decoration, which helped some, but it still does not sound right ? I was wondering if there was any other tricks you experts know that I have not tried yet ? Should I shift everything up an octave ? (not sure if that will really help ?)

    Or does no one do Theorbo solos ?

    TIA

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    Re: Theorbo Volume ?

    For some reason, the Theorbo always plays very softly. I couldn't say why. I automatically +fff+ any theo part in everything I do, but it's never really enough. I'd say just do it as a lute piece and try to keep it at the lowest part of the lute range.
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    Re: Theorbo Volume ?

    Thank you for the reply Fionnuala. I was hoping there was something I was overlooking or some trick, but I guess I need to go buy another lute (already sold it) and start digging through my guitar music rather than my bass licks.

    I might walk over the the suggestion forums too, and beg the devs for a little Theorbo love

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    Re: Theorbo Volume ?

    If you're doing your own tunes, try transposing the tune to the top of the theorbo's range--the higher notes are a bit louder I've found.
    Harp has a very similar issue, particularly in the lower registers, but not as badly as the poor theorbo. Then there's the OMG SO LOUD bagpipes....

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    Re: Theorbo Volume ?

    In my experimentation the Theorbo didn't really increase in volume in the higher part of its range. Maybe slightly, but certainly not enough. One thing that does reliably increase volume for any instrument is chords. The more notes you have playing together at one time the louder it will be, by a long shot. Though of course that isn't really ideal for a Theorbo solo.
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    Re: Theorbo Volume ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfriedpf View Post
    If you're doing your own tunes, try transposing the tune to the top of the theorbo's range--the higher notes are a bit louder I've found.
    Harp has a very similar issue, particularly in the lower registers, but not as badly as the poor theorbo. Then there's the OMG SO LOUD bagpipes....
    Thanks for the input Siegfriedpf. I actually did mess with this a little. Moving everything up an octave just made it sound similar to being played on a lute, but quieter. (And I still would worry if anyone could hear it...). Moving all the way up did not seem to increase the volume noticeable, but it sure made it sound worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Fionnuala View Post
    In my experimentation the Theorbo didn't really increase in volume in the higher part of its range. Maybe slightly, but certainly not enough. One thing that does reliably increase volume for any instrument is chords. The more notes you have playing together at one time the louder it will be, by a long shot. Though of course that isn't really ideal for a Theorbo solo.
    Yes, I've been actually breaking down cords, and simplifying things... Not that I actually know anything about playing a Theorbo (or Lute), but it sounded better to me, less modern. But I might mess with this a little, see how it sounds...

    Thanks all !

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    Re: Theorbo Volume ?

    When I do my songs,
    I have a pattern I do setting the volumes.
    most of the time it works real well, a few times I need to go back and adjust them hehe.

    So my Lute, is +mp+ ( or natural )
    Theorbo and Flute are +mf+
    Clarinet is usually +mp+ or +p+ depending on its part in the song.
    Horn varies by part, from a +p+ to a +pp+
    Bagpipes drum and cowbell I set from +p+ to +ppp+
    My duo tracks, strings part ( all stringed instruments ) +mp+ and my all winds part, +mf+
    my solo is +mp+

    Harp is a tough one, I some times have that in the range of +f+ but some times it is +mp+ to +pp+ again depending on the song hehehe


    I have hears some songs that if the volume would have been properly set it would have been great, but because it wasn't the lead piece was drowned out by clarinet or horn or whatever..


    Transposing Theorbo up doesn't raise the volume on it, but it does clarify muddled notes.
    If you are doing rock, muddled notes some times is good.
    but if you have players, and want distinct notes, but the muddled ( distortion guitar ) sound, have a high transposed one and a low transpose one, or go low, and play your theorbo part both on horn, and on theorbo.

    Bagpipes can also work for some electric guitar distortion, but, at +pp+ or +ppp+ is usually well enough hehe.


    I have a great part for Battle of Evermore on Theorbo, it sounds good, Volume is set at +mf+ and it is transposed up.


    Theorbo is better as an accompanying instrument, but I an sure there could be some songs that work well solo with it.
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    Re: Theorbo Volume ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppa_Joel View Post
    Theorbo and Flute are +mf+
    Really? I don't see how your Theo is ever audible at +mf+. I have to make it +fff+ just to make it audible and even then it never really ends up being strong. I find that volume always (except for the Theo) depends on the song. Different tracks are important in different songs, different songs have different amounts of notes.

    For instance, if I have a song with chords being played on either Clarinet or Horn, they always end up overpowering everything else and I have to lower their volume.
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    Re: Theorbo Volume ?

    Thanks for the input Hoppa, but people can actually hear you at +mf+ ? Like you said, it worries me if others can hear me, since I can barely hear myself.

    I also tried the cord trick Fionnuala. At first, I tried two octave cords, [C,C] for example, and it did help the volume, but made things sound off (wooden). I then thought, well, this is a computer, so tried single octave cords, [C,C,C,]. It sounded better, but still quieter than a singe note on a lute.

    Amazes me how quiet it still is though, specially if compared to say, one person smoking

    I think I will just get the courage, and try a song at an event once, and see how many tells I get about people not hearing me (and bring a lute backup just in case.)

    I also need to write a program to do the cords, it makes a mess of the ABC files...

    Thanks...

    P.S. Battle of Evermore, I think I have sheet for that somewhere around here... I can think of a few other LZ songs that might sounds good.

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    Re: Theorbo Volume ?

    I am using the generic hardware options under "Sound Playback" in the audio section.
    That seems to make things a bit louder for me,
    I haven't heard anyone complain that they cannot hear the theorbo.

    As for a program, look down a few posts for LOTRO Midi player by Digero
    It handles them really well.

    If you are a composer, export into midi and use lotro midi to help you with the ease of it all

    I use Melody Assistant to edit midi and so on, once I have he song the way I like it, then I export to midi again, and use lotro midi player to do the final work for me.
    Melody assistant can export to abc, like many other programs, but it needs work afterwards from you so using Digero's cool program helps speed it up considerably
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