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  1. #401

    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by sir-rinthian View Post
    Is that a trick question?
    Nope, it is a straight descriptive label from the text.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Those elves were not called the Eglain (they had a similar name, but not "Eglain"). Nor were the Falalthrim the Forsaken People. You are extremely close to the correct answer on both counts, but not quite there. Come back with the correct name and description of those people and you are the winner.
    Egladhrim; literally the "forsaken people". Alternatively, the Eglath, "the forsaken"; the Telerin who remained in Beleriand and did not choose to live by the sea like the Falathrim, but went to the woods and hills of Beleriand, for the sea filled them with sorrow.

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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Yes, the Eglath. These were the followers of Olwe (later called Elu Thingol) who remained behind to search for him after Ulmo came back to take the other Teleri to Valinor. Ulmo and the other Teleri would not wait any longer, and those who remained behind called themselves "forsaken." They moved inland into the forests of Beleriand away from the coast, which now filled them with grief, and were eventually reunited with their lord. They are better known as the Sindar (Grey Elves). They were the people of Thingol and Melian, whereas the Falathrim were Cirdan's folk who lived on the Falas.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    I defer my chance to ask a new question to Sylux14, who correctly answer the "Swift Swine" clue and so should get a chance to come up with a clue.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Halcyon brute?
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylux14 View Post
    Halcyon brute?
    This one seems tough. I'll throw a long-shot:

    Halcyon refers to Numenor, and the brute is Ar Pharazon, the last king of Numenor, who became king by taking Miriel to wife against her will. Ultimately Pharazon brought about the fall of Numenor.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    That sounds like a good guess JohnFoam. Alternatively, I propose a Nazgul's fell beast. Halcyon can also mean a mythical bird.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Both incorrect but very clever answers! Do take notice of the question mark! This brute may not always be a brute, while the fell-beast certainly is, and Ar-Pharazon's actions are (in my eyes) more barbarous and treacherous than brutish...


    Another hint after a few more (incorrect) answers...
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylux14 View Post
    Both incorrect but very clever answers! Do take notice of the question mark! This brute may not always be a brute, while the fell-beast certainly is, and Ar-Pharazon's actions are (in my eyes) more barbarous and treacherous than brutish...


    Another hint after a few more (incorrect) answers...
    I have another guess!

    Gollum. Specifically, halcyon may describe the Golden Wood, Lothlorien where the Fellowship had sojourn and peace, into which Gollum followed them, where it was reported by Haldir that the strange creature he observed was "like a beast and yet not of beast shape." Thus Gollum was like a brute in the Golden Wood, yet not really or wholly brutish...

    also, (sorry for edit) it occurs to me that Gollum was questioningly referred to as maybe a kingfisher by Faramir when Gollum was observed about the Forbidden Pool. Of course, Halcyon can also refer to the kingfisher: "Now what would you say that it is, Anborn? A squirrel, or a kingfisher? Are there black kingfishers in the night-pools of Mirkwood?"
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnFoam View Post
    I have another guess!

    Gollum. Specifically, halcyon may describe the Golden Wood, Lothlorien where the Fellowship had sojourn and peace, into which Gollum followed them, where it was reported by Haldir that the strange creature he observed was "like a beast and yet not of beast shape." Thus Gollum was like a brute in the Golden Wood, yet not really or wholly brutish...

    also, (sorry for edit) it occurs to me that Gollum was questioningly referred to as maybe a kingfisher by Faramir when Gollum was observed about the Forbidden Pool. Of course, Halcyon can also refer to the kingfisher: "Now what would you say that it is, Anborn? A squirrel, or a kingfisher? Are there black kingfishers in the night-pools of Mirkwood?"
    Incorrect, I'm afraid, though another splendid guess! While Lothlorien could arguably referred to as a place of halcyon days, I will say this now that that meaning of the word does not apply the answer.

    Halcyon does not refer to a bird either...
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylux14 View Post
    Both incorrect but very clever answers! Do take notice of the question mark! This brute may not always be a brute, while the fell-beast certainly is, and Ar-Pharazon's actions are (in my eyes) more barbarous and treacherous than brutish...


    Another hint after a few more (incorrect) answers...
    Gah, foiled by my own question mark convention. I must now hide my head in shame for an hour before guessing again.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylux14 View Post
    Incorrect, I'm afraid, though another splendid guess! While Lothlorien could arguably referred to as a place of halcyon days, I will say this now that that meaning of the word does not apply the answer.

    Halcyon does not refer to a bird either...
    Hmm! I was sure I'd gotten it.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    The Mumakil? If we believe that they are similar to real elephants, then they would normally be peaceful. The men of Harad would train them to be more violent for war.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Ok, ok one more guess for the day:

    Tulkas, a Vala who was described as greatest in strength and deeds of prowess, and having "little heed for either the past or future, and is of no avail as a counsellor, but is a hardy friend"; (in short, a kind of "brute") whose strength was such that Melkor fled before him "and there was peace for a long age" (halcyon...though if I read you correctly you did say this meaning of halcyon is not for the answer).
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Tulkas is out for the reason you said, JohnFoam, and he also does not (as far as I know) fit the definition I am using either.


    As for the Mumakil, I would rather not assume anything and instead base my answers on what is stated in the books, and the Mumakil in the books are certainly brutish full-time.


    When the page flips over, I will give another hint, and possibly reveal which definition of halcyon I am using.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Bill Huggins, who was (for a moment at least) calm and peaceful and inclined not to eat Bilbo.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Bill Huggins, who was (for a moment at least) calm and peaceful and inclined not to eat Bilbo.
    Arrrrgghhhh... Unless you'll accept a vague "not (quite) the definition of Halcyon I'm going for", you'll make me go back on what I had just said above your post!
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Helm Hammerhand?, if your halcyon refers to the winter solstice. "In Helm's Deep there was a great hunger after Yule..". "Helm grew fierce and gaunt for famine and grief", "and slay many men with his hands" . It is said that he was "grim man of great strength" though would that make him a permanent brute?
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylux14 View Post
    Arrrrgghhhh... Unless you'll accept a vague "not (quite) the definition of Halcyon I'm going for", you'll make me go back on what I had just said above your post!
    This leads me in another direction...so here goes:

    Shadowfax. Shadowfax was a brute in the sense of a beast, and untamed at that --until Gandalf tamed him.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylux14 View Post
    Arrrrgghhhh... Unless you'll accept a vague "not (quite) the definition of Halcyon I'm going for", you'll make me go back on what I had just said above your post!
    No problem. I know how it is trying to come up with riddles with a "unique" answer.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Elenluin-Menelloth View Post
    Helm Hammerhand?, if your halcyon refers to the winter solstice. "In Helm's Deep there was a great hunger after Yule..". "Helm grew fierce and gaunt for famine and grief", "and slay many men with his hands" . It is said that he was "grim man of great strength" though would that make him a permanent brute?
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnFoam View Post
    This leads me in another direction...so here goes:

    Shadowfax. Shadowfax was a brute in the sense of a beast, and untamed at that --until Gandalf tamed him.
    First off! Let me say that the definition of halcyon I am looking for is "gentle" (this definition was found in "The Synonym Finder" by J.I. Rodale). Also let me say that (when the correct answer is revealed), the halcyon portion may also have been better off with a "?".

    Helm Hammerhand, while clever, is not the correct answer.

    Shadowfax is a very curious answer and one I did not expect... Indeed, he does fit the criteria. I will give a point of reputation for it and count it as a "secondary correct answer", but it is not the intended answer and I wish to see my question/riddle carried to the end, if that is acceptable!

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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Hmmm...

    Perhaps it is Beorn, the skin-changer from The Hobbit? As a man he was gentle (vegetarian, even?), yet literally at times a brute (he could change into a bear).
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnFoam View Post
    Hmmm...

    Perhaps it is Beorn, the skin-changer from The Hobbit? As a man he was gentle (vegetarian, even?), yet literally at times a brute (he could change into a bear).
    Correct! And even as a brute he was revealed as gentle when he personally bore the wounded Thorin from the battlefield. A terrible and certainly quite brutal enemy, but a (mostly) gentle and great friend!
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    If I may interject with one of my own?

    "Gold Chest."

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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Andjay View Post
    If I may interject with one of my own?

    "Gold Chest."
    Hmmm...this was a stumper for me, but I'm going to throw a long shot:

    Smaug, who was already red-gold in color, but whose pale underside, and therefore chest, was encrusted with gems and bits of gold from long lying on his hoard.
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