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  1. #26

    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Cirdan is correct. The Silmarillion tells that some of the Teleri remained at the Falas out of their love for Ulmo, and in the same paragraph it is stated that Cirdan was their lord. In those times the Valar had direct contact with the Teleri, and Ulmo taught them how to build ships and how to sail. If they remained in Middle-earth out of their love for Ulmo and Cirdan was their lord, it almost certainly follows that Cirdan had a personal relationship with Ulmo.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Cirdan is correct. The Silmarillion tells that some of the Teleri remained at the Falas out of their love for Ulmo, and in the same paragraph it is stated that Cirdan was their lord. In those times the Valar had direct contact with the Teleri, and Ulmo taught them how to build ships and how to sail. If they remained in Middle-earth out of their love for Ulmo and Cirdan was their lord, it almost certainly follows that Cirdan had a personal relationship with Ulmo.
    I am a bit confused.
    Wouldn't that make Cirdan "Ulmo's friend" then instead of "Osse's friend"?
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    I am a bit confused.
    Wouldn't that make Cirdan "Ulmo's friend" then instead of "Osse's friend"?
    Sorry for the confusion. I will go back and check the passage I have in mind. I believe it refers to the Osse persuading the Teleri to stay and teaching them about ships, and then referring to Cirdan as their lord. The reference in my last post to Ulmo should just be sloppiness on my part, but I will go back and confirm I didn't mess up the original question.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Confusion aside...(or amongst)

    Great-great-great-grandfather (can that be one word?) Peregrin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Confusion aside...(or amongst)

    Great-great-great-grandfather (can that be one word?) Peregrin
    Fortinbras Took I, 25th Thain of the Shire. He was the father of Gerontius, known as 'The Old Took' - the second oldest Hobbit on record. The oldest, of course, being Bilbo Baggins - who was Gerontius' grandson.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister_Underhill View Post
    Fortinbras Took I, 25th Thain of the Shire. He was the father of Gerontius, known as 'The Old Took' - the second oldest Hobbit on record. The oldest, of course, being Bilbo Baggins - who was Gerontius' grandson.
    That is true. Fortinbras was one of Pippin's great-great-great-grandfathers.
    He had another that he shared with Meriadoc, for extra points, who was that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    That is true. Fortinbras was one of Pippin's great-great-great-grandfathers.
    He had another that he shared with Meriadoc, for extra points, who was that?
    Balbo Baggins, about whom little is recorded in History (as I'm sure he would consider right proper and respectable for a gentlehobbit) save that he married Berylla Boffin and sired five children.

    (Sorry for the delay, I was afk for the weekend at a sci-fi convention.)

    I'm sure this will not be any great difficulty for such learned scholars, but here is my poor attempt:

    Heron Hollow.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    And Mr. Underhill scores the extra points.
    Balbo Baggins is correct.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister_Underhill View Post

    Heron Hollow.
    The Deeping-Coomb

    From: The Two Towers

    They came swiftly from the North, walking like wading herons in their gait, but not in their speed; for their legs in their long paces beat quicker than the heron's wings.
    This passage created a lasting mental image, rigid upper bodies, bending at the waist with long stick-like legs moving them forward in a sort of pendulum-like movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    The Deeping-Coomb

    From: The Two Towers



    This passage created a lasting mental image, rigid upper bodies, bending at the waist with long stick-like legs moving them forward in a sort of pendulum-like movement.
    Hrm, hroom. That's quite evocative. It's not the answer I had in mind, however.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Herron hollow:

    The pool in Henneth Annûn where Gollum was caught diving herron like for fishes?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morthaur View Post
    Herron hollow:

    The pool in Henneth Annûn where Gollum was caught diving herron like for fishes?.
    *blink, blink* Yet another evocative image, but still not the one I was going for. Apparently my choice of a riddle wasn't unique enough... or maybe I just think too literally.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Are you referring to the Withywindle valley where Tom caught the River-daughter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Are you referring to the Withywindle valley where Tom caught the River-daughter?
    I doubt herons would like the Withywindle; it's quite heavily wooded. They tend to prefer more open, marshy shores.

    Think First Age.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Well, here is a reference to herons in the Withywindle valley:

    From: The Adventures Of Tom Bombadil:

    Wise old Bombadil, he was a wary fellow;
    bright blue his jacket was, and his boots were yellow.
    None ever caught old Tom in upland or in dingle,
    walking the forest-paths, or by the Withywindle,
    or out on the lily-pools in boat upon the water.
    But one day Tom, he went and caught the River-daughter,
    in green gown, flowing hair, sitting in the rushes,
    singing old water-songs to birds upon the bushes.
    He caught her, held her fast! Water-rats went scuttering
    reeds hissed, herons cried, and her heart was fluttering.
    Said Tom Bombadil: 'Here's my pretty maiden!
    You shall come home with me! The table is all laden:
    yellow cream, honeycomb, white bread and butter;
    roses at the window-sill and peeping round the shutter.
    But I do understand that this is not what you are looking for.
    I shall endeavor to persevere.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Putting together some of the ancillary clues, perhaps Linaewen in Nevrast? "Linaewen was the name of that mere, because of the multitude of birds that dwelt there, such as love tall reeds and shallow pools." It's a lake not a hollow (The word means "Lake of Birds") but just before that, Nevrast, the land that it is in, is described as "a hollow land, surrounded by mountains and great coast-cliffs higher than the plains behind."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGeyedBUG View Post
    Putting together some of the ancillary clues, perhaps Linaewen in Nevrast? "Linaewen was the name of that mere, because of the multitude of birds that dwelt there, such as love tall reeds and shallow pools." It's a lake not a hollow (The word means "Lake of Birds") but just before that, Nevrast, the land that it is in, is described as "a hollow land, surrounded by mountains and great coast-cliffs higher than the plains behind."
    And the BUG gets the no-prize.

    Nevrast, from which Turgon led the Elves to Gondolin in 116 FA, was inhabited only by the birds for centuries afterwards.
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    BeB having been especially delinquent in posting a new one, I am going to toss in something that occurred to me the other day. It has the potential to be either rather easy or especially wicked. BeB, you can take my turn on the one-word riddle thread if you want.

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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Van Morrison

    Its a marvelous night for a moon dance: Luthien dancing in the moonlight by the Esgalduin.
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    That is correct. For super bonus points, can you name another moon dance that doesn't involve an elf princess?
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    That is correct. For super bonus points, can you name another moon dance that doesn't involve an elf princess?
    Gandalf, speaking after spending the night at Beorn's lodge;

    "There must have been a regular bears' meeting outside here last night. I soon saw that Beorn could not have made them all: there were far too many of them, and they were of various sizes too. I should say there were little bears, large bears, ordinary bears, and gigantic big bears, all dancing outside from dark to nearly dawn."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Gandalf, speaking after spending the night at Beorn's lodge;

    "There must have been a regular bears' meeting outside here last night. I soon saw that Beorn could not have made them all: there were far too many of them, and they were of various sizes too. I should say there were little bears, large bears, ordinary bears, and gigantic big bears, all dancing outside from dark to nearly dawn."
    That is correct, although there is an even better passage that appears on the next page of The Hobbit in which Bilbo dreams of bears dancing in the moonlight.
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    I am not sure who's turn it is (BeB, Morthaur?), but since I got the second shot at last one right I will propose a new one. Should be easy.

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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    I am not sure who's turn it is (BeB, Morthaur?), but since I got the second shot at last one right I will propose a new one. Should be easy.

    Lunar bookstaves
    The moon-runes on Thror's map, perhaps?
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister_Underhill View Post
    The moon-runes on Thror's map, perhaps?
    That is correct!
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