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    Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    I'm wondering what other Lt. groups are getting for their first and second fly-up values. We've had a friendly in-kin competition to see what groups can get the Lt. to the lowest initial and 2nd fly-up value.


    Any groups (varied classes or otherwise) getting only 1 puddle? Just curious.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    344K on first round is best attempt here so far... I am sure we can get lower but involves some luck with who gets the eye. 196K second round from memory and was 2 puddles. I'm sure that can be beaten... but was great effort in my books.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    We have hit 2 flys before..... once or twice, it make HM nice and easy thats for sure.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Anyone getting near the 300k mark after the first fly up?



    I'd wager that it's possible to just have 1 pool, with the right group and a bit of luck.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Pssst Sey, you're supposed to update that our groups got 310/184 and 308/169 last week :P
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurindras View Post
    Anyone getting near the 300k mark after the first fly up?



    I'd wager that it's possible to just have 1 pool, with the right group and a bit of luck.
    It probably is. Got 153k with a hunter kiting once
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Them some nice figures guys...

    We got 2 pools a few times now.. Best I remember seeing was 375 and 188 ..

    but then we still have some real sloppy runs as well.. I think this week for instance we had a 5 pool run... ( I think the Hunters were in melee :P )
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurindras View Post
    Anyone getting near the 300k mark after the first fly up?
    I think our best is low 300's, like 325 or so. I would say 370 is more typical, but the number of ranged classes can fluctuate between 2 to 5 from week to week, and you have the random selection of kiters on top of that.

    Our melees are encouraged to play it safe and we usually have two Minstrels who (as far as I know) don't use War-Speech.

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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Typical: 330k and 210ish
    Best: under 300, I think like 290 and 160k.

    2 puddles is normal for us, 3 puddles = someone slackin, 4 puddles = me lecturing the raid to get their stuff together.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Comma44 View Post
    Best: under 300, I think like 290 and 160k. .
    Pic?

    Not going to say it didn't happen, because I would love love love to see that! Extremely impressive.

    *waits for Pic*
    *Or fraps*
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Our kin's record is 332k or so (different people see different #s, btw, I think our raid leader saw 329k that night, lol), and that was the time we got closest to one puddle (I think 170k or so when he flew again). 2 puddles is our norm.

    BTW, when we have 2 cappys, we intentionally split up our Oathies between the first round and the second. If you squeeze both Oathies into the first round, could push that round even lower...but we don't do that.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Grampsaz View Post
    Pic
    blacked out the names just in case. It's a cool pic too http://img534.imageshack.us/f/150kt.jpg/

    edit: and if you were wondering, first was 310k
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Quote Originally Posted by IGolbezI View Post
    blacked out the names just in case. It's a cool pic too http://img534.imageshack.us/f/150kt.jpg/
    There's a puddle behind you! jk

    Amazing, I was happy when we got to 360'ish lol. I'm assuming the person blocked at the very top is a minny?

    Again, nicely done dude.

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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    We hit 156k on the 2nd fly-up a short while back the only time we've stacked 4 hunters, 1 hunter was a kiter too. I don't have a pic though. I'm sure it'll happen naturally pretty soon as more groups increase rad, but cooler if a group gets it done without stacking 4-5 hunters.

    For the first fly-up, our avg is about 330k, best is 308k, however we saved our Oathies for the 2nd segment that run.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Getting under 350 shouldn't be too hard, getting that lil bit extra to get into low 300s means your melée has to be in there, not getting knocked back often, your hunters/rks need to be epic, and everyone needs to be on top of their debuffs. Obviously everyone needs to be appropiately geared. I've been in groups where the first fly up is closer to 390k - big things there are melée aren't in there and debuffs aren't applied each time. I'd love to see one puddle - I think it's definitely doable, just a matter of getting it all lined up and being lucky enough that 3 hunters aren't all kiting in a row lol.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    I love my hunter, but I don't care for hunter-stacked groups. I'll look forward to seeing some 1 puddle runs with a diverse group set-up. GOGOGO.....
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Odin_of_Freyr View Post
    I love my hunter, but I don't care for hunter-stacked groups. I'll look forward to seeing some 1 puddle runs with a diverse group set-up. GOGOGO.....
    What do you consider hunter stacked groups? My typical group is usually 2-3 hunters. I consider 4+ stacking...
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Comma44 View Post
    What do you consider hunter stacked groups? My typical group is usually 2-3 hunters. I consider 4+ stacking...
    Yeah, Kam, 2 or 3 hunters isn't stacking at all, that's a pretty "normal" 12-person raid. We have the same every week, 2 or 3.

    Typical vanilla raid:

    1 tank (guard, warden, even champ)
    1 off-tank (ditto)
    2 main healers (minis, RKs, mix)
    2 cappys
    1 burg
    1 LM
    4 DPS (mix of hunters, champs, RKs)

    So I think you could probably even go up to 4 hunters without it being blatant stacking. 5 or more, you're definitely stacking DPS lol.

    But that's just my opinion, I don't think there's any hard and fast definition, this is all point of view stuff. Mithrilborn clearly considered 4 hunters a "stack" since he explicitly called it a stack in his post, and that's great since it's his point of view. I think Odin was responding to his post, not yours.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    We are usually 2 hunt/2 RK or 3 hunt/1 RK for main DPS. There is a burglar there and one DPS-traited LM.

    We get 2 puddles most of the time now. A good 1st fly-up for us has the FB around 360-ish with no Oathbreakers. Second fly-up would have him around 240 or so. Burn like hell at 200K.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    There is nothing wrong with stacking dps. Its been done on every single raid since launch.

    The raids have just not been creative enough to warrant any group make up other then the typical triad. Tank, DPS, Heals. Throw in a LM and your golden.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    There's nothing "wrong" with stacking Hunters. I don't think anyone said otherwise, in fact I pretty clearly stated that the time we hit 156k we had 4 hunters in the group. To me, yes, anything with 4+ ranged (Hunt + RK) is stacking ranged DPS. We usually bring 3, but the reason we don't bring 4-5 has nothing to do with some arbitrary "wrongness." It's much simpler, we don't want to sit our melee mains.

    Nothing would be discredited if someone went in with 5-6 hunters and got 1 pool. I just think it'd be neat if a balanced group (~3 melee dps / 3 ranged dps) did it.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Aestis25 View Post
    There's nothing "wrong" with stacking Hunters. I don't think anyone said otherwise, in fact I pretty clearly stated that the time we hit 156k we had 4 hunters in the group. To me, yes, anything with 4+ ranged (Hunt + RK) is stacking ranged DPS. We usually bring 3, but the reason we don't bring 4-5 has nothing to do with some arbitrary "wrongness." It's much simpler, we don't want to sit our melee mains.

    Nothing would be discredited if someone went in with 5-6 hunters and got 1 pool. I just think it'd be neat if a balanced group (~3 melee dps / 3 ranged dps) did it.
    Well said. Yea, nothing wrong with it. I'd be more inclined to congratulate a group who was 3 melee/3 ranged for 1 pool than 4 hunters/2 RK's. Both would be a job well done, but clearly the melee classes have to be more careful.
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    So close to 1 pool.

    Had 4 ranged (3 Hunters + 1 dps RK). One of our Hunters (Kansas, one of the worst hunters in the game) had a new bow and hadn't put in his crafted relic yet. That extra few hundred morale probably cost us the 1 pool, haha.

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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Thats outta control man, lol, so nice!
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    Re: Lt. 1st Phase Fly-up Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Aestis25 View Post
    So close to 1 pool.

    Had 4 ranged (3 Hunters + 1 dps RK). One of our Hunters (Kansas, one of the worst hunters in the game) had a new bow and hadn't put in his crafted relic yet. That extra few hundred morale probably cost us the 1 pool, haha.
    Heh yes I hate myself for it too. Sadly we won't get another shot before I have blood arrow (and thus.. 1 pool w/ hacks)
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