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  1. #1
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    Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Posting this to try and get more PvP life on the Server. Our Saturday PvP is some of the best out of all the servers imo. I would encourage anyone looking for a new start or transfer to check out Nimrodels PvP on Saturdays. We usualy have 7-10 in the top 30 out of all the servers on Saturdays and really have some great fights.

    Our problem seems to be during the week and some of the off times. Looking at the stats

    http://pvmpstats.alanlouie.com/?p=ov...erver=nimrodel

    you will see we are a freep owned server. Dont be so quick to notice how low the gains are other then saturdays (yes those massive spikes are the saturday PvP I was speaking of). our graph goes to 300k where as most goes to 200k (other then the bigger servers like Brandywine and E).


    At this moment though freeps own the majority of the time and some more creeps would really help swing that more evenly and possibly even raise our total gains to average about 175k - 200k. So if you have a group of you or so i would encourage you to come out and check out Nimrodel and consider making a creep on Nimrodel. The more the merrier. Would love for the pvp to really pick during the week and off peak hours.

    It's rare a freep comes and asks for more creeps but i am hoping if you guys/girls are looking for some more pvp or possibly achange in who you will kill to come check out nimrodel. Thanks
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  2. #2

    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Do freeps really own the majority of the time now? I take 3 weeks off creeping to roll and gear out my burg and the server goes from creep dominated to freep dominated? Colour me skeptical
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Be careful what you wish for....
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Leaveit,

    I dont mean in the sense that freeps come out and wipe the floor with the creeps. Perhaps own was a bad choice of words. But Nimrodel always has alot more renown gained then infamy gained. Looking at other servers it seems to be that way to. But Nimrodel does not have swings each week like some of the other servers do. More creeps could help that I think. Even if it increases the total server gain of 50k or so on average would go a long way. But we are a freep dominated server as far as renown/infamy goes.


    I have thought of that as well Blondie. To be honest I would rather ride around and get killed then run around and see nobody. I have a chance of killing something when creeps are on. when 8 freeps are at stab and all waiting on the 1 creep to cross it sucks.

    I think a big problem of ours and possibly not just Nimrodels is people swapping over. More creeps will swap over and help if it is vastly outnumbered then freeps will if its the opposite. Mainly due to the 1 hour cooldown 1 side holds. Sadly the numbers game can switch so fast then there is to many freeps and those who swapped have to wait a hour.
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    As per the new ban on transfers to E there's waves and waves of greenies now, don't take them away from us!
    There may come a time for valor without renown, for those without swords may surely still die upon them.


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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    What? People can't transfer to E anymore?
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ben4patriots View Post
    Leaveit,

    I dont mean in the sense that freeps come out and wipe the floor with the creeps. Perhaps own was a bad choice of words. But Nimrodel always has alot more renown gained then infamy gained. Looking at other servers it seems to be that way to. But Nimrodel does not have swings each week like some of the other servers do. More creeps could help that I think. Even if it increases the total server gain of 50k or so on average would go a long way. But we are a freep dominated server as far as renown/infamy goes.


    I have thought of that as well Blondie. To be honest I would rather ride around and get killed then run around and see nobody. I have a chance of killing something when creeps are on. when 8 freeps are at stab and all waiting on the 1 creep to cross it sucks.

    I think a big problem of ours and possibly not just Nimrodels is people swapping over. More creeps will swap over and help if it is vastly outnumbered then freeps will if its the opposite. Mainly due to the 1 hour cooldown 1 side holds. Sadly the numbers game can switch so fast then there is to many freeps and those who swapped have to wait a hour.
    um renown and infamy gain is VERY misleading.

    Remember raiding creates imgainary renown. Freeps raid FAR more often then creeps. If the freeps and creeps get an equal amount of kills in a day the freeps will get twice as much renown as the creeps got infamy because freeps generally run around in a full raid and the creeps tend to stick to solo and smaller groups.
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Brongdha View Post
    What? People can't transfer to E anymore?
    Elendilmir, Brandywine, or Landroval.

    I'll dust off WL more to finally get rank 7 when I can handle the lag before F2P takes into effect just to see if Nimrodel really does need more creeps or just a more open community to coordinate with everyone.


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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanmstanding View Post
    um renown and infamy gain is VERY misleading.

    Remember raiding creates imgainary renown. Freeps raid FAR more often then creeps. If the freeps and creeps get an equal amount of kills in a day the freeps will get twice as much renown as the creeps got infamy because freeps generally run around in a full raid and the creeps tend to stick to solo and smaller groups.
    Same argument for Elendilmir when, time after time, people pull up the stats to compare the gains after a big night of PvP and people are saying it's balanced or freeps have it better. During the daytime it's miserable for the most part for a lot of servers when lacking in freeps and people are dependent on raids. Can't say I blame them, the game has always been whoever has the numbers tends to win.

    Freeps have to raid up for the most part on E, and renown does get doubled/tripled to make up for the 24 people compared to the multiple groups that creeps have (I have heard of creeps not having a full "official" raid sometimes despite there being 40+ at TR fights) where it doesn't get distributed equally. Part of the blame is cause of a universal Vent/TS server for creeps to use instead of in game voice.

    I can't criticize what Nimrodel does on creepside, or offer suggestions to improve it, since I'm not around lately, but I do notice OOC gets quiet a lot and hardly any spam for a raid for people who don't happen to be in the same tribe.


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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanmstanding View Post
    um renown and infamy gain is VERY misleading.

    Remember raiding creates imgainary renown. Freeps raid FAR more often then creeps. If the freeps and creeps get an equal amount of kills in a day the freeps will get twice as much renown as the creeps got infamy because freeps generally run around in a full raid and the creeps tend to stick to solo and smaller groups.
    Perhaps so. Doesnt change the dead times. I would just really like to see more activity on the server PvP wise. Even if it is on both sides then.
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ben4patriots View Post
    Perhaps so. Doesnt change the dead times. I would just really like to see more activity on the server PvP wise. Even if it is on both sides then.
    I just think more creeps will create more dead times. :/ When there isnt a decent raid leader on freepside, freep numbers dwindle to the point where they already can't even come close to combating the greeny hoardes. If there were even more creeps out at those points then the few freeps sticking it out now would probably give up and there would be no one left at all
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  12. #12
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    When the creeps on our server actually group up, coordinate, and have a decent amount of numbers, that's when the creeps win imo. I don't know how freeps are doing better than creeps even on downtime. I play both sides, and freepside OOC is a lot more quiet than creepside I think.

    Also, not trying to be harsh, but I think a lot of the 'better' players are on creepside. Don't get me wrong, we have really good freeps as well, but for months now it just seems that without an open raid from the usual 2 or 3 leaders, the freeps are COMPLETELY clueless. It's like they need their mommy's hand to guide them to where the fight is, how to pewpew, whatever. I dunno, just what I see

    Just more players all around would be nice ><

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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    It seems like you guys have a fairly decent amount of ranked creeps.
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cronk5 View Post
    When the creeps on our server actually group up, coordinate, and have a decent amount of numbers, that's when the creeps win imo. I don't know how freeps are doing better than creeps even on downtime. I play both sides, and freepside OOC is a lot more quiet than creepside I think.

    Also, not trying to be harsh, but I think a lot of the 'better' players are on creepside. Don't get me wrong, we have really good freeps as well, but for months now it just seems that without an open raid from the usual 2 or 3 leaders, the freeps are COMPLETELY clueless. It's like they need their mommy's hand to guide them to where the fight is, how to pewpew, whatever. I dunno, just what I see

    Just more players all around would be nice ><
    i will admit this is one of our biggest problems on freepside. Alot of freeps who without a group/raid will leave. I pretty much only join raids on Saturdays now as during the week I dont feel the need and with work I log earlier then usual.

    But today is a perfect example. Maybe 5 creeps on TA lawn and 10 or so freeps and we push them through the ruins and wipe them. In OOC not 2 minutes later I see someone asking for a raid and then I get a blind invite to a raid. Even when we outnumber and wipe them solo some still feel the need to start a raid. There does not always have to be a raid on for good fighting and many do not understand this.

    Followed by someone being killed by a warg then in OOC I read something along the lines of they are leaving and will come back when someones opens a raid etc. First thing that gets me is the fact if they want it that bad then stop whining and open one. Second thing is it isnt needed but many need it. Freep raid leaders are getting burnt out of it as well I think. I was mainly solo up to rank 9 and then raided almost all of rank 9 to 10. So far im a little past half way to rank 11 and I only raid on Saturday. Windy is getting burned of it and say what you want but Ani leads a ton but I have not seen him out here leading in almost 3 weeks it seems. So they will need to learn to solo or some others will have to step up to lead.



    As far as creep OOC and freep OOC. Freeps raid/group more so there OOC is less needed. Creeps run solo more so that is how they coordinate.
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    I would also like to see more freeps come to Nimrodel

    So very few wish to fight me
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Actually there's a bit of a fallacy in there that the infamy/renown is false and inflated freepside by raids.

    My character plays 99.9% raids of 18-24. I don't log in unless there's reason to build a raid. My playtime is comparable to many freep leaders (because usually I log on when I hear that a freep raid is assembling and I disband when the freep raid goes away (or it's gone on for 4+ hours and it's bedtime)), and my infamy gain is nowhere near those of the freep raid leaders. And E creeps will say that I tend to have a higher % of success against freeps than any other creep leader.

    Feel free to research it on the pvmp site and compare Vyxe against Elendilmir raid leaders for the past several months, and you'll find that my gain, even though I'm raid only, is consistently less averaging 2k/day (around 3 hours of play) with occasional max spikes to 4.5k for a very long weekend. http://pvmpstats.alanlouie.com/?p=vi...ver=elendilmir

    Compared to
    http://pvmpstats.alanlouie.com/?p=vi...ver=elendilmir
    http://pvmpstats.alanlouie.com/?p=vi...ver=elendilmir
    http://pvmpstats.alanlouie.com/?p=vi...ver=elendilmir

    Do note that they do not raid 100% of the time.

    Additionally, when a freep raid of 18+ is out, creeps simply cannot fight that without an organized group of at least a comparable size. (has been proven way more times than when a very poorly lead freep raid gets annihilated by small groups). Hence when a freep raid is out, one of two cases occurs 1) Creeps avoid the raid, denying it much renown/minute and also lose inf/minute as they aren't killing freeps in the raid 2) Creeps create a raid and it becomes raid vs raid, equalizing the inf/renown bonus amounts

    So, from a technically credible and adequate point of view, infamy/renown numbers are NOT significantly biased.
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Numbers can only describe points gained. They do NOT describe the quality/fun level of PvP. Those who rely on numbers to do anything other than say "You gained X, we gained Y" (i.e., merely as descriptive speech) are just plain foolish. So what if one side made more points than the other; that only matters if we all play for points.

    ...

    Though, at times, it seems that some folks only care about watching that little yellow bar move to the right.

    Anyway, don't let the numbers deceive you. 95% of the fighting on Elendilmir is one large group zerging a much smaller group (and if Freeps had maps it'd be even more prevalent). Either that, or a ranged standoff at EC/STAB.

    The good fights on E only occur during Aussie time now. The senior leadership both on Freep/Creepside is stale, boring, predictable, and far too concerned with priorities other than fun/competitive fights. Orak is just about the only person willing to consistently lead for the sake of fun fighting, oh, and Smegrat too.

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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by aklouie View Post
    Actually there's a bit of a fallacy in there that the infamy/renown is false and inflated freepside by raids.

    My character plays 99.9% raids of 18-24. I don't log in unless there's reason to build a raid. My playtime is comparable to many freep leaders (because usually I log on when I hear that a freep raid is assembling and I disband when the freep raid goes away (or it's gone on for 4+ hours and it's bedtime)), and my infamy gain is nowhere near those of the freep raid leaders. And E creeps will say that I tend to have a higher % of success against freeps than any other creep leader.

    Feel free to research it on the pvmp site and compare Vyxe against Elendilmir raid leaders for the past several months, and you'll find that my gain, even though I'm raid only, is consistently less averaging 2k/day (around 3 hours of play) with occasional max spikes to 4.5k for a very long weekend. http://pvmpstats.alanlouie.com/?p=vi...ver=elendilmir

    Compared to
    http://pvmpstats.alanlouie.com/?p=vi...ver=elendilmir
    http://pvmpstats.alanlouie.com/?p=vi...ver=elendilmir
    http://pvmpstats.alanlouie.com/?p=vi...ver=elendilmir

    Do note that they do not raid 100% of the time.

    Additionally, when a freep raid of 18+ is out, creeps simply cannot fight that without an organized group of at least a comparable size. (has been proven way more times than when a very poorly lead freep raid gets annihilated by small groups). Hence when a freep raid is out, one of two cases occurs 1) Creeps avoid the raid, denying it much renown/minute and also lose inf/minute as they aren't killing freeps in the raid 2) Creeps create a raid and it becomes raid vs raid, equalizing the inf/renown bonus amounts

    So, from a technically credible and adequate point of view, infamy/renown numbers are NOT significantly biased.
    On an individual basis, someone can make more out of raid then in. But in total the side that raids more gains more. Its just simple math. When everyone is solo (or small grouped) every player is fighting over 100(+-) infamy per kill. When you are in a 24 man raid everyone is splitting (200+) infamy per kill.
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    Re: Come to Nimrodel!!!

    This is a first
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