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  1. #51
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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Tell your fellowship that most of your effective healing comes in response to a monster dieing, so they should kill off the weakest monsters first when they want your healing. Likewise a weak monster kill early in the fight also means you buff-up everyone's attack damage with your other cry.

    Put your Herald Attack skill within easy finger-reach or bound to mouse button. At lower levels it can be useful to quickly move him around to keep monsters from hitting the squishier members of your team. Herald damage is very low. He is better as an expendable tank. If the herald dies, quickly switch-to/plant your Banner. For instance, all monsters quickly figure out if your fellowship has a healer. Any monster that is not strongly-drawn to attack a fellow will want to attack your healer. You can use your herald to occupy at least 1 of the monsters so it is less likely to go after your healer.

    Revealing Mark is almost always better than Telling Mark. The healing can be a life-safer. Telling mark is great when you have 5 or more hunters and melee attackers hitting the same Mark. This will usually only happen in a large raid and if you are lucky you have two captains for both marks anyway.

    Noble mark is very good at bringing a monster's attention to you. If Revealing Mark is not helping your team stay alive, and a squishy hunter or champion keeps getting himself killed, then use Noble mark to make yourself the tank. It will not pull the monster to you right away, which is usually a good thing as the incoming damage gets spread around a little which you can partially heal up with your first Rally Cry.

    You probably do not want to take the first incoming hits in any battle. You might need that morale up so you can spend it on Words of Courage or Time of Need.



    Quote Originally Posted by Barruktp View Post
    Alternate defensive strike every other skill, so you will not run out of melee skills and be auto-attacking.
    You will find your captain is often running low on power with this strategy. I do not recommend it unless you have the power to burn. Defensive strike is a low damage attack. Nice to have at low level for extra damage. At later levels not so much = just used for the armor buff.
    Last edited by Irnaetha; Oct 26 2011 at 11:53 PM.
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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Thank you very much for the tips. I just started a Cappy and have been learning the ins and outs. I especially appreciate the tip on doing a quick drop of the banner when the herald drops.

    Once again, Thanks!
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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Always situate your self with either the Herald on the enemy's back and you at his front (vice versa) it will allow your Herald to strike more with Coordinated attack! And as an added bonus the enemy will waste valuable time switching back and forth between the two of you while you take them down. Also you will notice how much quicker you will take foes down with one in front one in back!

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Hey,
    something that i have learned is that using your Shield brother skill are almost always detrimental for your power reserves, unless however, you have the legendary trait that applies the shield brother points to your entire fellowship. The inspire skill uses over 100 power, and if you continually use this in addition to your regular skills, you will end up with close to 0 power very soon.

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    With all of the new changes in the latest expansions, how much more important is Will now? Not just as a power concern...

    Thanks.
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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by SPQR View Post
    With all of the new changes in the latest expansions, how much more important is Will now? Not just as a power concern...

    Thanks.
    Will is completely UNimportant. With the shift to Might for Outgoing Healing and Tactical Mastery, Will provides to you only power, power regen and resistance. You will find plenty of raw power on gear. You can get plenty of resistance from virtues. You can eat food or buy DP regen to keep your power up. For these reasons, you shouldn't wear any gear with Will post level 65. You may have to getting to 65 as the old itemization on armor sets persists, but try to avoid it if you can get Might instead.
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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by RtrnofdMax View Post
    Will is completely UNimportant. With the shift to Might for Outgoing Healing and Tactical Mastery, Will provides to you only power, power regen and resistance. You will find plenty of raw power on gear. You can get plenty of resistance from virtues. You can eat food or buy DP regen to keep your power up. For these reasons, you shouldn't wear any gear with Will post level 65. You may have to getting to 65 as the old itemization on armor sets persists, but try to avoid it if you can get Might instead.
    Will is still a useful stat if the Captain needs more power.

    Yes, of course direct stats are better - but to say will is "completely unimportant" is exagerating I think. If you are a captain and you find yourself running out of power it is absolutely worth it to wear some gear with Will on it. Just depends on the individual captain's circumstance is all. It can be a useful stat.

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremi View Post
    Will is still a useful stat if the Captain needs more power.

    Yes, of course direct stats are better - but to say will is "completely unimportant" is exagerating I think. If you are a captain and you find yourself running out of power it is absolutely worth it to wear some gear with Will on it. Just depends on the individual captain's circumstance is all. It can be a useful stat.
    ICPR will generally give you more bang for the buck, and a lot of the best ICRP relics are the tier 6 True ones.
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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    ICPR will generally give you more bang for the buck, and a lot of the best ICRP relics are the tier 6 True ones.
    I never said anything about ICPR. If you want to argue Max Power vs In Combat Power Regen that's fine, but I wasn't debating that.

    What I said is Will is not a useless stat for Captains, especially if that Captain is in need of power. More power is a good thing - and if a Captain is finding himself running dry on power frequently getting some more Will can and will help.

    In-Combat power regen is good, but so is raw power. Both are useful - and while Will may be not be an ideal stat, it's a viable alternative for Captains having power issues until something better comes along. Like I said in my earlier post, it's situational - and it would be a mistake for a Captain having serious power issues to neglect available Will increases simply because of some weird taboo against Will among Captains now.

    A lot of the captains on this thread frame all of their posts and advice around an end-game mentality that assumes Captains have the best of everything either already equipped or available to them. This leads to some very bad outcomes, as I've come across some awful Captains who ran out of power half way into a boss fight simply because they think they can get away with gearing like a Captain equipped with far superior relics and equipment.

    It doesn't work that way - and the captain's individual situation is a very important factor when considering which gear to wear and not wear. There isn't a one-size fits all approach to Captains. There are a lot of evolving factors to consider.
    Last edited by Jeremi; Mar 16 2012 at 05:24 AM.

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremi View Post
    What I said is Will is not a useless stat for Captains, especially if that Captain is in need of power. More power is a good thing - and if a Captain is finding himself running dry on power frequently getting some more Will can and will help.
    Even then, +Power is going to be more effective than +Will, because you can generally get more power from +Power than you can +Will on comparative gear.

    The main reason why captains beat on the "avoid will" drum is to get it into the newer captain's head that will/fate gear is normally intended for the tactical classes, not the captain. Which, in turn, forces the captain to learn how to work around that limitation.
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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    I find myself missing a lot. Which stat increases Hitchance now, still agility?

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by Uvirith View Post
    I find myself missing a lot. Which stat increases Hitchance now, still agility?
    Yep. If you're high enough level, work on getting to around 4k finesse, that helps a lot too.
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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Yep. If you're high enough level, work on getting to around 4k finesse, that helps a lot too.
    Where does finesse come from? Agility? Or is there a real stat on some items for it? (never seen finesse on an item).

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Finesse does nothing to improve hit chance, though that probably isnt what you are implying. Of course finesse will increase your actual percentage of "hits that do damage".

    Just wanted to throw this out here because somehow finesse often gets named when people complain about their misses.

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by Vandervahn View Post
    Finesse does nothing to improve hit chance, though that probably isnt what you are implying. Of course finesse will increase your actual percentage of "hits that do damage".

    Just wanted to throw this out here because somehow finesse often gets named when people complain about their misses.
    So what should I do now to improve hit chance? <confused>

  16. #66

    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Well, you already named it, Agility.
    To have a bearable hit chance you will need to have 500+ (my opinion). Then again, Captain DPS isnt totally required in fellowships anyway.

    Finesse is a new stat that is basically reserved for lvl66+, because it almost only comes from items of that level range (there are ways to get it in skirmishes via your skirmish soldier, and also from some skills and buffs). It lowers the avoidances of your opponents, meaning it decreases their block/parry/evade and resistance stats.

    So, Agility improves your chance to actually hit your opponent, while Finesse improves the chance of said hit to penetrate the block/parry/evade of the opponent and actually cause damage.
    Last edited by Vandervahn; Mar 16 2012 at 09:07 AM.

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Good information, thank you all for the responses with regards to Will. Since I am still level 61, I will concentrate more on the might/agility (which I am doing pretty decently with now), while using some other means to keep the power pool where it needs to be. I haven't found myself lacking in the power department, so should be no worries there.

    Again, thanks.

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Hello New Players!

    The Captain has three marks: Noble Mark, Revealing Mark and Telling Mark.


    Noble Mark - Increases threat. For Example: I use it to kite an elite that hits too hard around while my archer kills it slowly.
    Revealing Mark - Heals anyone who hits the target with this mark with 15% of the damage received turned into morale back.
    Telling Mark - Increases the incoming damage on an enemy by 5%.


    A good trick in not waiting for cooldowns (If fighting more than one mob) on the marks is to quickly put a new mark on the new enemy BEFORE the other one dies, because as soon as he dies and the mark is finished, it'll make you wait on the cooldown.

    I encourage experimenting around with your marks to find fun ways to use them.

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    Re: Feedback: New Player Tips for Captains

    Advice to a new Captain:

    You will be awesome in 60 levels. Stick with it.

    Always carry plenty of power pots.

    Your full potential will only be realized in group content.
    Work like no one is watching, dance like you don't need the money...

  20. #70

    What about pre-endgame?

    I am a new player (5 days now) but I can't really apply most of the advice in this thread. I'd really appreciate some advice on what to focus on while getting to the point where I can use these tips. So, some specific questions for all you Captains of Captains.

    Which virtues do I need to focus on, or if that's impossible, which can I ignore?

    Which race of man traits am I likely to slot?

    Are there certain reps that I'll need to grind?

    Basically, what should I incorporate into my diet of EXP to reduce my raid-ready time at max level? Skirm marks, rep, specific area quests?

    Thanks much, I've really enjoyed reading this thread; and playing this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Succinctoid View Post
    I am a new player (5 days now) but I can't really apply most of the advice in this thread. I'd really appreciate some advice on what to focus on while getting to the point where I can use these tips. So, some specific questions for all you Captains of Captains.

    Which virtues do I need to focus on, or if that's impossible, which can I ignore?

    Which race of man traits am I likely to slot?

    Are there certain reps that I'll need to grind?

    Basically, what should I incorporate into my diet of EXP to reduce my raid-ready time at max level? Skirm marks, rep, specific area quests?

    Thanks much, I've really enjoyed reading this thread; and playing this game.
    Succinctoid, your questions are too general to give specific answers to. Which Virtures, traits, or reputation factions you need to concentrate on are almost entirely dependent on your own individual playstyle. There are a LOT of different ways to play this class effectively, and there is no single list of virtues, traits, or rep factions that all Captains should focus on. So it's best to give more details about what kind of Captain you are wanting to be so people can give you more relevant answers.

    Generally though, Virtues can be used to correct weaknesses in your Captain. For example: if your morale is lower than you would like, Valour and Zeal would be two obvious choices. If tactical attacks are becoming a problem for you - Tolerance and Mercy might help you out. So that's one way to look at it - and see Virtues as counterweights for the individual weaknesses of your Captain. That's probably the most effective way you can use Virtues.
    Last edited by Jeremi; Jul 15 2012 at 03:52 PM.

  22. #72
    under 75: Normal things. But if you want dps, you have to figure out the best skill rotation, or you hit all your skills, and you aoutoattacking over 5-6 sec.
    75: All party like cappys. Rez+buff the primary task. Sometimes you need to be offtank(foundry: Pen), or primary healer(Draigoch tank at 1-2 phase).
    But dont forget: you are support class: Dont rush in a mob gang, and shoot skills like a champion.
    Role: Easy. good cappy or bad cappy doens't matter. They allways get party. Cappy a strategis: stay back, check the RAT'S target, put on the mark, hit the 2 buffs, small heal on the tank, check the mobs, no agro on healer, ops: target died, and you still didnt hit! Heal bigger, put the mark on the next target, everything green, ok, NOW you can start dpsing.
    So: cappy's most important task are check+watch. My advice: roll a cappy, join to many raids-fellows, learn the roles, and when you are ready, roll the tank or healer or dps(the main roles).

  23. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Succinctoid View Post
    I am a new player (5 days now) but I can't really apply most of the advice in this thread. I'd really appreciate some advice on what to focus on while getting to the point where I can use these tips. So, some specific questions for all you Captains of Captains.

    Which virtues do I need to focus on, or if that's impossible, which can I ignore?

    Which race of man traits am I likely to slot?

    Are there certain reps that I'll need to grind?

    Basically, what should I incorporate into my diet of EXP to reduce my raid-ready time at max level? Skirm marks, rep, specific area quests?

    Thanks much, I've really enjoyed reading this thread; and playing this game.

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    race: sword damage, evade+parry+block, healing, rest is your way.

    Rep: from lvl 71 start Great river quests with daily(Heroes of Limlight) and join to a LFF LG daily starter grp.

    And you DONT think about raiding, while you dont know your class, your gear, the LI system, ect...
    Best you search a kindly-helpful kinship(and not raiding!!!), and you learn more more things, before you start raiding.
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    Stack your Might and Vitality. :P Always helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reillan View Post
    Two things:
    First: HoH is always useful. It's extra healing to your Rallying Cry skill. Even if stuff is dying all the time - you'll keep your own power up more thanks to RC's power return, and you'll help everyone else's power more. I spam RC even when health bars are at full.
    Second: 5% increase in speed does not translate to a 5% increase in DPS. It's actually more like 2-3% depending on the class, and some classes won't see any benefit. While I do like this trait, there may be more important traits to get.


    I really liked your feedback. Those kind of explanations may eventually help me understand skills! I am new to gaming, in general, but so lost on how skills work. I recently learned more about aggro, tank, and dps so that has been helpful but I KNOW I do not play my skills correctly due to not understanding. I figure if I can get a good understanding with my captain, who is now level 44, I will find even more enjoyment from the game. I would greatly appreciate any kind of resources you have to offer as well.

 

 
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