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    Re: Naming Your Elf

    What would Fronagon mean?
    Fornaglon is "north pass between high walls".

    I can't find any use of "FR" as an initial sound in Sindarin. Also, gond/gonn (great stone, rock), when used at the end of a word, has some issues.

    I am curious if Ellor would mean anything?
    If you want a different meaning from the one posted above, êl (archaic word for star) + glor (the golden light of Laurelin) would mutate to Ellor.
    Last edited by Schirf; Sep 23 2010 at 06:24 AM.
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    So I named my Elf Hanniel after a lot of searching at Council of Elrond's Sindarin names database. It is supposed to mean "intelligent." I chose it because I thought no one else thought of it on Landroval server(thank goodness I was right). What do you think?
    So many are still waiting for their new beginning. Their birth by sleep. Even me, and even you.


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    Re: Naming Your Elf

    I created an elf and named her Maraeth just wondering if that means anything cool.

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    Re: Naming Your Elf

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishika
    So I named my Elf Hanniel... It is supposed to mean "intelligent." What do you think?
    Hanniel is "Intelligent maiden." I hope your character is female. Hannion would be the male version.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vagrantone
    I created an elf and named her Maraeth just wondering if that means anything cool.
    A number of sites used to list Mar as meaning Home, but this is incorrect. Angmar comes from Ang (iron) + Bar (home) plus a sound mutation to turn the B to M on the combine.

    In the case of Maraeth, we're left with no "Mar+" word-part to work with, but we have Maw (soil or archaic "hand"), Maur (gloom), or even Maer (useful) as a starting point. Maw works best, since the w may assimilate on the combine.

    For the end of the word, you're looking at...
    gwaedh (oath) mutating to waedh/waeth
    maeth (battle), mutating to vaeth
    naeth (neck) not mutating at all.
    raef (net)

    Nothing works 100%, but IMO Maw+Raef > Mawraef > Maraeth could be argued. Tell everyone it means "butterfly net" (literally hand-net) and challenge them to prove otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schirf View Post

    In the case of Maraeth, we're left with no "Mar+" word-part to work with, but we have Maw (soil or archaic "hand"), Maur (gloom), or even Maer (useful) as a starting point. Maw works best, since the w may assimilate on the combine.

    For the end of the word, you're looking at...
    gwaedh (oath) mutating to waedh/waeth
    maeth (battle), mutating to vaeth
    naeth (neck) not mutating at all.
    raef (net)

    Nothing works 100%, but IMO Maw+Raef > Mawraef > Maraeth could be argued. Tell everyone it means "butterfly net" (literally hand-net) and challenge them to prove otherwise.
    Ahh cool gloom battle would've been cool, but since she's a hunter butterfly net(hand net) works well. Maer+raef > Maeraef > Maraeth could work also work I guess. Useful net is not a bad name. Hmm now all I have to decide is if I want to be useful or a butterfly...

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    I named my elf Arelduin Guruthos. I know Guruthos means something with shadow, but I mostly wonder what Arelduin means. I hope I can learn more from you.

    Greetings,

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    Quote Originally Posted by thommie1313666 View Post
    I named my elf Arelduin Guruthos. I know Guruthos means something with shadow, but I mostly wonder what Arelduin means.
    Duin doesn't always mutate to Dhuin, so I'd go with... Ar (noble) + Gell (joy) + Duin (river) > Arelduin

    There are other possible meanings, but this one has the nicest flow.
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    Re: Naming Your Elf

    Here's what I thought I was naming my characters:

    Dolenmir - Hidden Jewel

    Thandinn - Abiding Heart

    I ask with trepidation ... What did I actually name my characters?

    thanks for this,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schirf View Post
    Fornaglon is "north pass between high walls".

    If you want a different meaning from the one posted above, êl (archaic word for star) + glor (the golden light of Laurelin) would mutate to Ellor.
    Okay. I like this one also. Thank you very much for your help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister_Underhill View Post
    Hmm... Could be el (blue) + lo (shallow lake) + or (mountain [reduced form of orod]) = Blue Mountain Pond

    That sound right, Schirf?
    Thank you. That is very cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegreen View Post
    Here's what I thought I was naming my characters:

    Dolenmir - Hidden Jewel

    Thandinn - Abiding Heart

    I ask with trepidation ... What did I actually name my characters?
    Thandinn is fine.

    Dolenmir is a bit more complicated. The "rule" way to change Dolen + mir would give you Dolenvir, but you're in luck! Tolkien's process of sound mutations evolved over time. At one point he explained Boromir's name not having the m lenited to a v by saying that it was of "mixed" origins, containing both Quenya and Sindarin roots, and was formed as Boron+mir > Borommir > Boromir. This concept was abandoned, but it was too late to change Boromir to Boronvir (Boron+mir > Boronvir). The good news is that Dolen ends with an n, just like Boron. It can be argued that your name is Dolenmir, Dolemmir, AND Dolemir; all three steps in the assimilation process, with the m not mutating to a v for whatever rule caused the m in Boromir to stay an m. The representation Dolenmir, by that logic, gives you the same meaning you were targeting.
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    Thank you for the explanation.

    How did you become so knowledgeable about naming? It's amazing to me.

    blue

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    Re: Naming Your Elf

    The key is understanding the language enough to do the basics and spot the exceptions, which can then be researched. While I have page after page after page of my old notes from the early 80s, most of what I use for source material is now online in one form or another. I use pages like The Council of Elrond and Ardalambion as quick reference guides, but I don't always agree with them. Everyone in this field argues about what angle to take and I'm certainly not perfect; I've just been toying with using Sindarin for naming for a long time.
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    Re: Naming Your Elf

    The lore for this game is so deep.

    Thanks again,
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    Re: Naming Your Elf

    Does naming your elf really matter?

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    I'm naming my elf minstrel Elfis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ko0b View Post
    Does naming your elf really matter?
    You'd better believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ko0b View Post
    Does naming your elf really matter?
    Imagine if all of the NPCs had names like "IHealWell", "TankForHire", and "Lootz"… would this game feel like Middle Earth? If the names on the NPCs matter, then the names on the PCs you encounter matter some too.

    People that care the most about the setting often believe that characters sporting silly names are played by immature kids, and those who have lore appropriate names are driven by players here because they too love Middle Earth. The later are given a little instant respect. Sure, they're wrong sometimes, but life is riddled with first impressions.

    To put it another way; you can't go wrong by using a lore appropriate name. Does it matter? It matters to some people.
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    Ah I see, No wonder there's no silly name in this game =]. TY for the reply.

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    My forum name is short for Arsakalthor Malkor or 'he who rises in might'.

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    I tried to dig up some information on naming my elf warden before I knew this thread existed.

    I finally found something that I thought fit the class perfectly and wasn't already taken. I came up with Arech. I thought this meant Noble Spear. Did I mess something up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arech View Post
    I came up with Arech. I thought this meant Noble Spear. Did I mess something up?
    Did you mess up? No, but the etymologies mistranslated 'Ech' as "spear". The correct translation, according to VT/45, is "spine".

    Noble Spine may sound strange at first, but in English "backbone" means strength of character for a reason. I think it's a great name... but then again, I have a character named Echael (Ech + Sael > Ech + Hael > Echael), literally Spine-Wise.
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    Galedhel or Gal'edhel.

    I love the Elvish names.

    I'm not sure why I can not put an ' in my nick, It would be more Elvish.

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    I named my elf Morotheri Mithfaron, would that be Conquerer of Shadow, and Gray Hunter?

    also, a nice word list is here (it has 3 languages I think: http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/sindar/df20.html just download the program to get the word list, it's pretty much a dictionary)
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    Oh wow, reading all your knowledge about Sindarin was really interesting! I'm new to LOTR, so I'm still learning all about the world as I go through the books. I love stuff like this. Kudos!

 

 
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