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  1. #1
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    Question on 2nd age bows

    Is it worth it to craft a 2nd age bow? Is the DPS that much higher than a 3rd age to make it worth it?

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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    Dps isn't that much of a difference, but here ya go.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    The DPS does add up but the big one is the amount of points you get to spend on legacies.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    If your looking for Top End Damage the 2nd age Bow will give a bit more. 9 points per shot more over all. Not great but in the long run of fights you will notice it from the 3rd age bow.

    Next would be the LP Spendage. You will get more on the 2nd age than the 3rd age so thats a plus on that extent as well.

    Dont feel out of the loop if your not running with the 2nd age bow because in all honesty your doing just fine without it but its more on the lines of a slight upgrade to what your doing now in essence.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    The problem with 2nd age bows is that you have the possibility of it being absolutely awful. I have a 2nd age bow with only one good legacy (Mercy Shot cd, no power costs, no crit multipliers) and I just don't think the marginal increase to dps is worth the lack of good legacies. *shrug*
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    The reason to dump a Good or GREAT 3rd age bow is if you find a good or GREAT 2nd age. I cranked through 4 or 5 before I won the lottery, I just wish it had BA Bleed and it would be ideal for me.

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    I parsed (and did not save) Cargaraf tankings with my ****** 2nd age bow and my very nice 3rd age, and it was not worth the mats to make the bow for the difference let alone paying for one or a symbol.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    The 2nd age does 4% raw DPS more. Everything else equal a 2nd age is substantialy better.

    You generally get one more legacy and you get more points to spend on legacies so your odds of a 2nd age being better than a 3rd age are very good.

    You have the opportunity to go through alot more 3rds ages so you are more likely to be able to eventually find a great third age.

    You have to make the call based on how many times you are willing to run SG, how many 3rd ages you are willing to grind through, how much your fantasy gold is worth to you, and how many times can you stand being called a noob.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    I got lucky on my first draw of the 2nd age bow lottery, but if i hadn't, i wouldn't make a big deal about continually grinding for symbols. Its all about the time/effort you are willing to sink into getting a second age. Personally, its not worth the gold or time that i've seen some people invest, but thats just me.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kannos1600 View Post
    If your looking for Top End Damage the 2nd age Bow will give a bit more. 9 points per shot more over all. Not great but in the long run of fights you will notice it from the 3rd age bow.
    Actually, if you've maxed your ranged-crit (as you should), 20% of your shots will be either a crit or Dev-crit. Since the multiplier is against this extra 9 as well, it will translate to more. I also think Agility bonus is against the entire DPS. So this "9" might actually be 13-14 at 650 AG.

    also, I also believe that in a group/raid situation the two threat reduction legacies can be considered "DPS" as well. If you can shift from Endurance--> Precision --> Strength that much sooner, it translates to more DPS.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    Quote Originally Posted by Irenmund View Post
    also, I also believe that in a group/raid situation the two threat reduction legacies can be considered "DPS" as well. If you can shift from Endurance--> Precision --> Strength that much sooner, it translates to more DPS.
    I dont believe this reasoning works anymore. I dont know any raiders that currently use endurance or ramp up like that; we generally start in either precision or strength and stay there. There is also legitimate debate about strength or precision doing more DPS.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    Quote Originally Posted by dhatcher1 View Post
    I dont believe this reasoning works anymore. I dont know any raiders that currently use endurance or ramp up like that; we generally start in either precision or strength and stay there. There is also legitimate debate about strength or precision doing more DPS.
    Endurance is a PUG only stance in my book. The tanks I run with can hold over Precision so that is always the starting point.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    Quote Originally Posted by Irenmund View Post
    Actually, if you've maxed your ranged-crit (as you should), 20% of your shots will be either a crit or Dev-crit. Since the multiplier is against this extra 9 as well, it will translate to more. I also think Agility bonus is against the entire DPS. So this "9" might actually be 13-14 at 650 AG.

    Technically, it's Ranged Offense now (But 1 AGI = 10 ROff). A small distinction, but a mathsy one.


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    Also, crits use the weapons listed max damage, rather than a variable between the weapons min/max damage.

    This is why the slower bows were so OMG when weapon speeds were still 'in the game' (they still are, technically, they're just same across type.)

    Your shot rotations would be practically the same between a 2.8 bow and a 2.4 bow, but your max damage would be much, much higher, so the slower bow really critted like a beast (in comparison) even though both had the same "DPS".
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    Quote Originally Posted by Irenmund View Post
    Actually, if you've maxed your ranged-crit (as you should), 20% of your shots will be either a crit or Dev-crit. Since the multiplier is against this extra 9 as well, it will translate to more. I also think Agility bonus is against the entire DPS. So this "9" might actually be 13-14 at 650 AG.

    also, I also believe that in a group/raid situation the two threat reduction legacies can be considered "DPS" as well. If you can shift from Endurance--> Precision --> Strength that much sooner, it translates to more DPS.
    True to that. As saying the 2nd ager will still out DPS a 3rd ager in the long run barring in mind of the legacies.

    A 3rd age bow with Crit Legacies and having the highest available Crit chance will out DPS a 2nd ager with no crit legacies or even just one.

    I havnt taken the time to lvl up my 2nd age bow just yet but it lucked out to have 1 of 2 crit legacies on it at the first identify. I just have to wait 3 levels to decon my 3rd age and slap all the goods onto my 2nd age.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    Quote Originally Posted by kerryak View Post
    Technically, it's Ranged Offense now (But 1 AGI = 10 ROff). A small distinction, but a mathsy one.


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    Also, crits use the weapons listed max damage, rather than a variable between the weapons min/max damage.

    This is why the slower bows were so OMG when weapon speeds were still 'in the game' (they still are, technically, they're just same across type.)

    Your shot rotations would be practically the same between a 2.8 bow and a 2.4 bow, but your max damage would be much, much higher, so the slower bow really critted like a beast (in comparison) even though both had the same "DPS".

    Am I the only one who misses the days when bow speeds mattered and you had at least 5 bows in your bag?
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    I had 3 bows at one point. Then just opted to carry the damage type scrolls instead.

    In all honesty I never minded having multiple bows for situational moments. Made me have to go to dungeons others would skip just to carry a good weapon of the type to fight.

    Although to counter my own point a bit I dont mind having different damage scrolls to throw on 1 weapon at different times if needed ./shrug
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    Quote Originally Posted by Aidus View Post
    Am I the only one who misses the days when bow speeds mattered and you had at least 5 bows in your bag?
    Nah... I don't miss needing A flame bow, Celegdur/Cudur for most situations and Ancient Dorf for Thorog.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    Quote Originally Posted by dhatcher1 View Post
    I dont believe this reasoning works anymore. I dont know any raiders that currently use endurance or ramp up like that; we generally start in either precision or strength and stay there. There is also legitimate debate about strength or precision doing more DPS.

    Umm.... I've played with some pretty good tanks, and unloading at the start in either Precision or Strength at the start of a boss fight will peel aggro. YMMV.

    Agree though that Endurance is a pug stance. Also run with some ??? Tanks. Was in DN (pug) and was pulling aggro from a Guardian in Endurance with Graceful Draw slotted.... I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was mostly AFK or had his girlfriend in his lap and was distracted or something.
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    Re: Question on 2nd age bows

    i really wish i played my guardian more to learn the class on skill names to give proper call outs to tanks in my kin.

    i have a kinmate who isnt the worst tank in the game but he is def not one of the best and i want to help him up his tanking ability but well my lack of know on the class shines as its one of the few classes ive never really cared for.

    i can tank in endurance on him which bothered me in SH last night. so i took a little time to help him on playing it but felt bad since i couldnt name off half the skills. did teach him Sting removes corruptions though! yay!
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