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  1. #5951
    I'm rather bored at work today so I'll be on the boards a lot lol

    Quote Originally Posted by motumbo View Post
    1) I think the entire idea of being able to hit MB and BH desperately is impossible.... with the maps and stuff... so is focusing on trying to split you up useless??? Or is fight location THAT much more important??.
    I assume you mean separately. And the honest answer is that it depends. Often we try avoid each other, other times if we are fighting a larger fraid, then communication will occur and convergence will happen (to try even the fight). Sometimes convergence of two tribe groups is intentional, other times it is not...we don't assume to try and Command each other what to do.

    2) after running in a few BH groups... does bag ever run as a RAT ... or does he just do more leading the raid overall... this seems to be the biggest problem with me personally... is I love to try and micro manage which I feel hurts my raid more that helps.
    Sometimes he calls targets, sometimes he does not. We keep that in rotation typically. I'm not trying to speak for Bag, but I would say he that while he doesn't "micro manage", he does expect people to listen to direction when he is leading.

    3)Is moving out of the banners really that important??? If creeps have 5 WL... is that even possible?
    It is not possible to move out and it is not that important.

    To keep the discussion going: (and anyone can answer this not just Cintona)

    1.) When you are leading are you cognizant of where you are in relation to a map spot?
    2.) Do you switch over to someone else to lead a raid, once a group is established, to take a break?
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  2. #5952
    Quote Originally Posted by motumbo View Post
    Other than the severe lag I have been acquiring over the last few nights... I think the biggest problem was we had alot of squishies out... and a few greenies... so the "easy" stuff was a bit more difficult... and the fact is in my opinion we need a lot more champs out there... or fights are really going to continue to be uphill... and I'd like to apologize to other group... the coordination was horrible last night.... it won't happen again...
    I'd like to apologize to the Ascension group for the lack of coordination when I was leading, too. Ascension has a freep TS channel, and I plan to use it much more often. It's much easier for me than stopping and coordinating with the other group in chat...... I think Deok does this a lot on the move...... that would explain why I see him running into trees all the time I think the Ascension freep channel is something that should be used much more often, and would be tremendously helpful in coordinating efforts when needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by motumbo View Post
    1) I think the entire idea of being able to hit MB and BH desperately is impossible.... with the maps and stuff... so is focusing on trying to split you up useless??? Or is fight location THAT much more important??
    I think this has a lot to do with the numbers and how freeps are fighting. If MB is running with ~10, BH is running with ~10 and freeps are running with ~10, creeps would be happy to separate in open-field fights. It's in their interest to do so........ points aren't split as many ways, and nice fights...... I don't think either side takes pride in, or is looking to, just crush the other side with numbers. If freeps fight from one location for an extended period, however..... well, all the food is in a one spot, and that's where all the creeps are going to be. On the other hand, when MB is running with ~10, BH is running with ~10, and the freep raid has ~20, it's quite understandable that creeps would want to coordinate their movements to be competitive. Separation then isn't something either side wants because we have roughly even numbers, and both sides have the opportunity to get good points. Where issues arise is when the fraid is running with, say 15, one craid is running with 10 and the other craid is running with around 12. That sort of mix happens a lot, and that's when you'll often see either 1) freeps riding all over the map flipping things, trying to stay one step ahead of the creeps and trying to get one group separated or 2) the back door dance at a keep trying to get separation that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by motumbo View Post
    2) after running in a few BH groups... does bag ever run as a RAT ... or does he just do more leading the raid overall... this seems to be the biggest problem with me personally... is I love to try and micro manage which I feel hurts my raid more that helps.
    Deok, I think you do a fine job doing both at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by motumbo View Post
    3)Is moving out of the banners really that important??? If creeps have 5 WL... is that even possible?
    That Banner of Terror is nasty....... "Using this skill reduces enemy Tactical Mastery by -4000, Might by -405, -10% Tactical, Melee and Ranged damage, and -592.898 in-combat regeneration rates while standing within range of the banner." Last time I checked (it's been a while) it also reduced Will, and it knocked about 17% off my DPS. They're going to have a significant affect on freep heals as well. At ~17% reduced effectiveness, I think of it as losing 4 people out of a 24 person fraid. They can be hard to get out of (impossible in OP fights). There are times I'll try to pull back from the banners. If the creeps are melee heavy, then freeps can sometimes back away from banners and force creeps to keep pushing into them leaving existing banners behind. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't
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  3. #5953
    Quote Originally Posted by skeetskeet_yo View Post
    1.) When you are leading are you cognizant of where you are in relation to a map spot?
    Yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by skeetskeet_yo View Post
    2.) Do you switch over to someone else to lead a raid, once a group is established, to take a break?
    Once in a while, but not very often.

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  4. #5954
    @Cintona: When you first started leading raids out in the moors in the past couple of weeks or so, did you have to surpass a lot of boundaries because people thought you were a "wolf in a sheep's skin" of sorts? I know I've talked to a few people who have been booted from fraids because they were martyrized as being a creep spy or creep feeder.
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  5. #5955
    When someone decides to take charge and lead, I follow. As long as there is a plan and direction, I'm good to go. I didn't realize Deok was a dirty creep til recently. Not sure on the others that are more "seasoned" out here but I never had doubt on his leading.
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  6. #5956
    Quote Originally Posted by skeetskeet_yo View Post
    @Cintona: When you first started leading raids out in the moors in the past couple of weeks or so, did you have to surpass a lot of boundaries because people thought you were a "wolf in a sheep's skin" of sorts? I know I've talked to a few people who have been booted from fraids because they were martyrized as being a creep spy or creep feeder.
    no, not really... freepside generally took really good to me... I noticed that a lot of players won't run with people did X or whatnot... but for me... I lead 1 small free group and then started raiding... and I've only booted 1 person I thought was spying ...... but I digress .... I think there are certain barriers to people who are disliked freepside... I think is a deadly mistake... but unfortunately I can't ensure people invites all the time.
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    @Loki Do you sleep with your closet doors open or closed? Would you rather be attacked by a big bear or a swarm of a bees? Do you ever count your steps when you walk? If you had a time machine, what would you change from your life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motumbo View Post
    no, not really... freepside generally took really good to me... I noticed that a lot of players won't run with people did X or whatnot... but for me... I lead 1 small free group and then started raiding... and I've only booted 1 person I thought was spying ...... but I digress .... I think there are certain barriers to people who are disliked freepside... I think is a deadly mistake... but unfortunately I can't ensure people invites all the time.
    Pretty sure freepside on this server takes rather well to anyone willing to lead the raid baby charge...
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  9. #5959
    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Where issues arise is when the fraid is running with, say 15, one craid is running with 10 and the other craid is running with around 12. That sort of mix happens a lot, and that's when you'll often see either 1) freeps riding all over the map flipping things, trying to stay one step ahead of the creeps and trying to get one group separated or 2) the back door dance at a keep trying to get separation that way.
    This rarely happens. Most of the times Freeps greatly outnumber creeps and hide in their NPCs. But creeps outgun freeps in terms of skill. I can maybe count on one hand how many good freeps there are in a given full fraid, but of course I'm not complaining. (And this is directed towards every freep, not singling you out Cas) By all means continue to play the way you do, chickening out in keeps, being too scared to leave GV, gathering a fraid and then some to combat our craid of approximately 18, at the end of the day, we get more kills than freeps do.

  10. #5960
    Quote Originally Posted by ArkenstoneCreeper View Post
    This rarely happens. Most of the times Freeps greatly outnumber creeps and hide in their NPCs. But creeps outgun freeps in terms of skill. I can maybe count on one hand how many good freeps there are in a given full fraid, but of course I'm not complaining. (And this is directed towards every freep, not singling you out Cas) By all means continue to play the way you do, chickening out in keeps, being too scared to leave GV, gathering a fraid and then some to combat our craid of approximately 18, at the end of the day, we get more kills than freeps do.
    I think you have the misconception that the freep raid had 18 at any point last night after 830. And you guys had about 24 when tossing in MB and others. Also you toss around the word skill like it took a lot to take 3 ops and kill 12 when we pushed out to fight you in the open field.. please... attach some common sense to the words that leave your mouth!! It could help considerably !!
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  11. #5961
    Quote Originally Posted by Leksi View Post
    @Loki Do you sleep with your closet doors open or closed? Would you rather be attacked by a big bear or a swarm of a bees? Do you ever count your steps when you walk? If you had a time machine, what would you change from your life?
    Syn, I like long walks on the beach and here's my take on time machines.

    “I have a time machine so if you regret anything that happens by the end of the night you can just go back in time and it will have never happened. But if we go back too far we may have an adventure and find that through our trials, we have bonded and are, in fact, destined to be together.”

    ^From worst pick up lines in history lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeetskeet_yo View Post
    Syn, I like long walks on the beach and here's my take on time machines.

    “I have a time machine so if you regret anything that happens by the end of the night you can just go back in time and it will have never happened. But if we go back too far we may have an adventure and find that through our trials, we have bonded and are, in fact, destined to be together.”

    ^From worst pick up lines in history lol
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  13. #5963
    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Where issues arise is when the fraid is running with, say 15, one craid is running with 10 and the other craid is running with around 12. That sort of mix happens a lot, and that's when you'll often see either 1) freeps riding all over the map flipping things, trying to stay one step ahead of the creeps and trying to get one group separated or 2) the back door dance at a keep trying to get separation that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by ArkenstoneCreeper View Post
    This rarely happens. Most of the times Freeps greatly outnumber creeps and hide in their NPCs. But creeps outgun freeps in terms of skill. I can maybe count on one hand how many good freeps there are in a given full fraid, but of course I'm not complaining. (And this is directed towards every freep, not singling you out Cas) By all means continue to play the way you do, chickening out in keeps, being too scared to leave GV, gathering a fraid and then some to combat our craid of approximately 18, at the end of the day, we get more kills than freeps do.
    The number, 18, that you used in your example made me curious When you say "our craid of approximately 18", does that mean a craid that includes both BH and MB, or is that just BH? In the raid I was in last night, we had a full raid of 24 for a good portion of the night. We did not coordinate with any other fraid. If the craid of 18 that you referred to was a BH and MB mix, then that would mean that BH was only running with about 6 to 8 people since I think MB ran with about 10 to 12 for most of prime time.

    The fraid I was in fought both BH and MB during most of the fights we were involved in last night during prime time. That's why I was curious to know if the craid of 18 meant BH and MB, or if 18 meant just BH. If BH had 18 in their own craid, then that's exactly the type of situation I was referring to in the first quotation with a fraids of 24 fighting two craids; one with 18, the other with 10 to 12.

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    Last night was actually pretty boring. I give it a 4 out of 10 for wanting to drink away the depression.

    But on a better note I got my tax refund back today and I figured I'd waste that on hookers and blow.
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  15. #5965
    Quote Originally Posted by motumbo View Post
    I think you have the misconception that the freep raid had 18 at any point last night after 830. And you guys had about 24 when tossing in MB and others. Also you toss around the word skill like it took a lot to take 3 ops and kill 12 when we pushed out to fight you in the open field.. please... attach some common sense to the words that leave your mouth!! It could help considerably !!
    You are referring to the fights last night. Ok time for a few words.

    Firstly: I applaud your efforts (again this is directed towards freeps who were there) as you continued to come back even when you barely got any kills from the main Craid.

    Secondly: we were trying to get the freeps to leave GV, so we took all the OP buffs.

    Thirdly: Wait. You think the OPs would have made a difference? You mean like the difference it makes when freeps have more OPs than creeps do and you still hide in your NPCs despite outnumbering us? Oh right. It would have definitely helped you last night. ./facepalm.

  16. #5966
    Quote Originally Posted by Leksi View Post
    Last night was actually pretty boring. I give it a 4 out of 10 for wanting to drink away the depression.

    But on a better note I got my tax refund back today and I figured I'd waste that on hookers and blow.
    Lmao.... have fun

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  17. #5967
    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    The number, 18, that you used in your example made me curious When you say "our craid of approximately 18", does that mean a craid that includes both BH and MB, or is that just BH? In the raid I was in last night, we had a full raid of 24 for a good portion of the night. We did not coordinate with any other fraid. If the craid of 18 that you referred to was a BH and MB mix, then that would mean that BH was only running with about 6 to 8 people since I think MB ran with about 10 to 12 for most of prime time.

    The fraid I was in fought both BH and MB during most of the fights we were involved in last night during prime time. That's why I was curious to know if the craid of 18 meant BH and MB, or if 18 meant just BH. If BH had 18 in their own craid, then that's exactly the type of situation I was referring to in the first quotation with a fraids of 24 fighting two craids; one with 18, the other with 10 to 12.
    You assume I am in BH, I have never stated that I am or am not.

    The number 18 was just an example. We actually had ~12 last night, the other tribe had roughly around the same as well. One of the dogs had 27 freeps on track most of the time, so you don't include the gold taggers in your statement. Nonetheless, suppose BH and MB coordinated, that gives you 24 creeps, to match your 24 (ahem 27, but I guess some folks don't really count since they contribute to nothing), I suppose that would make the fight even. But wait, I forgot, we had all the ops, that would have changed everything.

  18. #5968
    Quote Originally Posted by ArkenstoneCreeper View Post
    We were trying to get the freeps to leave GV, so we took all the OP buffs.
    I think we'd both like to see more nights with good action where both sides are slugging it out, and points are plentiful. Towards that end, I'd suggest that taking OPs to get freeps away from GV usually does not work as far as improving the action. Typically, it will do one of three things. A) Freeps start logging off. B) It will plant freeps even more firmly in GV. If they're hanging out at GV, they're already in a defensive mindset. Turning the map red just tends to reinforce that mindset.C) Freeps will run around the map PvEing instead of PvPing.
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  19. #5969
    Quote Originally Posted by ArkenstoneCreeper View Post
    You assume I am in BH, I have never stated that I am or am not.

    The number 18 was just an example. We actually had ~12 last night, the other tribe had roughly around the same as well. One of the dogs had 27 freeps on track most of the time, so you don't include the gold taggers in your statement. Nonetheless, suppose BH and MB coordinated, that gives you 24 creeps, to match your 24 (ahem 27, but I guess some folks don't really count since they contribute to nothing), I suppose that would make the fight even. But wait, I forgot, we had all the ops, that would have changed everything.
    Well cheers then! With 24 against 27, you guys whupped our butts last night.

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  20. #5970
    Wait. There was fighting out last night? If only there was some way for freeps to communicate the location of creeps, numbers, etc then I wouldn't have to run around the map for hours searching for the zerg!
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  21. #5971
    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Well cheers then! With 24 against 27, you guys whupped our butts last night.
    When it is fairly even in terms of numbers, we whooped your butts a lot faster. Normally it takes us a few deaths, but I am happy to report that we suffered maybe 3 deaths in a given fight. ./bow excellent fights.

    *Take note that half the time, one of the tribes would hit the freeps first without any sort of communication on the whereabouts and nearly wipe them before the second tribe showed up, if at all, we were not communicating, can't let the other tribe get our delicious points now can we?*
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  22. #5972
    Quote Originally Posted by ArkenstoneCreeper View Post
    When it is fairly even in terms of numbers, we whooped your butts a lot faster. Normally it takes us a few deaths, but I am happy to report that we suffered maybe 3 deaths in a given fight. ./bow excellent fights.

    *Take note that half the time, one of the tribes would hit the freeps first without any sort of communication on the whereabouts and nearly wipe them before the second tribe showed up, if at all, we were not communicating, can't let the other tribe get our delicious points now can we?*
    So if this is the case, in order for freeps to increase their points, their options are (not mutually exclusive):

    a) Work on improving both their own PvMP skills as a player, and their PvMP raiding skills.

    b) Try different strategies.

    c) Improve communication and coordination between fraids.

    d) Form mega fraids where two or more fraids move and fight as one.

    e) Take as many keeps, OPs and Delving buffs as possible. <---- I actually think that doing this reduces your point potential, but some people think otherwise.

    f) Stack all kinds of heals.... stack enough heals, and the worst you're likely to get when fighting nearly equivalent numbers is a draw. No more fraid wipes while only getting 3 kills.

    Did I miss any options? Just food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    So if this is the case, in order for freeps to increase their points, their options are (not mutually exclusive):

    a) Work on improving both their own PvMP skills as a player, and their PvMP raiding skills.

    b) Try different strategies.

    c) Improve communication and coordination between fraids.

    d) Form mega fraids where two or more fraids move and fight as one.

    e) Take as many keeps, OPs and Delving buffs as possible. <---- I actually think that doing this reduces your point potential, but some people think otherwise.

    f) Stack all kinds of heals.... stack enough heals, and the worst you're likely to get when fighting nearly equivalent numbers is a draw.

    Did I miss any options? Just food for thought.

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  24. #5974
    AH this thread is great. Lemme see here...

    @cin, I pretty much only play my WL in raids right now so that's why I don't call targets alot...As my rats can tell you I offer alot of suggestions when I don't like the targets being picked...but in a large raid v raid if I'm picking targets that mean I'm not healing my group and being useless to the raid...I try to maximize what I can offer to my raid...

    @freeps, while I do enjoy the general statements that come from freeps that go "we had 15 when you guys said we had 24 but we tracked and you guys had 24 when you said you had 12". It's called goldtaggers or second freep/creep group or whatever your preferred term is and both sides numbers perception is skewed because of it. Creepside communication is excellent so callouts usually get 3-4 creep groups mapping in. From what I've heard from freeps, prime-time raid v raid action callouts are rather sparse and freeps fear that spies are watching ooc. I guarantee that 90% of the time a dog is giving creep ooc a 20 meter play by play on the freep raid so you should probably not worry about spies.

    Hrmm lets see what else

    As far as I'm concerned freeps have to earn the keep buffs. If you fight your way into a keep and take it, hey good for you, spoils of war and all that. As far as OP's are concerned I could care less about them. The only reason I take OPs is if I happen to be passing by one or If I know it will get some type of reaction from the freeps. I hear that freeps complain alot about OPs and if they are uneven freep groups with go flip them. This presents a great opportunity for me to force a fight where I want.
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    I dedicate this little number to all the ladies.

    Enjoy Creep Violence


    Baglun's blackspeech breaks raid babies
    Shield bashing in into my little guard
    Painful to me, pierc'n claws through me
    Can't you bubble me, oh-oh my captain?

    All I ever wanted, all I ever needed
    Is here in my raid
    Strats are very unnecessary
    It's not about how I played...

    Rules are spoken to be broken
    Forums are intense, skill is trivial
    Trolling remains, so does nothing
    Words are meaningless and forgettable

    All I ever wanted, all I ever needed
    Is here in my raid
    Strats are very unnecessary
    It's not about how I played...

    All I ever wanted, all I ever needed
    Is here in my raid
    Strats are very unnecessary
    It's not about how I played...

    All I ever wanted, all I ever needed
    Is here in my raid
    Strats are very unnecessary
    It's not about how I played...

    Enjoy creep violence, enjoy creep violence
    Enjoy creep violence

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