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  1. #3351
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    Quote Originally Posted by jljohnson4 View Post
    I agree with this. Not that the lowbies are any exception. I logged on creep a few days ago and every 3rd thing I saw posted in ooc was a creep (ranked and unranked) calling out the location of a solo freep so everyone can map in and hunt them down.
    yep - always this way after a new book or significant update - lots of creeps waiting for action to pick up, then dog pile every freep that pops up

    is why I haven't been in the moors much - should get back to normal soon as everyone and there kins get ranked/geared and in many cases help get their kinmates ranked/geared
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  2. #3352

    Re: Ettenmoors

    Quote Originally Posted by jljohnson4 View Post
    I agree with this. Not that the lowbies are any exception. I logged on creep a few days ago and every 3rd thing I saw posted in ooc was a creep (ranked and unranked) calling out the location of a solo freep so everyone can map in and hunt them down.
    For this reason, when I go over there, I don't really pay much attention to what locations are being called out. I might mosey over there on the off chance it'll lead me to others, but I never rush. I also avoid calling out freep locations unless there's 4+ in an area (as funny as it would probably be to watch the army of reavers show up looking for 1 or 2 freeps).
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    That's cute, burgs and turbine's new darling class complaining that no one wants to fight them. Maybe I'll give it a shot when the devs admit our damage is "balanced" but until then just keep walking.
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  4. #3354

    Re: Ettenmoors

    Quote Originally Posted by SarumanWise View Post
    That's cute, burgs and turbine's new darling class complaining that no one wants to fight them. Maybe I'll give it a shot when the devs admit our damage is "balanced" but until then just keep walking.
    Heh, I seriously doubt that would put a dent in your "playstyle" Akart. Also I think what you mean is "untill then, keep running". Walking would probably not save you.
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  5. #3355

    Re: Ettenmoors

    Say what you will about playstyles (I reserve judgments or comments on this matter anymore - people play how they want and what works for them, nothing anyone else says will change that), but Akart kind of has a point.

    Just the other day, actually, I caught a lower ranked mini around stab and ended up getting my *** handed to me (used to have little to no trouble soloing minis). There's a pretty good reason why creeps feel that it's not worth taking on a mini or a burg unless they have a more clear advantage.
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  6. #3356

    Re: Ettenmoors

    I can't believe the amount of crying that i see in ooc every time i go out on my freeps. Come on people, you still have a way better skill set than creeps. Quit complaining. Yeah, the facerolling days are over. This was some love creeps needed badly. I'll admit, the BA got a lil too much love, but they've sucked for so long I dont have a big problem with it. The reality of it is that if you are continuously getting owned by creeps now, you just need to play better. Groups of freeps could/should still roll over an even numbered group of creeps. Quit the crying, just go out and have fun.

  7. #3357

    Re: Ettenmoors

    oh dont be so rude. complaining doesnt always = crying so shush it. ill sit and complain all day in OOC if i want to that i cant kill a healer before the ba melts me to the ground and i dare you to say im crying about it because im not, im venting brun, venting!

    its a different moors now and its going to take people a while to get used to it. they can choose to keep playing and adapt or they can leave....really the choice is up to them. one big issue i see, at least on ark, is that freeps have gotten used to not grouping. freeps all targeting different targets and not providing each other with support isnt going to work like it used to.
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  8. #3358

    Re: Ettenmoors

    Quote Originally Posted by bruun View Post
    I can't believe the amount of crying that i see in ooc every time i go out on my freeps. Come on people, you still have a way better skill set than creeps. Quit complaining. Yeah, the facerolling days are over. This was some love creeps needed badly. I'll admit, the BA got a lil too much love, but they've sucked for so long I dont have a big problem with it. The reality of it is that if you are continuously getting owned by creeps now, you just need to play better. Groups of freeps could/should still roll over an even numbered group of creeps. Quit the crying, just go out and have fun.
    Well said. Well...maybe except for the BA part.
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  9. #3359

    Re: Ettenmoors

    Quote Originally Posted by bruun View Post
    I can't believe the amount of crying that i see in ooc every time i go out on my freeps. Come on people, you still have a way better skill set than creeps. Quit complaining. Yeah, the facerolling days are over. This was some love creeps needed badly. I'll admit, the BA got a lil too much love, but they've sucked for so long I dont have a big problem with it. The reality of it is that if you are continuously getting owned by creeps now, you just need to play better. Groups of freeps could/should still roll over an even numbered group of creeps. Quit the crying, just go out and have fun.
    Sorry Bruun, but I've got to disagree with you on this one. Just going out and having fun is kind of tough when you can't get 10 meters past the GV steps without running into a group of BAs with a support group of Defilers and 4+ Warleaders in tow, and the same is happening at the back door, too. It's going to get to the point where people are just going to stop coming.
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    I'll never stop going out there while there are still BAs to beat up!
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    I got two words for you all who are complaining, Epic Conclusion.

    I recall running around with around 9k morale getting off 1 shot then getting fried for over 7K from EC many times, now you are upset because creeps can fight back? seriously?!? Before RoI i could crit with remorsless on my champ for over 3800 and i can tell you i have NEVER gotten a Revenge off for that.

    Creeps have gotten face rolled for a long time, now that they can do more than lie down and take it you just simpley have to adjust your playstyles. Creeps no longer bring sticks to a gun fight. Learn and dominate.

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  12. #3362

    Re: Ettenmoors

    Wow the more op you creeps are the more ####### you become. How about stop running with buddies and pocket healers for a change. Every time I go out, no matter what time of day, you morons always have a friend....grow some nuts and fight. BTW anyone who /ooc someones location for a 1v1 should be scolded for being a #####. Flame away, at this point I don't care the moors is dead.
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    Quote Originally Posted by puvi View Post
    the moors is dead.
    Woot! We have a graveyard in the Moors apparently! I see Michael Orcsan is doing his "Killa" video out on TA lawn now!
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  14. #3364

    Re: Ettenmoors

    No one enjoys getting steam rolled by a zerg but it happens to us all but Different people have different play styles its just a fact of the game. If you are finding the current arkenstone ettenmoors playstyles are not to your taste then dont go out there or try another servor. There is no point in being out there if you are not having fun but honestly I am not seeing any thing going on that has not been done since I started playing on this servor before SOM or on other servors since SOA days there is usually a freep zerg ball and a creep zergball if you want to solo or small group you have to avoid them and the map is too small a place to do it forever no matter what side you play. You just have to shrug off the annoying stuff and enjoy the good fights when you can get them and if your not having fun then sometimes its just better to go and do something that you do enjoy for a bit till numbers even off or attitudes change.
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  15. #3365

    Re: Ettenmoors

    LOL Miltok! I saved that link to my favorites! I love the complaints about the new BA. After years of being a joke of a class, BAs are, at long last, brought up to par with the opposing side. I'm not sure if the complaints are because BAs now have a good shot at killing something 1 v 1, or if its because Freeps have lost an easy, automatic kill.

    Adjust, adapt, and come and get us. Its how we've tried to deal with Burgs for years, and how we'll try to manage the Minstels now.
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  16. #3366
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    The tide goes in, the tide goes out, no? Such is life, such is the ettenmoors. Different updates, different books bring changes in the game. Different skills, different advantages require different strategies tactics and expectations. Both sides have always had to adapt, and this update will be no different.

    Keep in mind there are still an awful lot of people ranking and gearing up, so the numbers aren't back to normal either.
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    Re: Ettenmoors

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    Re: Ettenmoors

    First they came for the reavers,
    And I said nothing because I was not a reaver.

    Then they came for the weavers,
    And I said nothing because I was not a weaver.

    Then they came for the defilers,
    And I said nothing because I was not a defiler.

    Then they came for the blackarrows,
    And I said nothing because I was not a blackarrow.

    Then they came for the warleaders,
    And I said nothing because I was not a warleader.

    Then they came for me,
    And there was no one left to rez me.
    Last edited by SarumanWise; Oct 20 2011 at 12:08 PM.
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    Here is a good indication from Turbine about the actual levels of freep damage and creep damage now.

    From yesterday's patch notes:

    Troll/Ranger Session Play
    ■Fixed a bug that was allowing the Troll and Ranger to double dip on damage. Damage has been reduced by roughly 50%

    Health pools have been adjusted to be relative to the oppositions damage output. Ranger health reduced to 40k. Troll health reduced to 80k.
    That last line means, litle freepies and creepies, that creep damage output is still half of freep damage output.


    Freeps, and in some cases creeps, have not yet learned how to best use their new skills, and I am sure most of the freeps are not yet geared out and maxed legendaries.

    One thing I'm sure of: freeps are still doing much more damage relative to creeps, it is just a little closer to even than it used to be. Freeps cant just come out there and farm creeps as easily as before.

    What I see lately is freeps trying to do just that. a few still succeed at it, but most not so much. The only time they seem to band together and raid up, they just go after the barter mats at the keeps and then disband and poof. If they meet resistance and get killed a time or two, they poof.

    Freep classes got some really powerfull new group skills. Use them instead of running around as a mob of soloers. When freeps go to farm PvE instances for new gear, do they all go in there as a mob of soloers? No, they group up and play their classes to the max. You need to do the same thing when you step off the GV steps.

    This happened before, when BAs got the original firedot. Freeps whined, and then started grouping up and cross buffing and healing and removing DoTs. Next thing you know, they were back to rolling over creeps.

    My opinion about BAs: I think the devs knew the RK was a big problem in PvMP, but they didnt want to nerf them. So, they changed the BA to be something like a hybrid between a hunter and RK. The BA does not do as much damage as either freep class, but can now put up a good fight on the run like an RK.

    Creeps needed some kind of running ranged damage dealer to balance out the RK, and the BA changes let the devs do that without creating a new creep class.
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  20. #3370

    Re: Ettenmoors

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorDeath2 View Post
    Adjust, adapt, and come and get us. Its how we've tried to deal with Burgs for years, and how we'll try to manage the Minstels now.
    Pop evade and run away, or call in 12 other ppl. Got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tzer View Post
    That last line means, litle freepies and creepies, that creep damage output is still half of freep damage output.
    Actually i'm pretty sure they are only talking about a ranger's dmg in comparison to the trolls. Not about all freeps and all creeps.
    Last edited by jljohnson4; Oct 20 2011 at 02:19 PM.
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  21. #3371

    Re: Ettenmoors

    Oh my sweet, confused Rasty. BAs could never run from a burg. They could barely even move an inch. But I'm foolish for trying to argue with you on the issue of "pop evade and run" when you're the Moors' leading authority on the subject. I'd laugh to your face, but no one knows what it looks like. We only ever see your backside...running into EC...after popping your evade...
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    Quote Originally Posted by jljohnson4 View Post
    Actually i'm pretty sure they are only talking about a ranger's dmg in comparison to the trolls. Not about all freeps and all creeps.
    I thought that at first too, but then decided that didn't make sense - you'd never (if things worked properly) have a troll and a ranger out at the same time so it wouldn't matter how they compare to each other.

    No, what makes sense is what Tz is saying - that the effort to burn either session avatar should be equivalent. Meaning the ranger has less health to bring the level of effort for creeps down to the level of effort for freeps.

    You could argue that the ranger has higher mitigations, if you believe creep damage is equivalent, but I've never seen that put forward by anyone?
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorDeath2 View Post
    Oh my sweet, confused Rasty. BAs could never run from a burg. They could barely even move an inch. But I'm foolish for trying to argue with you on the issue of "pop evade and run" when you're the Moors' leading authority on the subject. I'd laugh to your face, but no one knows what it looks like. We only ever see your backside...running into EC...after popping your evade...
    What exactly do you think im "confused" about Blod? Please, do tell. I never said a ba running from a burg was successful. Sure didnt stop most of them from trying though, but thats something you would know about. I agree and its good you use the word "we" because I'd be lying if i didnt admit to running from the hoardbabyzergball known as creepside these days. As I recall though when last we met solo I didnt run from you. How was my backside at the end of that? Oh thats right, you were dead. wonder if your +30% dmg would have saved you then? Guess we'll never know will we sweetcheeks.
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    mah bads new keyboard
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    Re: Ettenmoors

    Less QQ and get back to work on the infamy/reknown PVE questing. Those sticks and stones won't pick themselves up.
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