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  1. #26

    Re: LT Guide

    I think it's around 7 seconds between tier-ups.

    We have hunters go all out in phase one in order to get him down with two pools, and then a champ drains aggro from them. That way, the beast-kiter is first a hunter, and then maybe 20-30 seconds in, the champ takes over kiting and the hunter DPSes the LT.

    That said, we've only gotten the LT to 350k in HM. Working on it. >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yolsaffbridge View Post
    I think it's around 7 seconds between tier-ups.

    We have hunters go all out in phase one in order to get him down with two pools, and then a champ drains aggro from them. That way, the beast-kiter is first a hunter, and then maybe 20-30 seconds in, the champ takes over kiting and the hunter DPSes the LT.

    That said, we've only gotten the LT to 350k in HM. Working on it. >.<

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    Good good. If youve gotten to 350 then your getting the general sense. Just as a thought though, (this may not be your problem), but unless the champ has proper agro beofore the LT seperates then it takes some concentration off the raid when the bird is switching agro targets, and what not. Just a thought, but goodluck!
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    Re: LT Guide

    Okay, so not to be a super troll or rain on anyone's parade, but is everyone really as happy to get this as they seem/are pretending to be?

    Having beat this fight in HM without a guide or help from anyone else I can safely say that this guide is irritatingly more complex than necessary. This fight requires a very high degree of execution but with a very low degree of skill or strategy. These MS Paint monstrosities make this fight apear complicated and confusing instead of simple and slow.

    If you want advice on how the Lt. fight works, there are plenty of useful tips included in this guide about the things you will face, but if you're looking for an actual strategy I assure everyone who's read this and thought about using it, that a strategy your group develops will be far more effective than trying to adopt a poorly illustrated strategy by someone else.

    Practice will win this fight for every group that completes it, and practice with a consistent and cohesive group. The hunter (usually) who maintains first aggro on the fell-beast and the tank are the only people charged with anything unusual. If everyone else can learn to kite, run away from fellowship members, auto-attack, and heal if appropriate, I promise anyone can get this done.

    This post makes the "bird," as he was referred to, an albatross when really it's just a very pesky sparrow.
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    Re: LT Guide

    glad to hear you're so awesome.

    you added nothing of value, at least OP is genuinely helping people.

    and of course anyone who seriously takes on LT figures out a strategy that works for them, there is no paint by numbers.

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    Re: LT Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by wyldcyde View Post
    ...
    you added nothing of value, at least OP is genuinely helping people.

    and of course anyone who seriously takes on LT figures out a strategy that works for them, there is no paint by numbers.
    Is he? I see a lot of people saying, "I hope this will help our kin as we yada yada yada," and while this thread is relatively new, no one has reported back that, "Thanks to this awesome strat and MSPaint by numbers, we yada yada yada'd the Lt. to death!"

    I'm not providing a strategy because I'm not trying to give it all away, but my kin put up more srupid drawings like this than you can shake a stick at, and in the end, the simplest most minimal strategy with the least room for error is the one that will win this fight, not one with chaos built in.

    The pool placement isn't predictable, so a specific strategy built on pool assumptions will inevitably fail everytime. If you want to win this fight knowlegde about what to expect (which I already said is helpfully provided here) and practice of a personalized and simplified strategy with a consistent group is what will get it done.

    All I'm saying is for those who are struggling, don't abandon a strategy that is starting to work for you in favor of this difficult to follow one. The one you've got going is probably a much better choice for your group, and just generally.

    And if you want advice from me, forget two LMs, go shopping in Archet.
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    Re: LT Guide

    thx for laughs.

    ok i guess you should offer your superior knowledge of encounter to OP so he can create a decent guide that works rather than this confusion.
    surely it must not work for them so maybe you can help them get a kill.
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    Re: LT Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by wyldcyde View Post
    glad to hear you're so awesome.

    you added nothing of value, at least OP is genuinely helping people.

    and of course anyone who seriously takes on LT figures out a strategy that works for them, there is no paint by numbers.

    yawn
    Oh, settle down, Wyld. I think the point Bal is trying to make that the LT an EXTREMELY easy fight to figure out. There are really only one or two "skilled" positions - everyone else has an extremely simple job - don't eff up, run here when you get an eye. The hardest part of the fight is simply executing for approximately 20 minutes.

    So far, I've directed about 5 people to this strat, and every one of them has come back saying, "Ok, now tell me what the hell I just read."

    To me, the original post is extremely confusing about an already chaotic fight. I think Occam's Razor is a good standard here - the most simple solution is probably correct. While no one is arguing that the original post may be valid, it's far from the easiest strat.
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    Re: LT Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by UF001 View Post
    Oh, settle down, Wyld. I think the point Bal is trying to make...
    exactly trying to make.

    pls don't jump in and try to tag team me making out as if im overreacting to clear flame bait.

    i'll pull out some of your kinmates comments... honestly if you think thats constructive and didn't deserve to be shot down then i dunno.

    this guide is irritatingly more complex than necessary.
    These MS Paint monstrosities make this fight apear complicated and confusing instead of simple and slow.
    but if you're looking for an actual strategy
    than trying to adopt a poorly illustrated strategy by someone else.
    This post makes the "bird," as he was referred to, an albatross when really it's just a very pesky sparrow.
    people are different, some like it simple, some like it complex or at least with lots of details filled in.

    the community would welcome more strategy and positioning ideas, just like i'm sure people watch multiple youtube videos to get ideas of various ways to beat the encounter.

    not sure why you're directing people to this thread if its an inferior and over complicated strategy. Why not just share your own knowledge... and if you're not willing to then why should anyone care that you think you know better.

    This is a guide thread, not a place to proclaim the strat is lame yet you have no desire to improve upon it.

    I am settled down, I just take issue with people that make time to pick on those who try to increase success in raiding community.
    If you have something better please do share, many would be grateful.

    nyX is at present still wrestling over the best positioning for this encounter, we've used this guide as part of our planning but by no means the end of the discussion.
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    Re: LT Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by wyldcyde View Post
    exactly trying to make.

    pls don't jump in and try to tag team me making out as if im overreacting to clear flame bait.
    Wow man. Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?

    Quote Originally Posted by wyldcyde View Post
    i'll pull out some of your kinmates comments... honestly if you think thats constructive and didn't deserve to be shot down then i dunno.
    Again, settle down. I'm not suggesting his comments were constructive, I'm suggesting I believe the point he was trying to make was correct. It's my opinion, and I'm more than entitled to it. Let's not assume things.

    Quote Originally Posted by wyldcyde View Post
    people are different, some like it simple, some like it complex or at least with lots of details filled in.
    Unfortunately, this isn't correct. You might think it is, but it's not. There are many studies that have been done on how people "learn". In fact, it's an area I'm pretty well versed in, having worked in the field for more than a few years. The fact is, the largest majority of people learn best when information is presented in a clear and concise manner, regardless of any arguments to the contrary.

    Quote Originally Posted by wyldcyde View Post
    the community would welcome more strategy and positioning ideas, just like i'm sure people watch multiple youtube videos to get ideas of various ways to beat the encounter.

    not sure why you're directing people to this thread if its an inferior and over complicated strategy. Why not just share your own knowledge... and if you're not willing to then why should anyone care that you think you know better.

    This is a guide thread, not a place to proclaim the strat is lame yet you have no desire to improve upon it.
    I 100% agree with you.

    The reason that I don't expound on any strat that my Kinship has developed is because we have a rule against it - plain and simple. We develop our own strats over time by doing the instance. We spend A LOT of time figuring things out, understanding mechanics, and learning by doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by wyldcyde View Post
    I am settled down, I just take issue with people that make time to pick on those who try to increase success in raiding community.
    If you have something better please do share, many would be grateful.
    You're upset, which means you're probably not thinking clearly. The fact is, I believe Bal to simply mean well by saying this strat is too complicated. I, in fact, agree.

    I don't have issue with you, Wyld, and never have. You just kinda flipped out there, man.

    Quote Originally Posted by wyldcyde View Post
    nyX is at present still wrestling over the best positioning for this encounter, we've used this guide as part of our planning but by no means the end of the discussion.
    I will send you a message with a few pointers and things we've figured out. Honestly, I hope they help. Now take a chill pill and relax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthinor View Post
    Is he? I see a lot of people saying, "I hope this will help our kin as we yada yada yada," and while this thread is relatively new, no one has reported back that, "Thanks to this awesome strat and MSPaint by numbers, we yada yada yada'd the Lt. to death!"
    How many ppl said that for the watcher 2.0 guide though (when it was updated)? Same as this one, maybe a little more then due to the "difficulty". Just look at how many kinships have killed him HM, and even normal mode.

    I honestly think, ironically, that you (not you, but whoever) are making this guide more complex than it really is.

    Having done this fight HM as well, I see nothing that is extremely confusing. Sure, it could have been a little simpler in explanation, but it's more or less spot on imo. If I were learning the fight, I'd rather have bad MS paint pics than nothing. If nothing else, you at least get a feel for what has to be done. Bird kiters circle is like that, yellow eye is there, purple eye can go like that, etc.

    Have the persons in question done the fight ever? Completion isn't even necessary. This will definitely be confusing if you haven't. I think it's pretty simple for the most part, and easy to understand if you've at least experienced the fight once or twice.
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    Re: LT Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by IGolbezI View Post
    ...stuff...

    Have the persons in question done the fight ever? Completion isn't even necessary. This will definitely be confusing if you haven't. I think it's pretty simple for the most part, and easy to understand if you've at least experienced the fight once or twice.
    I think it's pretty confusing explanation having done the fight successfully. I understand what he's getting at, but I think that is largely because I (and my kin) have already been successful in this fight.

    As for the Watcher 2.0 thread, the Watcher is an INFINITELY more complex strategy than the Lt. The Lt. is harder to get to, harder to practice, and requires more precision, but the strategy pales in comparison. All of these factors account for the smaller number of individuals successfully completing it.

    If people are in need of help with positioning (which is the only real strategy part of this fight), these diagrams serve to do little more than confuse them and point them in a direction that won't necessarily help. While I don't see a guide anywhere else to the Lt., other instances have had much clearer and more easily understandable guides published. All I'm saying is this isn't very helpful, I know it wouldn't have served my kin one iota if we had tried to use it before we got our successful HM kills.
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    Re: LT Guide

    i found the guide useful as have many others.

    sorry it doesn't meet your standards.
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    My main point about watcher 2.0 is that a good guide is not an iWin button. A group still must execute, and it would seem as though that is harder said than done for BG, no?

    And like I said, I disagree that completion is necessary to understand this guide. Only experience. If you've been in there, say, three times and you don't know where to put purple eyes at that point, then this guide is beyond you, and no, you will not understand it. But I think anyone who has gotten to that point should at least be able to decipher the paint pics...they are not that confusing. Or, at least, I cannot understand what is that confusing about them I can definitely see the last pic as being confusing, but the others?

    If you are looking to get positioning out of this fight, then correct, you will probably be disappointed. It varies anyway, depending on where the puddles are spawned and how many there are. You get the general idea of where things need to go. Purple eye deposit somewhere away from the group, does not matter where unless puddles are in bad spots. Group stands somewhere around here, kiters go there. But how is positioning the only strat related aspect of the guide? What about kiting? Removing corruptions at X time? Putting eyes where? What to do if the beast is coming towards the group? That argument seems a bit twisted to me.

    Remember, too, that the other guides are in Lorebook format, which definitely helps organize the information in an eye-pleasing manner.

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    Somewhat off-topic, but the Watcher is a very easy fight. Kill tentacles, kill some more tentacles, kill danglers, kill even more tentacles, kill X (left or right) tentacle, DPS the Watcher, kill the other when dead tentacle respawns, repeat. Remove corruptions. And move out of melee range or FM when he is inducting.

    Lt fight. DPS beast or kite when you have yellow eye, purple eye runs away from group, call out if feared and group must move away if feared has purple, bird aggro kites as does the yellow eye, get corruptions down, kill Lt or beast depending on what mode you are doing.

    Somewhat simplified, obviously, but I am missing where it is "infinitely more complex". Sure, if you simplify one fight but not the other

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    Re: LT Guide

    Aestis' Easy-To-Read LT HM Guide

    - Kite the beast, don't get hit
    - Cycle corruptions; don't miss
    - Purple eyes run away


    For those who, for whatever reason, find the OP's detailed guide to be overly complex & unnecessarily confusing, have them use mine instead. Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IGolbezI View Post
    Somewhat off-topic, but the Watcher is a very easy fight. Kill tentacles, kill some more tentacles, kill danglers, kill even more tentacles, kill X (left or right) tentacle, DPS the Watcher, kill the other when dead tentacle respawns, repeat. Remove corruptions. And move out of melee range or FM when he is inducting.

    Lt fight. DPS beast or kite when you have yellow eye, purple eye runs away from group, call out if feared and group must move away if feared has purple, bird aggro kites as does the yellow eye, get corruptions down, kill Lt or beast depending on what mode you are doing.

    Somewhat simplified, obviously, but I am missing where it is "infinitely more complex". Sure, if you simplify one fight but not the other
    I remember countless posts about how to keep the Watcher from healing. I remember posts about how you have to spam clobber one of the massive tents, or how you have to keep BOTH tents alive at all times while spam-interrupting them. What mechanic about the LT (other than an optimal corruption rotation) is difficult to figure out?

    I think the point is that once you learn the basics, both the LT and the Watcher are extremely easy. Taking skill out of the equation, which fight is easier to learn from scratch: The LT or the Watcher? I'd suggest that the LT. It has far less crazy mechanics, far less group coordination, and requires far less "skilled" positions.

    There isn't a difficult part to either, but I would suggest that they're different in one main way: The Watcher is much more of a "group" fight. On level, it required a group of people firing on all cylinders to take it down, and it requires people working together. There are far less "help me" posts about the LT fight (other than posts of pure frustration).

    The LT fight, however, requires really only two or three "skilled" positions - a Main Tank, a Fellbeast Tank, and corruption removal rotation help. Other than that, there's nothing difficult to learn about the fight: If you have a purple eye, go here. If you have a yellow eye, don't let the fellbeast hit you. If you don't have an eye, attack the boss. We've learned that the most important part of the LT fight is to take care of yourself - there isn't much of a group effort in this fight - which, to be honest, could be what Turbine intended. A change of pace, as it were.

    When you look at the overall "theme" of BG, it's obvious that group coordination is paramount. Durchest and the twins both require a group working together, with good coordination skills, to take them down. The LT, however, does not. It requires 12 people to do their individual jobs, with little-to-no help from one another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UF001 View Post
    When you look at the overall "theme" of BG, it's obvious that group coordination is paramount. Durchest and the twins both require a group working together, with good coordination skills, to take them down. The LT, however, does not. It requires 12 people to do their individual jobs, with little-to-no help from one another.
    I see what you're getting at here, but I disagree somewhat. While I do agree that the basic strategy of the fight itself is rather simple (as detailed by Aestis), it does require good group coordination in the guise of communication.

    Fell-beast kiter communicating when the fell-beast is actually switching to the yellow eye person, and vice-versa.

    Anyone involved in the corruption cycle announcing when they're unavailable to perform their corruption-removing duty - before it is their turn to remove a corruption.

    Corruption removal resists announced.

    Someone who is force-feared announcing which direction they're headed (especially if it's towards the purple eye, or if they have the purple eye themself).

    Double purple eyes working together to make sure that they are both away from the group and from each other.

    LMs timing their mutual power share for maximum effectiveness.

    In fact, the more I think about it, the more I completely disagree with your comparison of the BG fights. I'm fairly confident that we could beat Twins HM and Durchest HM without anyone in the raid saying a single word - we hardly talk during those fights as it is.. Conversely, if we tried to do the LT HM w/o communicating, we'd probably get a lot more practice dealing with ghost adds and little else.

    I realize that I'm kind of simplifying "coordination" to mean "communication", but what else is there to MMO group coordination beyond communication?

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    So, bickering about the guide aside, let's try to get this back on track to an informative thread for kins trying to take this guy down...

    The thing that's getting us is the corruption cycle. I've got the general idea, leave him in blue for a bit, clear it before the debuff gets too bad, then I wait until the blue starts flashing and is about to go away, queue up my reversal and remove the yellow corruption right as the blue debuff goes away. That's well and good but when there's a resist or something, the timing gets screwed up.

    So one thing I've not had a chance to notice with everything going on there is: do these three corruptions share a tick cycle, or does each of them start a new tick cycle when the corruption is placed on the Lt?

    What I mean is this: Say I've got him in yellow. Yellow has just ticked up as high as I'd like to let it, blue is flashing with, say, 4sec left on the debuff. Since yellow just tiered up, there should be around 7 seconds until the next tick, correct? So if he's left in yellow, that will tier up in 7 seconds. If I switch him out of yellow at this exact time, he'll go back into the first corruption with the 4sec left on the blue. Will blue get immediately tiered up, or will it tier up 7sec after the yellow did, thus making it safe to switch back to the blue corruption, as the debuff will be gone before it tiers/refereshes?

    If that made any sense.
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    Re: LT Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Lestache View Post
    I realize that I'm kind of simplifying "coordination" to mean "communication", but what else is there to MMO group coordination beyond communication?
    I agree that the LT does require good communication... but I suppose where we might differ is on how difficult that communication is, or how big of a role it plays in the fight. Simply saying in vent, in a short and concise manner, how an eye is dropping off you and a new one is coming is more than sufficient to allow the group to react. Is it necessary? Probably not; especially if the raid is really paying attention. The only thing that could possibly be crucial is the corruption resist (like you mentioned). In our raids, I'm in charge of that in coordination with the tank. In the case of a resist on my part, there's been several times where my backup has been right on, and has done a removal before I even have to call for it. That would be one of the "skilled" positions required for the LT that I mentioned in an above post, with the other two being a Fellbeast tank and the LT tank.

    I suppose what I'm trying to get at is this: Both Durchest and the Twins require multiple people doing the same "type" of job. Depending on several factors, you might require two tanks swapping aggro. Corruption removal rotations, or even healing rotations - my point is that both Durchest and the Twins require a "group think" mentality, with many roles being performed by multiple people.

    The LT requires 12 people doing the "individual" jobs of watching themsleves for an eye, not burning power, and either healing or DPSing the LT. Basically, all you have to do is pay attention and not eff up. There's really very little "group think" in that strat.

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    What I mean is this: Say I've got him in yellow. Yellow has just ticked up as high as I'd like to let it, blue is flashing with, say, 4sec left on the debuff.
    This is the part that didn't make sense to me. If you're trying to let yellow tick up to a comfortable level, it will tier up 10% every 7 seconds. The old debuff (blue), would disappear in 15 seconds - so, for there to be 4 seconds left on blue and you readying a new cycle, you would be changing corruptions too rapidly. It's important to make sure that the old debuff has dropped off before you cycle corruptions - spend as little time as possible with multiple debuffs on the raid.
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    Re: LT Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Lestache View Post
    I see what you're getting at here, but I disagree somewhat. While I do agree that the basic strategy of the fight itself is rather simple (as detailed by Aestis), it does require good group coordination in the guise of communication.

    ...

    I realize that I'm kind of simplifying "coordination" to mean "communication", but what else is there to MMO group coordination beyond communication?
    Aside from announcing key points in the fight (mainly changes in the eyes), most people really only need to pay attention to themselves to make sure that they don't wipe the group. Healers, tank, a few others, have to manage a little more, but this fight is a perfect example of being extremely self aware, and not trying to micro-manage others. If you are watching yourself, then you really reduce the chance that you'll wipe the raid. There are certainly situations where strong communication is necessary when things could easily go wrong. As far as actually playing your character, you come first, as reactions are especially paramount in this fight.

    Suggesting that the fight can be quite a bit more simplified than has been suggested is not an attempt to show anyone's superiority, but merely a suggestion that overly complicating it is not going to help out much, but instead add more that you are getting overwhelmed with; for most of the people in the LT, it is you, your status, and your reactions.
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    Re: LT Guide

    semantics really.

    we can pick apart what makes one fight difficult compared to others or whether its easy etc.

    the BG progression list shows for whatever reason LT is the hardest 12man raid boss to date... or at least the burden of proof is on the person claiming watcher or BO or balrog was harder.
    I'll exclude BO HM because hardly anyone attempted it so its hard to say. Also thorog because it was 24man and very few groups/kinships could field 24man raid regularly.

    I have done LT with a good number of players and I can tell you that it is most definitely NOT easy for a good chunk of players... even the strategy requires much communication. I don't care that xyz anonymous forum poster says its easy, that does nothing to help my group.
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    Re: LT Guide

    I like these guides as they offer some pointers that to be honest saves me some time having to wipe 100 times to figure out things... obviously there are things that each class has to figure out themselves. And ultimately thats where the problem is.. Minstrels need to know know what skills are most effictive during phase 1 to dps fell beast yet keep their power topped, which can be said for several other classes.

    Melee need to learn about attacking fell beast without being hit.

    LT Tank needs to learn the corruption cycle and when to use sting etc.

    fellbeast tank needs to learn how to position them self to assist eye runners, not get caught.

    And most importantnly the whole raid needs to be able to spot an eye on their head instantly and then work out what they have to do with it. I have no idea how to help people to spot an eye on their head.

    Tips on this would be great! how do some people deal with it? do they reposition their UI so that their focus isnt drawn far from the top of their avatar? do you zoom in or out? Should i have people train their reaction skills before doing LT fight? I play HON in my spare time a bit and i found it boosts my reaction skills so when i come to play lotro its like all in slow motion. Is there an over the counter drug i can tell people to buy to help? Honestly i think the fight is so faced paced and hectic for some people they get overwhelmed and cant see whats goign on, a bit like a learner driver. In that case does it take 100 wipes before people become more relaxed? and handle the fight with more instinct than instruction?

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    lol didn't realize that difficulty was what was brought up...I thought it was the confusion of the guide.

    I've read it twice now, fully, and I'm still at a loss for what is so confusing about it. Aside from, as I've said a couple times, the last picture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laetitia View Post
    Tips on this would be great! how do some people deal with it? do they reposition their UI so that their focus isnt drawn far from the top of their avatar? do you zoom in or out? Should i have people train their reaction skills before doing LT fight? I play HON in my spare time a bit and i found it boosts my reaction skills so when i come to play lotro its like all in slow motion. Is there an over the counter drug i can tell people to buy to help? Honestly i think the fight is so faced paced and hectic for some people they get overwhelmed and cant see whats goign on, a bit like a learner driver. In that case does it take 100 wipes before people become more relaxed? and handle the fight with more instinct than instruction?
    For this fight, and the twins, I move my vitals to the center of my screen (a little below my character), as my monitor is pretty big. It's just easier to see eyes/fears that way. I zoom out all the way.

    As far as the fight being hectic, it gets much easier the more times you practice . Just try not to focus yourself too much on everyone else. Make sure that you are not using too much power, watch out for yellow/purple eyes, and make sure you let the raid know if you have the purple eye and are feared. Aside from that, it is a slow burn, just don't get too antsy. If you are kiting, make sure you know where the purple eye is, and if you have the purple eye, make sure that the bird kiter is not coming towards you...if he is, run!!
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    Re: LT Guide

    yes will just take us many more wipes and even then there is a reality that the encounter is just beyond some people, which can be said of all other tough raid bosses.

    so success sometimes involves excluding people or at least hoping someone else is available to invite instead hehe.
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    Re: LT Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Laetitia View Post
    Tips on this would be great! how do some people deal with it? do they reposition their UI so that their focus isnt drawn far from the top of their avatar? do you zoom in or out? Should i have people train their reaction skills before doing LT fight? I play HON in my spare time a bit and i found it boosts my reaction skills so when i come to play lotro its like all in slow motion. Is there an over the counter drug i can tell people to buy to help? Honestly i think the fight is so faced paced and hectic for some people they get overwhelmed and cant see whats goign on, a bit like a learner driver. In that case does it take 100 wipes before people become more relaxed? and handle the fight with more instinct than instruction?
    I've found that, if you don't already, turning off all names helps relieve the clutter and gives you a better idea of if you or someone next to you has the eye. My UI setup always has my vitals just a little bit above my skill bar as it is (I've been told I have a strange UI ), and I guess that helps a bit too, since my vitals, skills, and character are all kind of within the same area.
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    Re: LT Guide

    Why don't Turbine make corruption icons and eye icons actually bigger so its easier to notice them?
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