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    Cappy dps questions

    Ok i have just come back after a 6 month leave and i have the expansion and everything I loved the cappy i currently have a lvl 22 cappy and was wondering if they do decent dps because im not interested in healing or tanking on him or should i play a champ because my champ has NO survivability that is why im switching back to my cappy
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Captains do not DPS well. If you are not wanting to heal or tank but you do want to DPS, then yes, I suggest you switch to champ as captain does not offer what you seek.

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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    damn i was hoping they would they are really fun...

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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by sharpspawn View Post
    damn i was hoping they would they are really fun...
    If they are fun why don't you play one?

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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    because i dont wanna get into raids/instances and not be able to DPS then switch to my fail champion

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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Yeah, they aren't really at the top of the DPS tree unfortunatley (not as bad as talked about on these forums, but certainly not at the top).

    If you are finding that you are lacking survivability on your champ, try a guardian, you can do quite a bit of DPS in overpower mode (which you get at around lvl 30), although you make have to specify in capital letters, multiple times, that you are not tanking in groups (only DPSing =p)
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    I had no clue Guardians could dps

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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    ...Right.

    You're not making any sense with your contradictory question+comment there (DPS question and then "they are really fun"). Understand hybrid play a little: The reason captains are more resilient than champs is because they have other abilities besides DPS--including healing/tanking/buffs. That is the trade-off.

    No one will bring a captain into a raid to DPS at this point. Nope. If you are completely unwilling to at least off-heal and/or off-tank on a captain while in an instance, then this class absolutely is not for you. Play champion.
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Yeah I suppose if your goal is end game instances, specifically wanting to DPS, champ is the more likely candidate. A captain's role at end-game is usually back up healing/off tanking and lots and lots of buffing.

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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by sharpspawn View Post
    I had no clue Guardians could dps
    not as much as a champ, but then, they are alot more survivable too. (and dps much more than cappies)
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocatequil View Post
    not as much as a champ, but then, they are alot more survivable too. (and dps much more than cappies)
    Forget what i just said...
    Last edited by sharpspawn; Apr 14 2010 at 08:56 PM.

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    I know JUST the class for you (and everyone else in LOTRO).

    ez mode-evader of nerf bats-OP RK!

    /duck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trilwych View Post
    ...Right.

    You're not making any sense with your contradictory question+comment there (DPS question and then "they are really fun"). Understand hybrid play a little: The reason captains are more resilient than champs is because they have other abilities besides DPS--including healing/tanking/buffs. That is the trade-off.

    No one will bring a captain into a raid to DPS at this point. Nope. If you are completely unwilling to at least off-heal and/or off-tank on a captain while in an instance, then this class absolutely is not for you. Play champion.

    Darn, I've already given Trilwych too much rep recently
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by IGolbezI View Post
    I know JUST the class for you (and everyone else in LOTRO).

    ez mode-evader of nerf bats-OP Captains

    /duck
    Fixed it for you!
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    Cool Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by sharpspawn View Post
    im not interested in healing or tanking on him
    If you dont want to Heal or Tank then just Trait you captain to be a big buffer you know switch up your banners a bit. Especially Parry and Critical buffs. Hope that helps.
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    Exclamation Re: Cappy dps questions

    P.S. also use a 1 handed weapon and sheild if you want faster attacks. Which is more like a dpser.
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by edawg View Post
    P.S. also use a 1 handed weapon and sheild if you want faster attacks. Which is more like a dpser.
    ...

    ....

    .....

    um

    using a 1h weapon means you do far far less dps

    *Praying for sarcasm*
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by edawg View Post
    If you dont want to Heal or Tank then just Trait you captain to be a big buffer you know switch up your banners a bit. Especially Parry and Critical buffs. Hope that helps.
    Quote Originally Posted by edawg View Post
    P.S. also use a 1 handed weapon and sheild if you want faster attacks. Which is more like a dpser.
    Oh yeah, and don't forget to trait for the captain DPS stance but you won't be able to buff anyone but yourself, and when using your 1H make sure it's a dagger because those hit faster and crit a lot more (like a whole 1-2%, I forget which). It's totally overpowered.
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Trilwych View Post
    Oh yeah, and don't forget to trait for the captain DPS stance but you won't be able to buff anyone but yourself, and when using your 1H make sure it's a dagger because those hit faster and crit a lot more (like a whole 1-2%, I forget which). It's totally overpowered.
    yay for sarcasm!

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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Just wanted to throw out a thought or two to the OP.

    If you're having fun on the Captain, then level him up! Especially when you say your Champ is no fun. Do what's fun, you pay to play this game don't feel forced into anything!

    Also, Captains can do enough healing for anything (outside of raids) just using their melee skills 95% of the time. You will hardly ever need to actually target someone and heal them unless, again, you are doing something very difficult. You won't be sitting there like a Minstrel just targetting people and healing them. You will just go through your skills and be doing a good amount of healing. When an enemy dies you will click Rallying Cry a lot, but you don't have to target anyone or sit there just healing to do that you just click it and go back to DPSing.

    You also made it sound like you are flat out not interested in grouping with other players. That's fine also, but I will tell you that Captains, IMO, are about 10% as fun to solo as they are to play in groups. If you don't want to group then I would say stay away from Captains as they aren't the most fun solo class IMO. They can take a mean beating, but they aren't that fun just soloing to me.

    Hope this helps . Again, the most important thing is that you play the class you enjoy, you may be surprised that it wasn't what you thought you'd like at first and don't feel forced to enjoy any one class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocatequil View Post
    Hi look at me I'm a noob. also Zander is the best and is the king of captains!
    awww <3

    Quote Originally Posted by edawg View Post
    If you dont want to Heal or Tank then just Trait you captain to be a big buffer you know switch up your banners a bit. Especially Parry and Critical buffs. Hope that helps.
    if you don't want to heal, don't play a captain lol

    parry/crit/power/IDOME buffs are done pre-combat with the exception of IDOME in a long fight. and with the exception of IDOME, none of them are related to traits. if he doesn't want to heal, there is the LoM traitline that sucks comparatively for anything but soloing. but it doesn't do really good DPS either. so the captain class just doesn't fit the OP's bill.

    if he wants to buff that's cool, but it seems like he wants DPS, not healing/tanking...the only class that doesn't ever tank and does good DPS is a RK.
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by IGolbezI View Post
    I may be king of captains but Votan is certainly the god of Captains
    Aw shucks, when did this turn into a love fest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocatequil View Post
    I meant to say that zander is the KING OF GODS before sorry (that means zander > votan)!
    I forgive you for the misunderstanding
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    Re: Cappy dps questions

    Quote Originally Posted by thunderchickn View Post
    If you're having fun on the Captain, then level him up! Especially when you say your Champ is no fun. Do what's fun, you pay to play this game don't feel forced into anything!
    ...
    You also made it sound like you are flat out not interested in grouping with other players. That's fine also, but I will tell you that Captains, IMO, are about 10% as fun to solo as they are to play in groups. If you don't want to group then I would say stay away from Captains as they aren't the most fun solo class IMO. They can take a mean beating, but they aren't that fun just soloing to me.

    Hope this helps . Again, the most important thing is that you play the class you enjoy, you may be surprised that it wasn't what you thought you'd like at first and don't feel forced to enjoy any one class.
    You seemed to have missed this bit:
    Quote Originally Posted by sharpspawn View Post
    because i dont wanna get into raids/instances and not be able to DPS then switch to my fail champion
    Honestly, don't encourage this kind of player. He does intend to group, but he would actively refuse to use the captain class to its full ability, limiting himself to 1/3 of the class potential. That sort of thinking and playing--in a group--would give the class a bad name. It's an odd player who also would choose guardian only for overpower DPS and refuse to ever tank, or take minstrel for warspeech DPS and refuse to ever heal. If he wanted to solo all the time, that's his business.

    Now. If said player finds a group of players or a kinship who are totally fine with that, then it's all good. But the vast majority of cases, that just simply isn't how the class-mechanic setup works. Specific harmony and compromises are always required in group play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trilwych View Post
    ...Right.

    You're not making any sense with your contradictory question+comment there (DPS question and then "they are really fun"). Understand hybrid play a little: The reason captains are more resilient than champs is because they have other abilities besides DPS--including healing/tanking/buffs. That is the trade-off.

    No one will bring a captain into a raid to DPS at this point. Nope. If you are completely unwilling to at least off-heal and/or off-tank on a captain while in an instance, then this class absolutely is not for you. Play champion.
    Good answer. Added some rep for you. My only concern though, is that the OP stated that their champ has no survivability and he does not want to tank..... makes me a little nervous on both accounts. I would suggest he try a different class alltogether. Maybe burglar? Can DPS and with HIPS, can avoid getting killed occasionally. I'd say mini or RK, but the OP doesn't want to heal, soooo.... then there is a hunter, but that's a squishy class too, and if you can't survive on a champ.... Hmmm....which class would be good? Can't think of any that would meet all the requirements of the OP except burg, if you carry pots.

    Another suggestion, maybe the OP could find a game buddy who plays a healer and then run on the champ? Then the healer friend can heal and add some survivability? Just a thought.

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