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  1. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Lendas View Post
    So far Champ DPS > Hunter DPS. Proven by Real
    Champ Survival >>>>> Hunter Survival

    There's also that "you cant DPS if the boss 1-2 shotted you" thing.
    I just don't see how Turbine can look at the champion and hunter classes, and think they're anywhere near balanced. It's ridiculous that champions have been allowed to get anywhere near hunter dps, let alone surpass it, while at the same time, hunters have become ridiculously squishy, especially compared to champions.

    I joined a skirmish raid today that was led by a champion. After a second hunter joined, he started advertising "need dps, no more hunters". I asked him why he didn't want any more hunters, since I didn't think two hunters were over the top for a 12-man raid. He replied that he "didn't want any more squishies".

    The dps and survivability of hunters needs to be much more balanced relative to champions, and we need more content that requires ranged dps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiNdA-LoS View Post
    Hello Nostradamus.
    To back what Tindalas said here:

    Lendas, if you go the Guardian forum, you will see the best skilled and the best-geared DPS Guardians put up their parses on both dummies and 75 spider elites in the Great River. And those parses indicate that Guardians do 20-25 percent less DPS than Champions and Hunters.

    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...s-a-joke/page8
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  3. #228
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripn View Post
    I just don't see how Turbine can look at the champion and hunter classes, and think they're anywhere near balanced. It's ridiculous that champions have been allowed to get anywhere near hunter dps, let alone surpass it, while at the same time, hunters have become ridiculously squishy, especially compared to champions.

    I joined a skirmish raid today that was led by a champion. After a second hunter joined, he started advertising "need dps, no more hunters". I asked him why he didn't want any more hunters, since I didn't think two hunters were over the top for a 12-man raid. He replied that he "didn't want any more squishies".

    The dps and survivability of hunters needs to be much more balanced relative to champions, and we need more content that requires ranged dps.
    Two points, though my perspective is that of a hardcore raider and may be less applicable to you:

    1. On the relative DPS issue:

    I strongly believe that Champions (or melee DPS-ers) should have more DPS than Hunters (or ranged DPS-ers). My logic is simple: In any MMORPG game, there will always be certain encounters that favor ranged DPS, but there are almost never fights that favor melees. This means that you will take ranged DPS-ers over melee DPS-ers, even if--in the extreme scenario--melees can do 2x more DPS than ranged.

    For instance, of the 5 Orthanc wings, 3 overwhelmingly favored ranged (Lightning, Shadow, Saruman), whereas none favored melee.

    2. On the relative survivability issue:

    I raid with Champion, Burglar, and Hunter. And while Champions may be more survivable in normal instances (because you do not need to go "glass cannon" to complete normal instances and trash doesn't hit for 10k), it could be argued that Hunters have a survivability edge in T2 challenge raids since being ranged (and having an instant aggro drop) trumps whatever instant heals and bubbles the Champion possesses.
    Last edited by Miretocot; Feb 11 2013 at 12:14 PM.
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  4. #229
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    Same Hunter. v Champion DPS aspects debated here, albeit with a different focus:

    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...-v.-Marathoner
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