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  1. #1
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    Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    I liked the movies, but I admit I am not an expert on all the lore surrounding LOTR.

    What I am confused about is why the best weapons in the game are First Age or Second Age. Aren't these periods of time before the Third Age? If so, why would an weapon made a long time ago be so much better than one made recently.

    Sorry for being so confused - thanks for answering the question!
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    The world of Middle-earth as we know it is one of a world in decline. In the First Age the skills of the Elves and Dwarves were at their peak. This is a time before Morgoth, the corruption. It was an age of enlightenment, before Men walked the earth.

    The second age is more fractured. The elves had splintered, and Men were inhabiting Numenor. It was a harsher world, one in which conflict existed. Arts were lost, though some great things were still being created. This was the time when Sauron created the rings.

    And then onto the Third Age. The elves have largely gone west. The blood of man has thinned as those who survived the fall of Numenor were scattered. Even the dwarves are mere shadows of what they once were. It's a time of diminishing.
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    Here is Yula's mighty explanation. *shrug*
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    I think of it like this: In the First age you have high magic and knowledge, almost gods roaming Middle earth. They were capable of creating items of great power. That knowledge is lost for a variety of reasons over time. Thus you have the 2nd Age, and eventually the Third Age. Over ages Middle earth is regressing to be more like what we would consider to be normal - i.e. no magic. Anyway that's how I think about it.
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    I think of the magic of Middle Earth as a limited resource, like gold or silver are on our world. There is only so much magic to go around. First Age as a time when everyone was first using these resources, and they were relatively abundant compared to now. Just as now it is rarer and rarer to find big deposits of gold, over time the amount of magical resources to be found in Middle Earth has diminished and been scattered.

    At the same time I agree with those who have pointed out that people knew more back then. Its just that I also think they had more magic available to teach them as well.
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    I guess that makes sense. I also can understand that in Middle Earth "Technology" is really anchored in people's ability to make things. And over time, the skills and abilities of people making things have diminished.

    Thanks for answering my question!
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    I dont think its really that there is less magic available. Something disastrous happened when the Istari (Gandalfs race, something like angels or demigods) came to middle earth in their true full forms, which is why they now come only in avatar forms with limits on their powers like Gandalf the Grey, Rhadighast the Brown and Saruman the White. Seems the color denotes the level of limitation placed on the avatar. I believe the limitations are more self-imposed or ancient lore lost because it wasnt passed down, probably due to the many untimely deaths and abandonment of middle earth that marked the end of each age.
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    I also think that the lifespans of those living in Middle-Earth have an impact on this. In the Third Age (especially in the Realms of Men), if you want to have something crafted you might go to great-grandson of the apprentice to so-an-so who was a distant decendant of XXXX who worked in the Forges of YYYY where a ZZZZ once studied/crafted. Much of the knowledge and skill is passed generation to generation and may have degraded over time through lesser-skilled hands with shorter lifespans to enrich their work.

    In the First Age, the master craftsmen were alive and had a much longer timeframe to develop their skill. They could also work and learn from those who took part in the creation of the world. As the timeline continued, more and more of these "resources" left Middle-Earth through death or boat and the lifespans of those remaining shortened such that they could never reach the skill-level of those in previous ages.
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    Quote Originally Posted by robnkarla View Post
    As the timeline continued, more and more of these "resources" left Middle-Earth through death or boat and the lifespans of those remaining shortened such that they could never reach the skill-level of those in previous ages.
    Thats an interesting way to put it. I agree thats a big part of the equation. Part of my thought is that something else has been happening in the world, a diminishment of magic. This sentiment is echoed in the words of Treebeard, at the end of the trilogy when he meets Celeborn and Galadriel again:

    "It is sad that we should meet only thus at the ending. For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air. I do not think we shall meet again."

    Obviously several factors are involved in these changes, and not all of them causal. For instance, the coming of men in and of itself probably didn't suck magic away from the world. The departure of the elves most certainly did, however.
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    Quote Originally Posted by Lunal View Post
    Obviously several factors are involved in these changes, and not all of them causal. For instance, the coming of men in and of itself probably didn't suck magic away from the world. The departure of the elves most certainly did, however.
    Just another reason to dislike the Elves LOL
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    Re: Stupid question about FA/SA/TA

    tolkien's world is one of myth. typically in mythologies, there is a sense that the world is in decline.

 

 

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