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    who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Hello Ive been recently playing a warden hes lvl 25 and Ive been wondering about a captain for a few days. I see they get heavy armor, heals, & buffs. So I was wondering if a captain could out survive a warden? Solo of course.

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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    I have raised both to 65--- honestly, I am not 100% sure!! I am inclined to say the warden's survivability may be slightly better.. both are amazing and loads of fun-- but VERY different play styles!
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    yeh right now Im having a hard time deciding between the two

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    Warden, imo....
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    At level cap, warden. Prior to ~56(conviction), I would say captain.

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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse32100 View Post
    At level cap, warden. Prior to ~56(conviction), I would say captain.
    Really? I can't even kill lieutenants in skirmish waves at 54 with all teal gear...my captain feels like a wet napkin that hits about as hard as a limp noodle.

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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadacross View Post
    Hello Ive been recently playing a warden hes lvl 25 and Ive been wondering about a captain for a few days. I see they get heavy armor, heals, & buffs. So I was wondering if a captain could out survive a warden? Solo of course.
    Warden for sure. Certainly at end game. Better tanking ability, conviction, more base morale. Captain has very good survivability, but lacks a reliable self heal, and does dps like a wet noodle hitting a bag of laundry.
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    alright cool thanks alot everyone! Ill stick with my warden, hes fun anyways and those HoTs have saved me alot. I just wish I didnt get careless and cocky at lvl 19. I really wanted that Undying title lol Im only lvl 25 but its not worth a remake to get.

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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    warden, in my opinion, hands down.
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    I'd have to say Wardens as well - and definitely if there are more then 2 mobs. Now, on a single hard-hitting mob it is possible that a Captain could at least be close if not slightly above due to the increase in morale regen, mark, and various heals depending on the trait line.

    The main difference I see is that Captains have good oh-&%#$ buttons while Wardens have to plan ahead better.

    But having leveled both to almost the cap (my captain is still 62) I will say I've survived more things I thought I couldn't on my Warden then I have on my Captain.
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    I love my captain and he is definitely tough. In a fellowship his utility is second to none. But nobody beats a well played warden for survivability, particularly solo.
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    good gamer beats ****** gamer - no matter the classes or the game or stuff..

    Though i would say that warden has tools that captain doesn't have as captain have tools that warden doesn't have. Best team -> captain/warden team beats the game
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Quote Originally Posted by vandyr View Post
    Really? I can't even kill lieutenants in skirmish waves at 54 with all teal gear...my captain feels like a wet napkin that hits about as hard as a limp noodle.
    Really? I just don't see this. My cappy is only 46 but destroys skirmishes, even at tier 2.

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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    My main is a cappy, and my (soon to be) main alt is a warden. I would say warden has much better survivability until you run out of power. Then its the cappy.

    But seriously, solo, captain probably wins. Hits hard, has better mitigation, etc. But for multimob pulls, easily, easily the warden. Stack a couple morale leeches, a couple heals, use shield mastery to cap your b/p/e, I've survived some ridiculous things. My captain has better group utility, but man can my warden solo.

    And btw, @ Apocalypse, I'm 99% sure that conviction is 58, not 56. The only reason I say that is my warden does not have conviction yet, and he's 56. I'm anxiously awaiting conviction.

    The 56 skill is desolation. Which I like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaHawk View Post
    Really? I just don't see this. My cappy is only 46 but destroys skirmishes, even at tier 2.
    I agree: because captains were allowed to use their fellowship buffs and heals on the soldiers, skirmishes are ideal for captains.
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Depends on how many heal pulses the warden's traited for. If it's the standard 2, they're probably pretty close. But a shield spec'd warden with capstone will far outstrip captain survivability in any solo situation.

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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Quote Originally Posted by MorningStarSE View Post
    Best team -> captain/warden team beats the game

    i LOVE grouping with a warden. and the one i play with the most absolutely loves the +600 ICPR i can give him.

    our skills really compliment each other
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    My cappy is only a 10 and my bank alt so I can only comment on the warden. Wardens have soooo many healing gambits that can be adapted for just about any situation. I rarely die now, outside to the moors. Conviction (lvl 58) for kiting, Resoration (lvl 46) and celebration of skill (lvl 37) for single boss, and Fist gambit heals for >3 mobs. Wardens have to watch for spike damage and stuns. Early on I really sucked until I hit about 41 then realized i can survive encounters by using my HOTs more often (i played like a champ), so the person behind the Cappy or Warden makes a huge difference. I think nothing of going afk against mobs to top off my drink, let the dog out, or answer the wife's honey do request. Something I could never do on my Mini/Burg/LM.
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Quote Originally Posted by vandyr View Post
    Really? I can't even kill lieutenants in skirmish waves at 54 with all teal gear...my captain feels like a wet napkin that hits about as hard as a limp noodle.
    At 65 it is fun to run them and I kill even the elites without a soldier or herald with just HoH setup with the self heal. Captain does fine on survivability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamantiumdragon View Post
    At 65 it is fun to run them and I kill even the elites without a soldier or herald with just HoH setup with the self heal. Captain does fine on survivability.
    I did change some stats and traits around and had a much better showing the second time around, although I feel my ttk is absolutely horrid compared to how it used to be. But I will concede that my captain isn't nearly as squishy as I first thought him to be, with a little adjusting.

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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Quote Originally Posted by redviolin06 View Post
    My main is a cappy, and my (soon to be) main alt is a warden. I would say warden has much better survivability until you run out of power. Then its the cappy.

    But seriously, solo, captain probably wins. Hits hard, has better mitigation, etc. But for multimob pulls, easily, easily the warden. Stack a couple morale leeches, a couple heals, use shield mastery to cap your b/p/e, I've survived some ridiculous things. My captain has better group utility, but man can my warden solo.

    And btw, @ Apocalypse, I'm 99% sure that conviction is 58, not 56. The only reason I say that is my warden does not have conviction yet, and he's 56. I'm anxiously awaiting conviction.

    The 56 skill is desolation. Which I like.
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    Seriously a top-geared warden can take down ANY single boss mob given enough time. 10-pull on level normals? No prob. 50k elite master? Again, no prob. It's called dbd surfing where you can alternate generating power and morale ad infinitum. I forget what level you get Dark Before Dawn but it is after level 50 I am pretty sure. Also warden dps traited puts out a lot more hurt than capt dps traited IMHO.

    Don't get me wrong, they are the two most survivable classes, and my two favorite classes, and are pretty much tied for everything while levelling. It is just that warden survivability at end-game is so far ahead of everything else it is just laughable.
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Oh, I wouldn't wholly disagree with you on your points. My warden is shield traited, so I definitely understand the survivability, and have had Dark Before Dawn for awhile now. I know about morale surfing. I think I was just generally talking about speediness of encounter for typical soloing. Quest, go kill 20 orcboars, return, etc.

    I also admit my warden is not well geared. He's me fourth character going through Moria, and I don't really have the patience to tweak my alts, so I have a mix of good quest reward gear and stuff that desperately needs to be replaced, but I'm too lazy to replace myself. As a result I suck power a lot, which is frustrating. Only have about 1,000 icpr in conservation. (What is an ideal icpr to have end game, btw?) But I'll fix all that once I get towards end game.

    And part of my skew is, like you said in your post, I'm levelling. My warden anyway. He's no where near any sort of end game gear build.

    For an Elite? I'd much rather be on my warden. The dependence on crit for self heals is too shaky for me on my cappy.

    What's really a shock is going from my warden to my hunter, whose 55, so close to the same level. Talk about squishy.
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Hey guys, been lurkin you cappies for a little while now..first post over here.

    Im an original warden... played since MoM release day, had a few other toons but only the cappy has made the treck to 65...after 9 months at 35 as a crafter.

    I love both now but again im goin a complete hands down warden wins. cappy HoH warden spear spec might bring it a little closer but i think unless the cappy got mega crit lucky the ward would survive longest.

    To the guy askin bout icpr mine on warden spear specced is bout 1300-1400 and shield specced 1600+...hit well into the 17's when with a cappy.

    And guys of the cappy forums..cheer up the cappy is a good solid support class that i get into groups a heap easier than on my warden.

    Oh one question the trait that makes time of need reset all on defeat skills...does that reset the insta res too?? CoV i think it is
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    Re: who has better survivability a captain or warden?

    Quote Originally Posted by redviolin06 View Post
    Oh, I wouldn't wholly disagree with you on your points. My warden is shield traited, so I definitely understand the survivability, and have had Dark Before Dawn for awhile now. I know about morale surfing. I think I was just generally talking about speediness of encounter for typical soloing. Quest, go kill 20 orcboars, return, etc.

    I also admit my warden is not well geared. He's me fourth character going through Moria, and I don't really have the patience to tweak my alts, so I have a mix of good quest reward gear and stuff that desperately needs to be replaced, but I'm too lazy to replace myself. As a result I suck power a lot, which is frustrating. Only have about 1,000 icpr in conservation. (What is an ideal icpr to have end game, btw?) But I'll fix all that once I get towards end game.

    And part of my skew is, like you said in your post, I'm levelling. My warden anyway. He's no where near any sort of end game gear build.

    For an Elite? I'd much rather be on my warden. The dependence on crit for self heals is too shaky for me on my cappy.

    What's really a shock is going from my warden to my hunter, whose 55, so close to the same level. Talk about squishy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treadly View Post
    Oh one question the trait that makes time of need reset all on defeat skills...does that reset the insta res too?? CoV i think it is
    Yes. With Composure slotted, Time of Need resets Cry of Vengeance.
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