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    Guardian Stats

    I've got a level 27 guardian that I am leveling mostly solo. I've been looking for threads that go over what stats are good for guardians but I'm just not finding much that is helpful.

    Can anyone point me to a good, up-to-date thread or resource, or give me a quick run down of what stats to focus on.

    Might seems good for mitigating damage.
    Agility good for parry and evade.
    Vitality for morale and damage mitigation.
    Fate for in-combat regen.

    How important is tactical crit?

    Thanks!

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    Re: Guardian Stats

    I'll let some of my more experienced colleagues go over your question in more detail. However, I can tell you fairly definitively that tactical crit is not important at all for you because guards aren't generally dealing in tactical damage.

    I like to focus on vitality and might, and throw a bone to agility now and then. This is because for the most part I play as an axe/board guardian and I'm concerned about getting lots of block responses and having a large morale pool.

    Your main DPS line, however, is in the parry line and so agility is good for this, as well as contributing to your other mitigations (as you stated, parry and evade).

    Others I'm sure will have more thorough insight.
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    Re: Guardian Stats

    All our taunts are tactical skills and they can crit. That said a guard who builds for tac crit will not be effective. Most guards build for Vit/might/agil and for melee mitigation (mainly with specific occasions for tactical or ranged mit). You also want to get your avoidances as high as you can.

    Melee crit has it's place in an OP build as well as in a Litany Master build as well, but tac crit is not something you should really ever look for.
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    Re: Guardian Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Azerog View Post
    All our taunts are tactical skills and they can crit. That said a guard who builds for tac crit will not be effective. Most guards build for Vit/might/agil and for melee mitigation (mainly with specific occasions for tactical or ranged mit). You also want to get your avoidances as high as you can.

    Melee crit has it's place in an OP build as well as in a Litany Master build as well, but tac crit is not something you should really ever look for.
    This is new to me. What is the benefit if FtE crits, or shield taunt? Does a crit affect additional targets above the norm? Without it doing damage, what other benefit might this offer?
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    Re: Guardian Stats

    It's just a MINIMAL amount of threat more. No more targets. No other benefit. Definitely nothing to build towards.
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    Re: Guardian Stats

    * asterisks indicate values that were true in MoM and are assumed to be still true

    • Might
      1 = 1 parry rating *
      3 ~ 1 partial parry rating *
      1 = 2 block rating *
      3 ~ 2 partial block rating *
      1 = 10 melee offense rating (class dependent)
      1 = 1 common mitigation rating *
    • Agility
      1 = 2 evade rating *
      3 ~ 2 partial evade rating *
      1 = 1 parry rating *
      3 ~ 1 partial parry rating *
      1 = 2 melee/ranged crit rating *
      1 = ? ranged offense rating (class dependent - it's 10 for hunters... I'd guess 3 or 4 for guards)
    • Vitality
      1 = 5 morale (class dependent)
      1 ~ 7 MOC *
      1 = 1 acid/fire/frost/lightening/shadow mitigation rating *
      1 = 2 wound/disease/poison resist rating *
    • Will
      1 = 3 power
      1 ~ 12 POC *
      1 = ? outgoing healing rating (class dependent)
      1 = ? tactical offense rating (class dependent)
      1 = 2 fear resist rating *
    • Fate
      1 = 2 tactical crit rating *
      2 = 3 MIC
      30*SQRT(Fate) = 1 PIC detail
    • Armour
      1 = 1 common mitigation rating *
      5 = 1 acid/fire/frost/lightening/shadow mitigation rating *
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    Re: Guardian Stats

    Interesting set of numbers.

    How were these numbers obtained, developed and verified? How are they tested or validated when patches are released?

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    Re: Guardian Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryzinkta View Post
    Interesting set of numbers.

    How were these numbers obtained, developed and verified? How are they tested or validated when patches are released?
    Most of them are pretty easy to see. Add stat, check related ratings... add more, check again. Ones like PIC from fate are a bit more complex. On that one in particular, I'm trusting LagunaD's formula from the thread I referenced. He's been extremely reliable in the past at coming up w/ solid formulas, so I'm confident in that.

    As far as testing/validation with updates, as I noted w/ the asterisks, most of those I haven't bothered to recheck since SoM came out. If I see someone post info that something changed, I'll look into it, but for the most part, these things are pretty static. Obviously, there are several new stats, mostly the class dependent ones that we didn't have in MoM, so stuff like that has to be looked into when it comes out. And as you can see, I haven't bothered getting some of the ones that don't have too much bearing on the classes I play.
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    Re: Guardian Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Azerog View Post
    It's just a MINIMAL amount of threat more. No more targets. No other benefit. Definitely nothing to build towards.
    That it gives a minimal amount of threat is something that we really can't say as we can't exactly see the effects of taunts in real numbers. While I am one of the few who might advocate throwing a little extra to fate to get a bit more tactical crit on top of the icmr and icpr benefits, I would not exclusively build for tactical critical rating. Though I doubt it, maybe one day they'll release the actual stats and effects of different taunts on mobs. Until then you've gotta stick with what appears to work well for building threat--i.e. experience is the best proof.
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    Re: Guardian Stats

    wow, thanks for those stats, very helpful.
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