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  1. #26

    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    *** are you guys complaining about? the lights are so fun. i wish there were more of them.
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by cspartano1978 View Post
    now, if all the trash were like the gauntlet, that will be much more fun. E.g. after you finish boss 1, you do a second "push"/beachhead just like the gauntlet until you reach boss 2. And the same with the trash between boss 2 and 3
    yeah when i first tried the raid i thought it would be cool if gauntlet was saved until just before LT... final push before the end.

    its a nice dynamic rush and agree it doesn't take long.
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Southpa View Post

    More skirmishes!!!

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    Yes but if they put in more raid skirmishes -- that doesn't limit the creativity they can throw in to the boss fights. A raid skirmish is literally like a lair raid that has trash leading up to it -- they end in one boss fight that many times is more interesting in a raid than the solo version (take Thievery and Mischief).

    HOWEVER this gives you +190% more marks (after the 3.1 update to rewards) that can be turned in for?????? not a whole lot.

    Again it comes down to having the infrastructure in place to have good itemization and just failing to do it!!!! Mind boggling -- truly.

  4. #29

    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    I have far far more fun doing the trash then I do with the DPS race bosses.

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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by IGolbezI View Post
    *** are you guys complaining about? the lights are so fun. i wish there were more of them.
    Yeah! All the trash in this instance should be composed by Guldur Lights....

    NOT!

    I am not sure which designer think it's fun to do trash pulls. It's just not fun.

    If you count the whole instance i bet we have about 75% of the time as clearing trash.

    I find the boss fights to be entretening, but the trash makes me want to pull the internet cord out of the wall and fake a disconnetion so i can come back later when everything is cleared.

    Hum... I should not have said this in the forums since my raid leader reads them...
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by IGolbezI View Post
    *** are you guys complaining about? the lights are so fun. i wish there were more of them.
    Its a huge ball of brainless grieving timesink, not sure how anyone enjoys killing them. hoping im just missing sarcasm here.

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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by laughterkillsme View Post
    I have far far more fun doing the trash then I do with the DPS race bosses.
    Durchest HM is a DPS race?

    I'll give you the Twins and Lt. though.
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by IGolbezI View Post
    *** are you guys complaining about? the lights are so fun. i wish there were more of them.

    You mean like the DrownHolt lights? That would be awsome! Target the Sorc bob the Grd is targetting!...Oh ****..it's not really a sorc...it's a light... *repeat infinitum*

    I actually think that would be an awsome and less blatant way to stall progression than the current method.


  9. #34

    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by gskgsadz View Post
    hoping im just missing sarcasm here.
    umm..only slightly
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    The trash is the worst part of an already boring instance. Its obvious that as others have said,its only there to stretch out the time in the instance. That on top of respawning mobs are just cheap mechanics to lengthen a weak raid. I'm a huge fan of the armour dudes who like to blow up melee when they die;its always encouraging to see the love for melee classes.

    Another brilliant design is having us walk all the way from the beginning of the instance to the LT after every wipe. Why not force us to click something to activate that fight so we could still have a mini rez people instead of the whole raid having to retreat and make that walk of shame?

    Thankfully theres no gauntlet between bosses 2-3 because I would never bother making that trek back up.

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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruination44 View Post
    Another brilliant design is having us walk all the way from the beginning of the instance to the LT after every wipe. Why not force us to click something to activate that fight so we could still have a mini rez people instead of the whole raid having to retreat and make that walk of shame?
    The whole raid doesn't have to make the whole run up. If the raid wipes, one mins can run up and res everyone. The fight only starts if the entire raid is in the room but a mins should be able to res at least one person who isn't too far from the door. Then, have that person stand outside of the room and the mins goes to res the others.

    Or, alternatively, when it looks like a wipe have a mins FD by the door and tell everyone to die fast. Then, the mins can run out the door (potentially training Morfaers away if getting agro). They're slow and they'll despawn before killing the mins if the mins is careful to avoid the AoE.

    Or, when the wipe is happening, have someone who can res cast a res on someone else who can res. Don't take the res til everyone is dead and the morfaers have despawned. Then accept it and res the raid. This is actually safer b/c a flopped mins can still get hit by a roaming morfaer AoE.

    Plenty of options to avoid having everyone run back up the entire zone.

    But, I agree with the suggestion that folks should respawn closer to the actual fight. For those cases of an uncontrolled wipe where a res'r actually does have to run all the way up the zone, it takes way too long.
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hnetto View Post
    I used to like Rift trash. There was alot of it but it wasn't boring as the current one is. Not to mention it was much faster to do.
    The biggest reason the rift trash was great was because most of it was AT THE BEGINNING. Once you got past boss 2, the "trash" was 15 minutes TOPS to the next boss, normally it was a lot less.

    People understand the concept of trash. But when it takes 1 hour of perfect (maybe 45 minutes for an efficient group) pulls THEN you learn the boss. No thanks.

    If they leave the gauntlet (its fun and has a bit of a rush), and then reduce the pulls/trash by half from 1-2 and 2-3, then this instance would get better reviews from the public (i think at least).
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by musicman2000 View Post
    HOWEVER this gives you +190% more marks (after the 3.1 update to rewards) that can be turned in for?????? not a whole lot.
    For empowerment scrolls noob, so we can upgrade out leet LIs. You know, the most inventive concept of this entire game that was "originally" - unoriginal by making it into another grind thats worse to do than stabbing your eye with a rusty spoon.

    Get with the picture, bub.
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Bottom line is that they are not putting out enough content right now to keep the raiding community interested, so they soak you in trash mobs to make the raid take forever. The more time you sink into BG, the less time you spend actually considering ther firghtful lack of new content.

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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by nikito View Post
    For empowerment scrolls noob, so we can upgrade out leet LIs. You know, the most inventive concept of this entire game that was "originally" - unoriginal by making it into another grind thats worse to do than stabbing your eye with a rusty spoon.

    Get with the picture, bub.
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy View Post
    Remember when a new book meant Annuminas, or Forochel?
    Man....that's like getting broccoli in the morning every day for a month, then hearing, "Remember when breakfast meant bacon, or French toast?"
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solien View Post
    Man....that's like getting broccoli in the morning every day for a month, then hearing, "Remember when breakfast meant bacon, or French toast?"
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    The gauntlet part in the beginning is pretty good, especially cause you kinda have to push your way to the first boss. But after that its time to start drinking stuff with caffeine. It turns into a long drawn out process of pull after pull of the same enemies over and over and over and over and over and.... whoops sorry was getting repetitive just like BG gets. But at least there are good rewards for the looooooooong amount of time in there , right? Oops im dreaming again, must have dosed off during a BG raid.......
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    I dislike the time it takes to clear the trash mobs too. I keep thinking if in a few key places they took out one or two mobs, that would improve things significantly. The trash would still slow you down, but not too much. It would kind of be nice for the trash to have quests associated with them (repeatable quests) where you could pick a nice reward. Similar to the mushroom collecting in the Rift, or even the Helegrod quests.

    One other thing. I am not sure about other groups, but it seems to me more folks I run with die a lot more on the trash mobs than the bosses. Usually the result of a resist in key places.

    And speaking as a minstrel... yeah, it's only the minstrel that has to run back and rez, but darn it, that means I don't get those nice little AFKs like everyone else

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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    I don't mind the trash mobs personally. At least they're somewhat challenging. If too many mistakes are made a wipe can ensue. Maybe that's the nub of most of the complaints.

    I think if it were short and easy, people would complain. I, for one, am happy that BG requires some effort. I think that people that get angry about that might want to try something other than raiding, because if you don't like to raid for raiding's sake, then NO raid will ever satisfy you. Thinking otherwise is kidding yourself.

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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    something i have found with BG trash is due to its nature clearing doesnt really become significantly faster over time imo.

    ok we see increase in gauntlet for sure due to improved timing with spawns etc, but the rest of the trash its similar speed week to week which wears thin.

    yes gains are seen with increased radiance but just compared to previous raids its slow.

    i think if i had never done a lotro raid BG trash wouldnt seem so contrived and yawnsome.

    for better or worse, even with a lot of experience and good gear we can't just charge in and aoe down BG trash so i don't see people doing 70minute speed runs like we saw with DN lol.

    of course DN had the issue of large chunk of skippable trash which was not WAI... how long would it have taken if we killed every mob every time.
    So i think as far as devs concerned we brought this on ourselves... the design of BG trash is an attempt to curb emergent behavior... ie players finding shortcuts.

    They don't want players to find shortcuts or alternative strategies for the most part... if something is meant to take 12 players 1hr to accomplish... devs don't want to see 8players pulling it off in 30mins.
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    I agree with the large number of these posts and threads concerning the sadness that is bg. The loot is hardly worth the effort week to week, and I've seen all the chests numerous times, but I don't see that as the main problem. As previously stated, the adds simply mask the lack of content with SoM.

    If you simply look back at MoM just at launch, we got 7 6-mans, and 1 12-man raid (and later got 2 more 12 mans and the 3 mans). We also got book 15, plus all the initial volume 2 books (1-6 I believe). There were drastic changes to the trait system, the combat system, the legendary weapon system, a new craft tier, a huge new map (with 11 zones inc eregion and loth), etc.

    We're now about 4 months into SoM, and we have 1 6-man, 3 3-mans, and bg. The combat system has been changed again, but where else has Turbine spent its time? While it scares me, I think they hedged their bets on skirmishes (a total of 13 now), which I won't discuss in length here. There are 3 new books (if you count the epilogue), and one new map (which I guess you could break down into a few distinct zones, but turbine doesn't). There are very few jewelry changes and absolutely no armor updates (apart from the 25 and 30 rad sets, which in general are not as good as the DN or even VM armor sets for stats or bonuses).

    After doing all of the content in SoM, I'd be willing to guess that there is easily less than 20% content with SoM as compared to SoA. I'll say it now, I don't care about revamps to the LL, ered luin, whatever, or largely the skirmishes.

    I've beaten LT HM 1.0 and now 2.0, not to brag, but I'm just trying to point out that there is little else to keep me around, except for the premise of new content. In retrospect, however, if that premise degrades like SoM, few of the old-timers will be staying around long.

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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by KainXI View Post
    Durchest HM is a DPS race?

    I'll give you the Twins and Lt. though.
    LT Hm is a dps race? .....actually its a control fight, you cant slam tons of dps into him because you will have no power. Take it slow and pay attention to eyes, run from bird or get away from your group when you have to, no need for a fast burn at all.
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    even the first time some of the pulls between 1 & 2 and 2 & 3 were annoying. Not for difficulty but for the deja vu factor.
    In our kin runs we typically have a few new people since so many of our raiders have or are quitting no longer showing so we explain each pull before it happens. Its turned into something of a joke the number of times we say and this next pull.. exactly the same as the one we just did. Same 1-2 mobs and we'll be tanking them in the same spots with healers and ranged standing on the same banner.

    Whoever decided to give us a 150k ball of light that stuns and fears if you don't line of sight followed by you guessed it another 150k ball of light that stuns and fears if you don't line of sight followed by an armour followed by another 150k ball of light that stuns and fears if you don't line of sight.. drool
    Sorry for the run on sentence but that conveys my impression of BG trash from 1-3. They had a few good mobs then decided it was too short so had us do it in triplicate before getting to the next boss.

    Compared to Dar Narbagund i'd say its the equivalent of having us fight one of the giant fumeroles between every pull followed by 2 sequential double fumerole pulls followed by 2 identical goblin/troll pulls. Nothing particularly difficult here but lots and lots of morale to burn through.

    I will say it has made our runs harder usually after clearing the ~40 -60 minutes of trash between the bosses at least a couple people are falling asleep and a couple others have imbibed a few to many drinks with our fbf drinking game and so we may be prone to miskey.

    So bg trash tiresome yes yes yes and not in that big O way.
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    Re: Anyone getting tired of BG trash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jilla View Post
    I keep thinking if in a few key places they took out one or two mobs, that would improve things significantly.
    Remove every single single-pull armor from the instance except the first lightning add past the twins, though change him to a Storm-Sword (need to have a storm-sword for people to play around with alone). Cut the number of lights to two. Remove two wights from each group (Ie -6 total). By doing that, the content isn't trivialized, but a significant improvement is made to the enjoyability of the instance.

 

 
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