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  1. #976
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Josiah


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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Josiah:

    Elendil.
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Josiah:

    Elendil.
    Nope. Not Elendil
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  4. #979

    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    I was thinking Valandil personally; dad who goes bad and gives way to a child king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulkfather View Post
    I was thinking Valandil personally; dad who goes bad and gives way to a child king.
    Not Valandil either. Isildur never really went "bad", from what I recall. All he did was keep the Ring, an evil deed, certainly, but nothing truly vile beyond that.
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Tar Palantir then?

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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mulkfather View Post
    Tar Palantir then?
    There we go.


    Tar-Palantir repented of the evil deeds of his fathers, like Josiah did of his father's deeds, but in both cases the repentance didn't change the ultimate fate of the kingdom. Númenor was utterly destroyed besides some small survivors after the reign of the evil/disobedient Ar-Pharazôn and Israel (or, rather, Judah) fell after the reign of the evil/disobedient Zedekiah.
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    yeah, one good king wasn't enough to salvage a people who had forsaken the right way and gotten onto a dark path.

    Lessee...

    Wisdom

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    Wisdom:

    Saruman speaking to Gandalf in Orthanc:

    "I did not expect you to show wisdom, even in your own behalf; but I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly. and so saving yourself much trouble and pain. The third choice is to stay here, until the end."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulkfather View Post
    yeah, one good king wasn't enough to salvage a people who had forsaken the right way and gotten onto a dark path.

    Lessee...

    Wisdom
    Nom, the name given to Finrod Felagund by the first Men to enter Beleriand when he discovered them and remained for a time to teach them many things.

    Not to be confused with Nom Nom, which is what the werewolves said when they ate Finrod's companions in the dungeons of Tol-in-Gaurhoth.

    I absolutely love Finrod. He was such a bada$$ that when the wolf finally came for him, Finrod broke his chains and slew it with his hands and teeth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Nom, the name given to Finrod Felagund by the first Men to enter Beleriand when he discovered them and remained for a time to teach them many things.

    Not to be confused with Nom Nom, which is what the werewolves said when they ate Finrod's companions in the dungeons of Tol-in-Gaurhoth.

    I absolutely love Finrod. He was such a bada$$ that when the wolf finally came for him, Finrod broke his chains and slew it with his hands and teeth.
    smack dab on the button. He's one of my favorites too, up there with Fingolfin. you're up.

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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Thank you. Here is the next one:

    Bible-book.

    This is one of those two part riddles in which the first clue points to an intermediate answer that is not grounded in JRRT lore. This intermediate answer is itself a clue that points directly to the final JRRT-lore solution.
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Quote Originally Posted by Vilnas View Post
    Thank you. Here is the next one:

    Bible-book.

    This is one of those two part riddles in which the first clue points to an intermediate answer that is not grounded in JRRT lore. This intermediate answer is itself a clue that points directly to the final JRRT-lore solution.
    Gonna take the route:


    Bible-book -> Revelation -> Dagor Dagorath
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylux14 View Post
    Gonna take the route:


    Bible-book -> Revelation -> Dagor Dagorath
    That is a very good answer, and you are certainly on the right track with it. However, I will say that the "correct" answer is superior because the name of the book I am thinking of actually appears in the text (although it is not itself the answer, this being a two part process).

    Perhaps more compelling from your perspective is this - I do not believe that the Dagor Dagorath is canon in the sense of being mentioned in The Hobbit, LotR or The Silmarillion. Consquently, I am not permitted by the parameters of our riddle game to design a question with that as the answer.
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Bible-book --> Lamentations --> Grief at the death of the sacred Trees of Valinor; Telperion and Laurelin

    Then Yavanna arose and stood upon Ezellohar, the Green Mound, but it was bare now and black; and she laid her hands upon the Trees, but they were dead and dark, and each branch that she touched broke and fell lifeless at her feet. Then many voices were lifted in lamentation; and it seemed to those that mourned that they had drained to the dregs the cup of woe that Melkor had filled for them.But it was not so.
    Edit: after reading a bit more I may have a better answer;

    Bible-book --> Lamentations --> The year of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. (Translation: Year of Lamentations)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Bible-book --> Lamentations --> Grief at the death of the sacred Trees of Valinor; Telperion and Laurelin



    Edit: after reading a bit more I may have a better answer;

    Bible-book --> Lamentations --> The year of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. (Translation: Year of Lamentations)
    Hrm. That is another very good answer, and I am struggling mightily to disqualify it. I am going to say no to the Nirnaeth Anoediad because I believe the exact translation is Tears Unnumbered, rather than Lamentations, and I did clarify the question in my previous post by saying the title of the Bible book in question appears in the text.

    I am not sure I can disqualify your first answer, because you did find a passage where lamentation is in the text. I guess I am going to be extremely nitpicky and say that you need two appearances of the word "lamentation" because the title of the Bible chapter you are using is the plural form with the 's' on the end.

    I suspect you can find at least one more if you were to re-read the entire canon carefully. Alternatively, would you grant me pardon and try again? As you know I dislike doing the "guess the specific answer I am thinking of" game, so if you do produce another "lamentation" I will certainly accept it.

    My intended answer is also in the plural form, and I had already decided in my mind that an acceptable answer must include both instances where the thing referenced is in the text. Because of that I don't feel 100% wretched about sending you back to try again on the lamentation answer (only about 94%).

    Because the responses so far have been so good, I will go further and say the answers are in The Hobbit.
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Just to reiterate what I think you have given us so far:

    1-The interim answer and the final answer both appear in The Hobbit.
    2-The final answer is in the plural form.
    3-The interim answer is neither Revelation nor Lamentations.
    4-The final answer appears twice in the text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Just to reiterate what I think you have given us so far:

    1-The interim answer and the final answer both appear in The Hobbit.
    2-The final answer is in the plural form.
    3-The interim answer is neither Revelation nor Lamentations.
    4-The final answer appears twice in the text.
    Very close. The name of the Bible book I am using as the interim answer appears twice in The Hobbit, in singular form in each instance. However, it is not a good characterization to say that the final answer is also in plural form. You will understand what I mean by that when you guess it. Once you identify the correct Bible book title in The Hobbit, you must tell me the two things in The Hobbit that the book title refers to.

    The book title itself is not "lore" enough to be a stand alone answer, hence the two step riddle. However, I do think that the book title is distinctive enough in its usage in Tolkien's works that it lends itself to our trivia guidelines. For example, I don't think Exodus would be a good clue, because there are too many occurrences in the JRRT texts of whole peoples leaving or being driven out of their homelands. Similarly with Kings - there are just way too many of them to be a good riddle. I feel that Lamentations is probably somewhere in the middle.
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Aha!

    Bible-book --> Proverbs -->

    These two passages:

    1. "Escaping goblins to be caught by wolves!" he said, and it became a proverb, though we now say 'out of the frying-pan into the fire' in the same sort of uncomfortable situations. (Bilbo, just before he, Gandalf and the dwarves tried to escape wolves by scrambling up a tree.)

    2. "Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!" he said to himself, and it became a favourite saying of his later, and passed into a proverb. (Bilbo again, after taunting Smaug after their conversation in the tunnel from Smaug's lair to the secret door.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Aha!

    Bible-book --> Proverbs -->

    These two passages:

    1. "Escaping goblins to be caught by wolves!" he said, and it became a proverb, though we now say 'out of the frying-pan into the fire' in the same sort of uncomfortable situations. (Bilbo, just before he, Gandalf and the dwarves tried to escape wolves by scrambling up a tree.)

    2. "Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!" he said to himself, and it became a favourite saying of his later, and passed into a proverb. (Bilbo again, after taunting Smaug after their conversation in the tunnel from Smaug's lair to the secret door.)
    Exactly so. Well done!
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    That was a great one Vilnas!
    Thanks very much.


    The next one is another two-step.

    Format:

    One-word --> word, words, or phrase --> something from the Tolkien cannon

    Shakespeare
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    It's been two days. Time for a hint.

    Both Shakespeare and Tolkien begin famous rhymes with almost the same exact words.

    Tolkien uses one extra word and changes one letter in another.
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Since I'm heading off for a vacation tomorrow I thought I would drop a clue on this one.

    The Merchant of Venice

    The Fellowship of the Ring
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    Re: One-word Tolkien Trivia

    Another clue: Strider is the subject of Tolkien's rhyme. A coffin is the subject of Shakespeare's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boraxxe View Post
    Another clue: Strider is the subject of Tolkien's rhyme. A coffin is the subject of Shakespeare's.
    I'm sorry my friend, my Shakespeare is about two decades too dusty.
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