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  1. #126

    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    They should work on devastating criticals since they are after all just bigger critical hits. If they don't it's a bug and should be reported...and fixed.

    They don't work on auto attacks because they're not supposed to work on them. They are for Induction and Focus skills only. It's right there in the name.

    Tangent: I have Champ Legacy Envy. They have one legacy that makes every single critical hit bigger and it's a 50% increase instead of 25%. Graal...go tweak our two sub standard legacies in to one awesome one that works on everything please.
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  2. #127
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    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Alright. Point taken!

    Of course they shouldn't work on auto attacks... It was more related to devastating hits, just tried to make it sound even more dramatic...

  3. #128

    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Also note that the legacies are +focus/induction crit MULTIPLIER, not magnitude. Multiplier only affects the base damage, while magnitude increases the whole thing. For example, +50% multiplier would bring the standard skill crit multiplier from 150% to 200%, while +50% magnitude would bring the standard skill crit multiplier from 150% to 225%.
    Last edited by Rdeacon; Nov 27 2009 at 11:54 AM.

  4. #129
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    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by NameAlreadyTaken View Post

    Tangent: I have Champ Legacy Envy. They have one legacy that makes every single critical hit bigger and it's a 50% increase instead of 25%. Graal...go tweak our two sub standard legacies in to one awesome one that works on everything please.
    It's a two edged sword, for me.

    Part of me wishes our + DPS legacies were effective. The other part of me is glad I can ignore them, b/c the LI system isn't at all what I wanted, and it's one less thing for me to worry about.

    I know that doesn't help the hunter cause, as well, but really... the LI system stinks like a dead woodchuck. And dead woodchucks don't chuck wood.
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  5. #130
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    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by Rdeacon View Post
    Also note that the legacies are +focus/induction crit MULTIPLIER, not magnitude. Multiplier adds to the bonus damage, magnitude increases the whole thing. For example, +50% multiplier would bring the standard skill crit multiplier from 150% to 200%, while +50% magnitude would bring the standard skill crit multiplier from 150% to 225%.

    Yes, multiplier and magnitude are separate. But I was under the impression multiplier is additive, not multiplicative (despite the name). That's b/c it's an adjustment to the 1.5 / 2.0 multipliers already in the formula for crit/dev crit. (i.e., it's 1.5 + crit multiplier. Not 1.5 * crit multiplier.)

    Given 25% crit mult, you'd have 1.75, and 2.25 if it worked on dev crits. Given 50% crit mult, you'd have 2.0, and 2.5 on devs.

    Unless this changed, in which case tell me to piss off and I gladly will.
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  6. #131

    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Yes, that's exactly how it works, and I think that's what I said.

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    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by EustaceTrevelyan View Post
    Esp since we're going to have to be trading morale for power, all things being equal, and will thus be squishier, esp w/o the ability to switch to healing. Surely this has been tested with an eye to group performance?
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  8. #133
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    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by Rdeacon View Post
    Also note that the legacies are +focus/induction crit MULTIPLIER, not magnitude. Multiplier only affects the base damage, while magnitude increases the whole thing. For example, +50% multiplier would bring the standard skill crit multiplier from 150% to 200%, while +50% magnitude would bring the standard skill crit multiplier from 150% to 225%.
    Yep, sorry, mixed that up...

  9. #134

    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Honestly shocked that everyone abandoned the Barbed Arrow, I've always used it as my main pull for the slow, to get the extra shot in, bleed, and then land the crit on my scourging blow as he gets to me.

  10. #135

    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    quick shot has a better slow, improved swift bow and PS do better damage, theres just no real room for it in a DPS rotation prior to SOM there was always a better shot avalible off cooldown. post SOM it will get applied early, and reapplied as the timer expires.
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    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Then you must have missed out on the threads where it was definitively proven that Barbed Arrow only had rare, circumstantial use.

    Sorry that you missed out all this time.
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  12. #137

    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by NameAlreadyTaken View Post
    Do you have any idea how strange it's been these last few weeks? I've done the following...

    1. Changed my shot rotation to include Barbed Arrow as early as possible for the bleed.
    2. Looked at the bleed on Barbed Arrow and said "Wow, that's nice."
    3. Pulled multiple mobs so that I could pretend I'm a Warden: Get something to 500 life then move to the next mob while my bleed kills the first.
    4. ID'd multiple level 65 3rd Age bows/crossbows and said "Damnit! No Barbed Arrow Bleed legacy again!"
    5. Slotted the Barbed Fury trait.
    6. Admitted to slotting the Barbed Fury trait.
    7. Told people that Barbed Arrow is your new best friend.

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  13. #138

    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Quote Originally Posted by rawlingsst7 View Post
    The change you have all been waiting for:

    ISB ANIMATION IS FIXED!!!

    It is just so, so beautiful to queue up ISB > PS and see a bullet-stream of arrows and a wall of yellow numbers float up over that mob 5, 6 in a row.
    I've been a bow user since open beta on my ####### and new about the animation spd difference between bow and xbow for a long time but since, I'm such a bow ####### lover I stuck with the bow, and with the animation fixed holy speed difference batman its like going form a vw bug to a porsche 911 turbo so nice.

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    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    Fighting off the purge.
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    Re: NDA Lifted :: Changes ARE positive for hunters

    I dont recall the Alamo. What is this coffee shop you speak of?
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