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    if frodo was kill and the nazgul took the ring how do they give it to sauron

    Do they summon him or does his spirit take it.
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    Re: if frodo was kill and the nazgul took the ring how do they give it to sauron

    I'd imagine they'd just ride it back to Mordor. If orcs were afraid of Sam when he was holding on to the ring, there isn't going to be much to stand in the way of the nine together with the ring in their possession.
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    Re: if frodo was kill and the nazgul took the ring how do they give it to sauron

    Quote Originally Posted by candacebohn View Post
    Do they summon him or does his spirit take it.
    They deliver it to him in the tower of Barad-dûr. Sauron had a physical form and was fully capable of putting on the Ring, as evidenced by Gollum's comment about his Black Hand with only four fingers. If he were only a spirit or a giant eye, as some people believe, the Ring wouldn't exactly have been any use to him since he couldn't wear it.
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    Re: if frodo was kill and the nazgul took the ring how do they give it to sauron

    so his dead body or was he alive

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    Re: if frodo was kill and the nazgul took the ring how do they give it to sauron

    Quote Originally Posted by candacebohn View Post
    so his dead body or was he alive
    He was alive. If you'll recall, when Aragorn and the armies of Rohan and Gondor stand before the Black Gate, they ask for the Lord of the Black Land to come forth so that justice can be done upon him. It would be hard for Sauron to come forth if:

    1. He didn't have a body.
    2. He was dead.
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    Re: if frodo was kill and the nazgul took the ring how do they give it to sauron

    So when he got defeated by Isildor he didn't blow up, he just ran away hiding for few thousand years.

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    Re: if frodo was kill and the nazgul took the ring how do they give it to sauron

    Quote Originally Posted by candacebohn View Post
    So when he got defeated by Isildor he didn't blow up, he just ran away hiding for few thousand years.
    If I remember correctly, his spirit departed his body, but by the late Third Age he had already taken form again.
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    Thumbs up Re: if frodo was kill and the nazgul took the ring how do they give it to sauron

    Ok that makes sense

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    Re: if frodo was kill and the nazgul took the ring how do they give it to sauron

    If you read the Silmarillion, you will find that Sauron despite all his power has a bad track record in regards to his form.

    His first set back was when Beren and Luthien and Huan (Celegorm’s hound) confronted Sauron and Huan put Sauron in a deathgrip between his jaws.
    Sauron shape shifted into many different forms, until finally giving up and fleeing in the form of a giant Vampire Bat.

    On the second occassion, after assuming his Fair Form as Annatar "bringer of gifts", and the sinking of the island of Numenor, it was during that sinking Sauron went down wthe island and had to give up his body and flee as a spirit.
    He lost the ability once he regained his power to ever assume any other form again, other than as a spirit (if he dies if thats what you call it) or the tall, black menacing armored look, which underneath was his default form of a large tall humanoid with "mottled black skin".

    On the third occassion (Battle of the Last Alliance) when the ring was cut from his hand, because he had put most of his own power into it, upon losing the ring, he goes back into spirit form.

    Once again, it takes time for him to regain enough power to reveal/declare himself.
    Which is why he hid in Dol Guldor near Mirkwood before returning to Barad Dur, where by that time had regained enough power to declare/reveal himself.

    Definately had enough physical form to display 9 fingers to Gollumn, when interogating him, but obviously not enough to venture outside the fortress of Barad Dur.

    Tolkien has stated that Sauron was more powerful behind the scenes...scheming, planning, influencing, i.e. what he did in Numenor and when he tried to entrapped everyone he taught the ringlore to or provided rings to just before he forged the one ring, and of course mustering all evil into a large army to assail Gondor in the 3rd age (War of the Ring).
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