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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherGab View Post
    I know, right?
    Btw Evil, what corruption build are you running? The new SoM values have thrown me off. I wanna say full damage.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDM764 View Post
    Btw Evil, what corruption build are you running? The new SoM values have thrown me off. I wanna say full damage.
    Its really not worth going full dmg any more (not that I ever liked it) since they changed how dmg corruptions work. IMO your best bet is to go either full morale (7300 morale 180 TK tic) or all morale except MfD1 and replace that with crit protect or some other trait. (6930 morale 183 TK tic + whatever bonus you get from the other trait)

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    I'm still DfP 1&2, DfH 1&2, HfP 1&2. It's quite worthless going with any other build. I find that having a defiler in my tribe groups often make crit defence quite worthless. My power drain still hits for 146, but is now affected by damage buffs, so I tend to run with the TA damage boost whenever I can, it really helps in 1v1's.

    I've never seen a reason since MoM to slot anything other than full damage for any class except defilers and raiding war-leaders.

    BIZL, how did they change damage corruptions?

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherGab View Post
    BIZL, how did they change damage corruptions?
    They don't nearly add as much dmg. You will be doing almost the same exact dmg with a full health build. The difference in one of my warg dots is like 7 or 6 even and I lose like 1.8k health. Basically I have 7.5k health as opposed to like the Pre SoM 4.5k health (dps build) and still do the same dmg. (more on some attacks)
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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by BLoNdiE View Post
    They don't nearly add as much dmg. You will be doing almost the same exact dmg with a full health build. The difference in one of my warg dots is like 7 or 6 even and I lose like 1.8k health. Basically I have 7.5k health as opposed to like the Pre SoM 4.5k health (dps build) and still do the same dmg. (more on some attacks)
    I only gain around 1.2k morale and loose around 50 damage from my TK. I'm still going Max Damage with 2 Health. Best build for 1v1, best build for small group.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherGab View Post
    I only gain around 1.2k morale and loose around 50 damage from my TK. I'm still going Max Damage with 2 Health. Best build for 1v1, best build for small group.
    Just saying from my experience on my warg. My reaver's damage also hardly changes btwn full dps/full health builds so having a full health spec is totally worth it. I don't know about weavers so ...meh if it works for you then it works for you.
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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by BLoNdiE View Post
    Just saying from my experience on my warg. My reaver's damage also hardly changes btwn full dps/full health builds so having a full health spec is totally worth it. I don't know about weavers so ...meh if it works for you then it works for you.
    My reaver is all damage at r7 and I notice a difference. So does Beatle (ignore my sig ). Max morale isn't really the way to go, especially if you have healers.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherGab View Post
    My reaver is all damage at r7 and I notice a difference. So does Beatle (ignore my sig ). Max morale isn't really the way to go, especially if you have healers.
    Pfft solo play no need for healers. Max morale is the way to go for me and anyone I know that plays well. Like I said, if it works for you and you group with a lot of healers then by all means. I notice no difference in my dmg output. Having max morale makes 2v1's a lot easier. With how OP we are now 3v1's are fun too >_>
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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherGab View Post
    My reaver is all damage at r7 and I notice a difference. So does Beatle (ignore my sig ). Max morale isn't really the way to go, especially if you have healers.
    I will STRONGLY disagree.

    I'll first point out that before SoM, both my r8 reaver and r10 warg ran full damage builds. But after SoM, you don't gain much. It's much smarter to slot morale.

    Let me explain the changes:

    Before SoM, damage corruptions were incorrectly adding 2.5% or 5% of the initial hit's damage to the DOT damage, instead of adding that percentage of the DOT's damage on. This caused dots to scale hugely with corruptions, i.e. the fire dot going from 95 per tick to 170 per tick. This is now fixed.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    I'll have to do some more testing when I'm done with my guard and champ, but for now it's just max dps

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherGab View Post
    I only gain around 1.2k morale and loose around 50 damage from my TK. I'm still going Max Damage with 2 Health. Best build for 1v1, best build for small group.
    its more about DoT's then intial damage.

    DoT's used to gain an odd amount of damage from dmg corruptions (and lose alot when traited against)

    Now, the just boosted the regular value of the DoT and made it so they are actually only effected by 5% or 10% (depending on the corruptions) rather then the inflated amount they were before.

    Basically you can gain 2000 morale as a spider and have your TK decrease less then 10dmg a tic. For 1v1's (against tact classes in particular) it is much more benifical to have the extra morale cushion to guard against big crits then it is to hit slightly harder. In MoM I went MfD12 MfP12 DfM2 and MfD2 but since SoM there is zero point in slotting DfM2, I lose somewhere close to 400 morale and my TK only goes up 2 or 3dmg a tic. Basically I would have to be in a fight lasting for more then 5 or 6 minutes before it would be worth it.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    By all means guys, continue to slot pure damage, just be aware that it's not the smartest thing to do.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by BIZL View Post
    its more about DoT's then intial damage.

    DoT's used to gain an odd amount of damage from dmg corruptions (and lose alot when traited against)

    Now, the just boosted the regular value of the DoT and made it so they are actually only effected by 5% or 10% (depending on the corruptions) rather then the inflated amount they were before.

    Basically you can gain 2000 morale as a spider and have your TK decrease less then 10dmg a tic. For 1v1's (against tact classes in particular) it is much more benifical to have the extra morale cushion to guard against big crits then it is to hit slightly harder. In MoM I went MfD12 MfP12 DfM2 and MfD2 but since SoM there is zero point in slotting DfM2, I lose somewhere close to 400 morale and my TK only goes up 2 or 3dmg a tic. Basically I would have to be in a fight lasting for more then 5 or 6 minutes before it would be worth it.

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    This is mostly why I wondered in the first place Evil I've switched to four morale, 2 damage on my spider[The 7.3kmorale/180 per tick TK]. Mostly curious as to if you had tested it and found full damage to still be most effective in 1vs1's[Which imo, it isn't anymore.] Not really playing creepside anymore, just feels too OP to me atm.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDM764 View Post
    This is mostly why I wondered in the first place Evil I've switched to four morale, 2 damage on my spider[The 7.3kmorale/180 per tick TK]. Mostly curious as to if you had tested it and found full damage to still be most effective in 1vs1's[Which imo, it isn't anymore.] Not really playing creepside anymore, just feels too OP to me atm.
    I've fought around 30 1v1's since Mirk, lost 1 to a minstrel. Burned fellows heart after critting me for 1.4k then 1.5k then 1.2k.

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkarianor View Post
    By all means guys, continue to slot pure damage, just be aware that it's not the smartest thing to do.
    For a REAVER damage is best when you have full morale and hit a heavy freep for 500 and, 800 on non crit for damage build and even less when u have fire lore on you its just not worth it i rather hit like a truck than hit like a wet noodle plan and simple i own reavers morale build nuff said.
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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkarianor View Post
    By all means guys, continue to slot pure damage, just be aware that it's not the smartest thing to do.
    Meh...the way i look at it is like this....

    If you're a Damage class...aka reaver, warg, or blackarrow...then you trait damage because thats what your class is for. Why roll a DPS class if you don't want to do DPS? The whole point of the damage classes are to do dps....so slot dps so you can do as much as possible to increase class efficiency.

    There's no punishment for death in lotro pvp....who cares if you die because you have 1.2k less morale? if you want morale go roll a WL.
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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuc View Post
    if you want morale go roll a WL.
    Who traits morale as WL? Damage ftw!

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuc View Post
    Meh...the way i look at it is like this....

    If you're a Damage class...aka reaver, warg, or blackarrow...then you trait damage because thats what your class is for. Why roll a DPS class if you don't want to do DPS? The whole point of the damage classes are to do dps....so slot dps so you can do as much as possible to increase class efficiency.

    There's no punishment for death in lotro pvp....who cares if you die because you have 1.2k less morale? if you want morale go roll a WL.
    My following response is from a solo warg playstyle:

    No offense but that's a pretty silly way to look at it, unless like we discussed before you have healers in your group all the time. You sound like an ignorant pvper... You can't do dps if you are dead fyi. If you gain a significant gain to dps while giving up some health sure why not? If it's minimal and makes you a lot easier to kill then it just makes no sense. You have no healer, you have no backup, pots are no longer 1-2k, so why make yourself that much easier to take out? You can have constant high dps output and win 2v1s and 3v1s now with how powerful wargs are now (I don't mean against sub lvl 65s,) why gimp yourself so you can ninja a bit more infamy and kbs while goldtagging? I understand if you suck and can't play to the strengths of the easy common sense warg class but hey.....
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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.



    Pretty good Kill to KB/Inf ratio?

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    Re: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lobudek View Post
    Pretty good Kill to KB/Inf ratio?
    Meh not bad.
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    Grats on r10? Or is that an old one?
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