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    Question on moon and sun?

    I was reading some from the silmarillion and I read about the moon and the sun? Are there really living beings in them driving the moon and the sun or what? Sorry was kind of confused
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    Re: Question on moon and sun?

    From what I recall, the Sun was created from the last fruit of the golden tree of Valinor, and the moon from the last leaf of the silver tree, before they died when Ungoliante drained them. A pair of Maia spirits (or possibly Vala, I can't remember) guide them through the sky. It's a mythological story, so it can be interpreted as a metaphor, but the Valar and Maiar don't necessarily take the form of normal living beings, so this gives some flexibility in how one pictures the sun and moon.

  3. Re: Question on moon and sun?

    They are some sort of vessel, like a ship, that house the last fruits of the Two Trees, guided like a sailor would by the two Maia spirits that loved the Trees the most. So yes, the Sun isn't a star and the Moon isn't a hunk of rock.

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    Re: Question on moon and sun?

    Bear in mind that Valar and Maier are able to walk in forms unseen by the Children. There'd be no way of telling whether there was actually a Maia involved. Also, note that when Numenor was lost, the World was changed--part of that change *could* have been to the Sun and Moon.

  5. Re: Question on moon and sun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfriedpf View Post
    Bear in mind that Valar and Maier are able to walk in forms unseen by the Children. There'd be no way of telling whether there was actually a Maia involved.
    What do you mean by this? It's explicitly stated that two Maiar spirits are piloting the Sun and Moon.

    Also, note that when Numenor was lost, the World was changed--part of that change *could* have been to the Sun and Moon.
    Not really. The Earth became round. That's it. It's never stated or hinted at that the destruction of Numenor affected the Sun and Moon.

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    Re: Question on moon and sun?

    Not much different than the idea of the sun actually being a flaming charriot being driven by a god across the sky. Did the Greeks and Romans really think there was some uber man in a real charriot? Or was it accepted as a poetic device for something too hard to grasp by a mere mortal?

    Thankfully, in Tolkien you can take it literally. It really IS a world where there can be such things as a mariner in the sky or a star that was once an earthly thing - or a king who truly is taller, smarter, kinder and better than his citizenry and not only the best man for the job, but the only man.
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    Re: Question on moon and sun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arasilion View Post
    What do you mean by this? It's explicitly stated that two Maiar spirits are piloting the Sun and Moon.
    I'm saying that there may well be Maier guiding them--but they could chose to be unseen.

    Not really. The Earth became round. That's it. It's never stated or hinted at that the destruction of Numenor affected the Sun and Moon.
    No where does it say that ONLY the earth was rounded. New lands were created, old lands were lost. Aman was removed entirely. There's a lot going on by direct action by Eru. Lack of an explicit statement doesn't mean nothing else happened.

  8. Re: Question on moon and sun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfriedpf View Post
    No where does it say that ONLY the earth was rounded. New lands were created, old lands were lost. Aman was removed entirely. There's a lot going on by direct action by Eru. Lack of an explicit statement doesn't mean nothing else happened.
    It's just not well supported at all. There was no need to change the nature of the Sun and Moon.

 

 

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