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    the ring forges

    i have been thinking about something more or less random about the ring forges. were the forges them selves magical hence creating the power in the rings or was it the elves themselves that had the power to enchant(if thats a good word for it) the rings. also what happened after saruon(sauron?) made his one ring? did he distory the forges and destroy eregion? and were is there more info about eregoin and the forges? any imput is welcomed

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    The skill of the Elves "aided" by Sauron and the potency of the forges was what made the Rings of Power what they were. Celebrimbor was the chief smith. When Sauron put on his Ring for the first time, the Elves who were wearing their Rings of Power immediately sensed Sauron's purpose and took them off, thus foiling Sauron's attempts to enslave their minds.

    Enraged beyond reason, Sauron sent emissaries to Eregion, demanding their surrender of the Rings; but they refused. Sauron then proceeded to raze Eregion to the ground. Celebrimbor was slain, his body was skewered on a spear, and hoisted into battle as some sort of macabre war standard.

    I don't think Tolkien ever specifically mentioned the forges, but its safe to assume they were destroyed or fell into disuse and ruin.
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    Re: the ring forges

    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeham49 View Post
    were the forges them selves magical hence creating the power in the rings or was it the elves themselves that had the power to enchant(if thats a good word for it) the rings.
    I wouldn't say there was really anything traditionally 'magical' about the creation of the rings. Rather, they were the result of a highly refined form of craftsmanship beyond the capacity of mortals. Remember that the High Elves had the ability to exist in both the everyday, mundane world and the spirit or wraith-world. Thus, it is quite likely that they had the ability to discern within objects qualities that were otherwise unseen and to harness and enhance these properties through their craftsmanship to produce items of power that could only be described as 'magical' by unenlightened mortals. Regardless, the power of the rings seems to have been a product not of the forges, but of those using the forges. It is as Arasilion stated:
    Quote Originally Posted by Arasilion View Post
    The skill of the Elves "aided" by Sauron and the potency of the forges was what made the Rings of Power what they were.
    Keep in mind that the rings were made through the combined efforts of the Noldor and Sauron (in his guise as Annatar). The Noldor had grown great in their knowledge and skill under the tutelage of the Valar. In particular, they held the favor of Aulë, the smith of the Valar, through whom they grew wise in the making of things. Sauron, himself, was a wise and capable craftsman, having orginated as a Maia of Aulë. Thus, the forging of the rings mark one of the greatest collaborations of craftsmanship in the history of Arda; it really is no surprise, then, that the results were perceived as 'magical'.
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    Re: the ring forges

    Regardless, the power of the rings seems to have been a product not of the forges, but of those using the forges. It is as Arasilion stated:Keep in mind that the rings were made through the combined efforts of the Noldor and Sauron (in his guise as Annatar). The Noldor had grown great in their knowledge and skill under the tutelage of the Valar. In particular, they held the favor of Aulë, the smith of the Valar, through whom they grew wise in the making of things. Sauron, himself, was a wise and capable craftsman, having orginated as a Maia of Aulë. Thus, the forging of the rings mark one of the greatest collaborations of craftsmanship in the history of Arda; it really is no surprise, then, that the results were perceived as 'magical'.[/QUOTE]

    I thought that the 3 Elven Rings were the ones that Sauron had no part in making, and that was why he couldn't dominate those who used them

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolveryne View Post
    I thought that the 3 Elven Rings were the ones that Sauron had no part in making, and that was why he couldn't dominate those who used them
    The Three Elven Rings, in particular, were made by Celebrimbor, however, they were still forged using knowledge obtained from Annatar (Sauron).
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    from what i have heard/read, sauron did not have a part in the making of the three elven rings. also when sauron made his one ring, the smith was aware of his intentions and treachery imediately and was able to help hide the three before they were found.
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    so could someone like elrond craft his own ring with out getting corrupted by saurons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeham49 View Post
    so could someone like elrond craft his own ring with out getting corrupted by saurons?
    No. The Elves without Sauron could never have crafted a Ring of Power. Besides, not every Elf is born with the ability to smith things.

    Even Saruman's mock "Ring of Power" was made through his extensive research of Eregion ring-lore....and that goes back to Sauron as well.
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